Let’s be honest. We might be related,but we don’t really get along.
Nice of them to realise the economic damage it’d do to Ireland.
Maybe once they have their own functioning economy they can reconsider.
Many probably have a point
They have a great thing going on now because of Brexit, if they are happy out, leave them to it.
I’d say Northern Ireland gets far more in the budget than the likes of Newcastle and Liverpool etc. I’m suprised most Northern English people arnt going mad that the Northern Irish get everything and they get F all.
I’d be disgusted myself if Ireland has some little territory somewhere and they were funding it like crazy with a big bloated public service just to keep everyone in a job while I was walking around Jeremy Kyle style and whenever I seen them on the news they were rioting.
Surely the likes of Tommy Robinson has atleast once demanded that the Northern Irish had border checks?
Imagine you were someone living in the North with a health problem. Would you really want to go from the NHS to the bloody HSE?
Not wrong
Economically unification doesnt make sense for either side.
Northern Ireland gets higher taxes and worse services.
Ireland gets an economic black hole that hoovers up huge amounts of resources.
We should probably fix the aul healthcare before a border poll
Can still buy a house up here in Belfast for dirt cheap compared to dublin
Interesting that they think a far-right Tory-dominated UK is a recipe for a fairer country than our centrist parties.
77% of people know that statistics are made up
(Sorry, I had to do it)
Well, the North is the begging bowl of the UK.
Northern Ireland is a unicorn of an economy. It’s has the best of all worlds.
It has enormous weakness such as it’s heavily subsidized. (I’m sure it’s no where what it was and apologies but I don’t have any figures I only know of a massive area of the economy that is the envy of the whole world and is very heavily subsidized).
If they United with Ireland they would only be like cork and Munster. Not being flippant, but they are their own capital city and all that at the moment.
They get massive subsidy there by UK – there are so many projects funded basically just on the basis that they don’t kill each other. I believe a United Ireland would be an intolerable burden on ROI. It is not a self sufficient state and the cost for policing/ security alone is eye watering for any civilised state.
All of this is of no use… What’s a united Ireland? The 6 joins the 26 and that’s it?? Pointless nonsense.
Big discussion needs to be given on everything, this is a opportunity to create a brand new country within the EU. This should be the united Ireland discussed and I would bet a type of NHS would be one of the core pillars.
The NHS would be absolutely a dealbreaker for most people.
Free universal healthcare, who would give that up??
If Ireland had a similar system, then the numbers would be far different.
It cost the U.K. taxpayer £20 billion pounds a year for the basic upkeep of Northern Ireland……The irish Government cant even look after us. Go figure
It would have to be a new country with new rules Not the right of center system inherited from Catholicism. Maybe more like Germany or France.
Look at the demographics
* 35.8% would vote for a united ireland = republicans
* 45% would NOT vote for a united ireland = hardline unionists
* 19.3% neither agree or disagree = neutral, in the middle. No extreme views. These people are dangerous to unionists. They WILL vote for a united ireland if the circumstances are right. They will listen to reason. They’ll join in the debate and keep an open mind.
55% of the population is *open* to the idea of a united ireland *given the right circumstances*. This isn’t good news for unionists. It’s the beginning of the end.
To be fair they are right.
On the plus side, a united Ireland would make all of the bigoted Loyalist assholes up here explode in fury and I would very much like to see the grin wiped off of the faces of the DUP.
On the *other* hand, I’d rather have the NHS than… *paying for healthcare.*
Not surprised tbh. Imaging going from the NHS to the HSE
Doesn’t mean that much because the real debate, and campaigning hasn’t really started yet.
Look at Scottish Independence polling in 2013, a year before the referendum. Rarely goes above 30%, mostly mid 20s. As soon as the referendum gets approved and the debate actually begins, those numbers shoot up very rapidly.
The same will be true here in the North, although I don’t think it will be quite so dramatic as it was in Scotland.
When the time actually comes, whatever the results are, it’ll be something like 48-52, either way. It’ll be close.
Source?
