The decline really is horrifying. And the second chart suggests it’s at least not about how much time is spent online. That doesn’t mean it isn’t online content, though. Those spending less time could be spending a lot of it on women-hating content. What we need is a comparison of views of boys who watch this shit versus those who don’t. If we don’t get to the bottom of this, millions of boys will turn into millions of shitty voters and trump will be just the beginning….
What happens when ur parents vote for a guy who calls women dogs on national TV
Do you have the data on girls?
I wonder what the results are among girls same age.
I’m a progressive, who genuinely hopes to see more fairness across the board, and firmly believes that systemic power unbalances across demographic groups is deeply unhelpful in the long run.
That said, “feminism” has been co-opted by an enormous cohort of bandwagoning, reductionist online commentators who seem to hold that women are perennial and universal victims of men, who are universally perpetrators of all their ills.
I’m old enough to simply ignore it. But, a young person with less life experience may well be tired of being incorrectly condemned, and “pendulum swing” to some pretty unsavory red pill type bullshit.
With the redpill crap and gamer gate…is this a surprise? Andrew Tate fanboys and all that other crap.
Well, data also shows that inclusivity programs unequally benefitted upper middle class white women and not the intended groups, so i can see where this is coming from, briefly working in academia admin staff in the past.
Anybody have any information on the sample size and frame?
Is it that young boys are learning misogyny somewhere, or that they’re not learning healthy mindsets? The media shames men all the time for things, but there are very few resources for men: low % of male teachers, no men’s groups like reading clubs or support groups, and very few media content that lifts men up like we see for women. I’m sure a lot of young boys feel rightfully disadvantaged. We need to consider the messages that are being sent out.
Perhaps they’re learning that gender equality isn’t about equity, but giving one gender an advantage over the other
I have female friends that openly state that if we were to both interview for the same job, and we’re both equally qualified, she should get the job because she’s female
We believe in equality of opportunity, but that’s twisted to equality of outcome – quite different
Edit: it’s too complex an issue to explain well in a few sentences, so I won’t try. IMHO, the data shows pushback from “equality” delivering something entirely different from what was promised
I don’t personally know anyone in the western world that thinks women shouldn’t have equal opportunities and all fathers I know want the best for their daughters
However, I personally know a few from other cultures that have a different perspective
One KEY difference is that around 2019 half of the schools surveyed started responding on tablets as opposed to a paper. 2020 onwards it was entirely a web based survey.
From those who have experienced the pendulum swinging the other direction to benefiting, almost exclusively, girls in education and positions in universities and college..
Why the surprise that those who don’t benefit wouldn’t be benevolent towards those who do?
Wasn’t this one of the main starting points for feminism; equality in education?
To swing from one direction, to the other, seemingly skipping over egalitarianism in the process.
Could be coincidence that Andrew Tate found fertile ground in boys/young men but his message has never been so far reaching, nor was it as recent as the chart shows.
Could some of those saying no just think these are poorly worded questions? I would guess that if you added “A man and woman with the same abilities” to the question that would significantly change the results.
Funny how the men who are more online or more lonely (basically the types of men online feminists like to crap on all the time for being dangerous or misogynist) are actually more sympathetic to feminist beliefs.
Was there any significance testing for inference done on these differences or is this just showing the sample results?
Young people watch 4 hours of video every day? How do they have the time?
Why is “completely disagree” “disagree at all” or “don’t know” not displayed?*
*I haven’t looked into the data, but normally these surveys offer some kind of neutral answer as well as mirrored disagreement options
When I was in school in the seventies, they told us girls could do anything boys could do and that we had equal value, I thought about it a second, said “OK,” and that’s been my position ever since.
Murica is speed running to the dark ages
I have my doubts about how accurate this really is. You’re asking children on top of that. Views change as we get older. And this data isn’t beautiful.
Guess the decline of America is across the board.
who the fuck thinks any human deserves less money for doing the same work. what the fuck is the logic behind that? sorry for my french
I would love to see responses to the question “Why?” For the boys who said no.
It’s interesting that the blog post finds that the only data that actually correlates with the drop is religiousness
how the flying fuck are they collecting this data? smells like horseshit to me. an actual peer reviewed citation would be nice.
Well the way it is worded; some of these people may have thought that women should have more opportunities or should make more than men. Pretty backwards thinking on the surveyors for assuming that.
Is there anywhere we can see how this question was phrased to them? As someone who worked with boys around this age (summer camp program), I find it difficult to really trust their sincerity when responding to a question like this. They love being “shocking” and “different”, and they know what the expected answer is, so I’m just having a hard time accepting that a significant portion of this are purposeful “negative” answers to the question.
Well I invite all women to go check out skilled trades for those sick paychecks men be getting.
I did not expect to start my day on data is depressing.
Why does this data coincide with the start of the pandemic? That’s such an odd coincidence
![[OC] Fewer American boys are supporting gender equality](https://www.europesays.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/ckbx0i06sjye1.jpg)
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The data source is the Monitoring the Future survey of 8th and 12th graders, [public use data available here](https://www.icpsr.umich.edu/web/peersdatahub/series/35).