Could someone send a link to this study? I’m wondering how it was conducted, who was asked, how many people answered, on what platform were the votes gathered, etc.
This poll has a lot of negatively worded questions which would certainly have influenced the responses to the other questions. Going by this chart they asked “Do you agree or disagree that a United Ireland would lead to a lower standard of public services” before they asked “Do you agree or disagree that you would vote for a United Ireland in 15-20 years.” Anyone who cares about access to public services would be influenced to vote disagree.
A new state with minority rights enshrined in the constitution, better political representation for the North therefore greater determination of meaningful policy decisions and greater democratic freedom and less tribal political leanings, a functioning healthcare system, universal income for artists, public ownership of the means of production, a meaningful re-population of native plant species, phasing out all fossil fuels for clean green energy, meaningful revitalisation of the Irish language and its dialects, a policy of non-coercive humanitarian aid for developing areas across the globe, no state commitment to any chauvinistic ideologies. idk, call me a utopian but I think that’s more likely to happen in an Ireland entirely removed from global imperial powers than one segmented and partially controlled by Westminster’s Anglo-centric policy machine.
Northerner here, I’m going to need a source on this. Not saying it’s seems a bit off, but it feels a bit off.
Who did the poll? It could be the bloody UVF for all we know.
Those seem like some negatively biased questions.
Where’s the “Would you vote for a United Ireland if it would mean remaining a part of the EU?” type of questions?
I’ve multiple health problems, I take a lot of meds daily. It’s my only issue with a United Ireland. I’m barely getting by on benefits, I can’t work so I wouldn’t be able to pay insurance. It’s the reason my parents have qualms about it, they don’t want to see me with more to pay.
This doesn’t make sense. All this shows is a huge starting point a vote on UI would bring. That’s 1 in 3 saying yes despite knowing feck all about a UI. It just means turning heads in a lot of don’t knows with actual details. What happens if a UI does t forecast a financial doom and gloom? What happens in 5 years when Stormonts money is tied up by a collapsed government?
My job entails a substantial amount of research using polls, surveys, questionnaires etc, one of the fundamentals is to not introduce bias with your questions – so in that respect, this is a bullshit poll, there’s a lot of negatively worded questions which could’ve potentially lead and influenced participants.
That said, there needs to be a huge amount of work done to sell a UI, but even more work to make it actually viable.
They said the same about East Germany. Still didn’t stop it. They’re fighting the tide in Northern Ireland.
Nothing says thoroughly researched statistics than an uncredited infographic.
This can’t be right. Like, at all.
Those polls could easily shift in 5 to 10 years. All it would take is a couple more years of shite. It’s closer than we think. I am 100% certain that there will be a united Ireland in my lifetime, and I’m no die hard Republican. Its . . . Inevitable . . .
I’ve lived north and south both bad but at least u can see a gp in dub. But the nhs is gone fucked. I’d rather be in a united Ireland than pissed on by the Tories. The housing crisis in the south is a big one .
Tbh that’s what I would expect, I lived up there long enough to know.
The reliance on public sector jobs and government subsidies is crazy up North way way worse than down here, all I can say if the UK wasn’t pumping so much money into the North it would be like Mad Max right now 🤣.
Realistically I haven’t had an issue with the north the way it is, no hard boarder free travel there and back, cheap alcohol, cheap medication, etc…. Also we keep the crazy unionists and Orange order up there and out of the our hair. Trust me you don’t want those Morons having a reason to come down south.
When Ireland dose unite and it will may not be my life time, but it will happen I am hopping for a Hong Kong handover situation without the hole hostile takeover like China did recently of course 😂.
I think a quick read of this might change some peoples minds “€10.8 billion) in 2019 – merely reflect the North’s annual budget deficit” while the here in the ROI our yearly budget has never come near a quarter of that. This is the difference between an over reaching socialist government up north and a moderate capitalist government down south. As I said when the north dose not have that UK safe net they will crash instantly take us with them under a united Ireland.
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[Source](https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2022/04/05/news/nationalists-urged-not-to-be-disheartened-by-poll-support-for-united-ireland-2633602/) is a poll by the Institute of Irish Studies-University of Liverpool and The Irish News
Let’s be honest. We might be related,but we don’t really get along.
Nice of them to realise the economic damage it’d do to Ireland.
Maybe once they have their own functioning economy they can reconsider.
Many probably have a point
They have a great thing going on now because of Brexit, if they are happy out, leave them to it.
I’d say Northern Ireland gets far more in the budget than the likes of Newcastle and Liverpool etc. I’m suprised most Northern English people arnt going mad that the Northern Irish get everything and they get F all.
I’d be disgusted myself if Ireland has some little territory somewhere and they were funding it like crazy with a big bloated public service just to keep everyone in a job while I was walking around Jeremy Kyle style and whenever I seen them on the news they were rioting.
Surely the likes of Tommy Robinson has atleast once demanded that the Northern Irish had border checks?
Imagine you were someone living in the North with a health problem. Would you really want to go from the NHS to the bloody HSE?
Not wrong
Economically unification doesnt make sense for either side.
Northern Ireland gets higher taxes and worse services.
Ireland gets an economic black hole that hoovers up huge amounts of resources.
We should probably fix the aul healthcare before a border poll
Can still buy a house up here in Belfast for dirt cheap compared to dublin
Interesting that they think a far-right Tory-dominated UK is a recipe for a fairer country than our centrist parties.
77% of people know that statistics are made up
(Sorry, I had to do it)
Well, the North is the begging bowl of the UK.
Northern Ireland is a unicorn of an economy. It’s has the best of all worlds.
It has enormous weakness such as it’s heavily subsidized. (I’m sure it’s no where what it was and apologies but I don’t have any figures I only know of a massive area of the economy that is the envy of the whole world and is very heavily subsidized).
If they United with Ireland they would only be like cork and Munster. Not being flippant, but they are their own capital city and all that at the moment.
They get massive subsidy there by UK – there are so many projects funded basically just on the basis that they don’t kill each other. I believe a United Ireland would be an intolerable burden on ROI. It is not a self sufficient state and the cost for policing/ security alone is eye watering for any civilised state.
All of this is of no use… What’s a united Ireland? The 6 joins the 26 and that’s it?? Pointless nonsense.
Big discussion needs to be given on everything, this is a opportunity to create a brand new country within the EU. This should be the united Ireland discussed and I would bet a type of NHS would be one of the core pillars.
The NHS would be absolutely a dealbreaker for most people.
Free universal healthcare, who would give that up??
If Ireland had a similar system, then the numbers would be far different.
It cost the U.K. taxpayer £20 billion pounds a year for the basic upkeep of Northern Ireland……The irish Government cant even look after us. Go figure
It would have to be a new country with new rules Not the right of center system inherited from Catholicism. Maybe more like Germany or France.
Look at the demographics
* 35.8% would vote for a united ireland = republicans
* 45% would NOT vote for a united ireland = hardline unionists
* 19.3% neither agree or disagree = neutral, in the middle. No extreme views. These people are dangerous to unionists. They WILL vote for a united ireland if the circumstances are right. They will listen to reason. They’ll join in the debate and keep an open mind.
55% of the population is *open* to the idea of a united ireland *given the right circumstances*. This isn’t good news for unionists. It’s the beginning of the end.
To be fair they are right.
On the plus side, a united Ireland would make all of the bigoted Loyalist assholes up here explode in fury and I would very much like to see the grin wiped off of the faces of the DUP.
On the *other* hand, I’d rather have the NHS than… *paying for healthcare.*
Not surprised tbh. Imaging going from the NHS to the HSE
Doesn’t mean that much because the real debate, and campaigning hasn’t really started yet.
Look at Scottish Independence polling in 2013, a year before the referendum. Rarely goes above 30%, mostly mid 20s. As soon as the referendum gets approved and the debate actually begins, those numbers shoot up very rapidly.
The same will be true here in the North, although I don’t think it will be quite so dramatic as it was in Scotland.
When the time actually comes, whatever the results are, it’ll be something like 48-52, either way. It’ll be close.
Source?