Tools used are R and d3.js.
Full [blog post with many more charts is available here](https://blog.waldrn.com/p/american-boys-have-become-less-supportive).
Oh my, that country is going down.
The decline really is horrifying. And the second chart suggests it’s at least not about how much time is spent online. That doesn’t mean it isn’t online content, though. Those spending less time could be spending a lot of it on women-hating content. What we need is a comparison of views of boys who watch this shit versus those who don’t. If we don’t get to the bottom of this, millions of boys will turn into millions of shitty voters and trump will be just the beginning….
What happens when ur parents vote for a guy who calls women dogs on national TV
Do you have the data on girls?
I wonder what the results are among girls same age.
I’m a progressive, who genuinely hopes to see more fairness across the board, and firmly believes that systemic power unbalances across demographic groups is deeply unhelpful in the long run.
That said, “feminism” has been co-opted by an enormous cohort of bandwagoning, reductionist online commentators who seem to hold that women are perennial and universal victims of men, who are universally perpetrators of all their ills.
I’m old enough to simply ignore it. But, a young person with less life experience may well be tired of being incorrectly condemned, and “pendulum swing” to some pretty unsavory red pill type bullshit.
With the redpill crap and gamer gate…is this a surprise? Andrew Tate fanboys and all that other crap.
Well, data also shows that inclusivity programs unequally benefitted upper middle class white women and not the intended groups, so i can see where this is coming from, briefly working in academia admin staff in the past.
Anybody have any information on the sample size and frame?
Is it that young boys are learning misogyny somewhere, or that they’re not learning healthy mindsets? The media shames men all the time for things, but there are very few resources for men: low % of male teachers, no men’s groups like reading clubs or support groups, and very few media content that lifts men up like we see for women. I’m sure a lot of young boys feel rightfully disadvantaged. We need to consider the messages that are being sent out.
Perhaps they’re learning that gender equality isn’t about equity, but giving one gender an advantage over the other
I have female friends that openly state that if we were to both interview for the same job, and we’re both equally qualified, she should get the job because she’s female
We believe in equality of opportunity, but that’s twisted to equality of outcome – quite different
Edit: it’s too complex an issue to explain well in a few sentences, so I won’t try. IMHO, the data shows pushback from “equality” delivering something entirely different from what was promised
I don’t personally know anyone in the western world that thinks women shouldn’t have equal opportunities and all fathers I know want the best for their daughters
However, I personally know a few from other cultures that have a different perspective
One KEY difference is that around 2019 half of the schools surveyed started responding on tablets as opposed to a paper. 2020 onwards it was entirely a web based survey.
From those who have experienced the pendulum swinging the other direction to benefiting, almost exclusively, girls in education and positions in universities and college..
Why the surprise that those who don’t benefit wouldn’t be benevolent towards those who do?
Wasn’t this one of the main starting points for feminism; equality in education?
To swing from one direction, to the other, seemingly skipping over egalitarianism in the process.
Could be coincidence that Andrew Tate found fertile ground in boys/young men but his message has never been so far reaching, nor was it as recent as the chart shows.
Could some of those saying no just think these are poorly worded questions? I would guess that if you added “A man and woman with the same abilities” to the question that would significantly change the results.
Funny how the men who are more online or more lonely (basically the types of men online feminists like to crap on all the time for being dangerous or misogynist) are actually more sympathetic to feminist beliefs.
Was there any significance testing for inference done on these differences or is this just showing the sample results?
Young people watch 4 hours of video every day? How do they have the time?
Why is “completely disagree” “disagree at all” or “don’t know” not displayed?*
*I haven’t looked into the data, but normally these surveys offer some kind of neutral answer as well as mirrored disagreement options
When I was in school in the seventies, they told us girls could do anything boys could do and that we had equal value, I thought about it a second, said “OK,” and that’s been my position ever since.
Murica is speed running to the dark ages
I have my doubts about how accurate this really is. You’re asking children on top of that. Views change as we get older. And this data isn’t beautiful.
Guess the decline of America is across the board.
who the fuck thinks any human deserves less money for doing the same work. what the fuck is the logic behind that? sorry for my french
I would love to see responses to the question “Why?” For the boys who said no.
It’s interesting that the blog post finds that the only data that actually correlates with the drop is religiousness
how the flying fuck are they collecting this data? smells like horseshit to me. an actual peer reviewed citation would be nice.
Well the way it is worded; some of these people may have thought that women should have more opportunities or should make more than men. Pretty backwards thinking on the surveyors for assuming that.
Is there anywhere we can see how this question was phrased to them? As someone who worked with boys around this age (summer camp program), I find it difficult to really trust their sincerity when responding to a question like this. They love being “shocking” and “different”, and they know what the expected answer is, so I’m just having a hard time accepting that a significant portion of this are purposeful “negative” answers to the question.
Well I invite all women to go check out skilled trades for those sick paychecks men be getting.
I did not expect to start my day on data is depressing.
Why does this data coincide with the start of the pandemic? That’s such an odd coincidence
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