Could someone send a link to this study? I’m wondering how it was conducted, who was asked, how many people answered, on what platform were the votes gathered, etc.
This poll has a lot of negatively worded questions which would certainly have influenced the responses to the other questions. Going by this chart they asked “Do you agree or disagree that a United Ireland would lead to a lower standard of public services” before they asked “Do you agree or disagree that you would vote for a United Ireland in 15-20 years.” Anyone who cares about access to public services would be influenced to vote disagree.
A new state with minority rights enshrined in the constitution, better political representation for the North therefore greater determination of meaningful policy decisions and greater democratic freedom and less tribal political leanings, a functioning healthcare system, universal income for artists, public ownership of the means of production, a meaningful re-population of native plant species, phasing out all fossil fuels for clean green energy, meaningful revitalisation of the Irish language and its dialects, a policy of non-coercive humanitarian aid for developing areas across the globe, no state commitment to any chauvinistic ideologies. idk, call me a utopian but I think that’s more likely to happen in an Ireland entirely removed from global imperial powers than one segmented and partially controlled by Westminster’s Anglo-centric policy machine.
Northerner here, I’m going to need a source on this. Not saying it’s seems a bit off, but it feels a bit off.
Who did the poll? It could be the bloody UVF for all we know.
Those seem like some negatively biased questions.
Where’s the “Would you vote for a United Ireland if it would mean remaining a part of the EU?” type of questions?
I’ve multiple health problems, I take a lot of meds daily. It’s my only issue with a United Ireland. I’m barely getting by on benefits, I can’t work so I wouldn’t be able to pay insurance. It’s the reason my parents have qualms about it, they don’t want to see me with more to pay.
This doesn’t make sense. All this shows is a huge starting point a vote on UI would bring. That’s 1 in 3 saying yes despite knowing feck all about a UI. It just means turning heads in a lot of don’t knows with actual details. What happens if a UI does t forecast a financial doom and gloom? What happens in 5 years when Stormonts money is tied up by a collapsed government?
My job entails a substantial amount of research using polls, surveys, questionnaires etc, one of the fundamentals is to not introduce bias with your questions – so in that respect, this is a bullshit poll, there’s a lot of negatively worded questions which could’ve potentially lead and influenced participants.
That said, there needs to be a huge amount of work done to sell a UI, but even more work to make it actually viable.
They said the same about East Germany. Still didn’t stop it. They’re fighting the tide in Northern Ireland.
Nothing says thoroughly researched statistics than an uncredited infographic.
This can’t be right. Like, at all.
Those polls could easily shift in 5 to 10 years. All it would take is a couple more years of shite. It’s closer than we think. I am 100% certain that there will be a united Ireland in my lifetime, and I’m no die hard Republican. Its . . . Inevitable . . .
I’ve lived north and south both bad but at least u can see a gp in dub. But the nhs is gone fucked. I’d rather be in a united Ireland than pissed on by the Tories. The housing crisis in the south is a big one .
Tbh that’s what I would expect, I lived up there long enough to know.
The reliance on public sector jobs and government subsidies is crazy up North way way worse than down here, all I can say if the UK wasn’t pumping so much money into the North it would be like Mad Max right now 🤣.
Realistically I haven’t had an issue with the north the way it is, no hard boarder free travel there and back, cheap alcohol, cheap medication, etc…. Also we keep the crazy unionists and Orange order up there and out of the our hair. Trust me you don’t want those Morons having a reason to come down south.
When Ireland dose unite and it will may not be my life time, but it will happen I am hopping for a Hong Kong handover situation without the hole hostile takeover like China did recently of course 😂.
I think a quick read of this might change some peoples minds “€10.8 billion) in 2019 – merely reflect the North’s annual budget deficit” while the here in the ROI our yearly budget has never come near a quarter of that. This is the difference between an over reaching socialist government up north and a moderate capitalist government down south. As I said when the north dose not have that UK safe net they will crash instantly take us with them under a united Ireland.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/northern-ireland-s-9-4bn-subvention-and-the-cost-of-irish-unity-1.4553553