Genuinely, what is it they have to offer specific to Scotland that I’m not seeing?

by Scotty_flag_guy

36 comments
  1. They seem to rally for the ‘good old days’ of Britain, where there was no people of colour and men worked hard (not from home) while women slaved away in the kitchen. It’s all a total nonsense fantasy. But people seem to buy it, worryingly.

  2. The offer very little to us up here… unless you really have strong opinions on flags!

    They also agree with fracking, environmental deregulation and Nigel loves Trump and Elon.

  3. Will never understand why the elderly generations are frothing at the mouth over the nostalgia of war time Britain

  4. I don’t think they even know the difference between devolved and reserved, they certainly didn’t know the limits of a Mayor.

  5. They have nothing to offer anyone anywhere and now they have a little power their incompetence will be on display

  6. No party that’s “X for Scotland” is doing anything for Scotland

  7. They want to reverse devolution, any Scottish person that votes for them is a moron

  8. They’re just a nucleus for the worst parts of British nationalism to coalesce around. Hence why they’re mostly feeding off the Tory vote, and to a lesser extent the Labour vote. The irony is that it’ll just fracture the unionist vote and provide the SNP another term in power. Parliamentary unionism is absolutely screwed if it ends up with a permanent 4 party split.

    I guess, what we can say is that, with Reform and Alba on the scene, we can at least see the hard-right part of Scottish society in the light of day. They won’t be able to pick away at their old parties from the inside.

  9. They have nothing to offer anyone, nevermind Scotland. They’re the political equivalent of a wee dog that tries to hump a slipper or an old teddy. Farage used to walk about singing Hitler youth songs FFS. You’d think after Brexit everyone would realise he’s a twat, but people are stupid now it seems.

  10. Scotland really doesn’t have any genuinely nasty, racist parties. Reform gives a home to those Scots who may wish to dabble in such things.

  11. Absolutely hee-fucking-haw. Let’s not forget they are run by a poisonous leach who abandoned his first political party after they got EXACTLY what he wanted, out of the EU. He’s a pathetic excuse for a man and it amazes me that a man with hands as soft as his and an untested work ethic, has blue collar workers all saying “he totally speaks for me”

  12. Tax cuts.

    Fracking,

    Pro nuclear,

    Anti ‘green’.

    Cutting the ‘scottish’ foreign aid budget.

    I think they are the only party which would remove the current discrimination in the appointment to public boards. 

    I also think they are the only party proposing root and branch restructuring of our public architecture – which I think is their only fair point.

    Scotgov currently uses this byzantine combination of Directorates- government departments analogous to ministries and an extensive system of Quangos which were inherited from the old Scotland Office and which descend from the Victorian system.

    The Quangos then further delegate work to NGOs etc.

    The directorates have slowly grown in number over the years and are used to provide sinecures for party loyalists in Holyrood and are the carrot in scotgovs whip system.

    As a result there is a lot of crossover, redundancy and waste.

    For example- who is in charge of the health of the sea eagle population?

    The Rural Economy Directorate, the Enviroment and Forestry Directorate or the Marine Directorate?

    A: None of the above, they are governed by the quango NatureScot instead.

    You can do this for a whole host of issues and topics:

    there are 5 directorates which handle personnel and appointments, together with various Quangos which do the same for specific offices

    There are 6 different financial directorates, 10 health directorates, 6 focussed on public sector reforms, 3 foreign affairs directorates, 3 education directorates, etc etc.

    In total there are 40 Directorates and 132 Quangos. Reform are the only party I have heard talk about this. Although crucially they haven’t  specified *how* they will simplify the system.

    It’s a shame because there are serious structural problems with both how Scotland is governed and how our economy functions but I have 0 confidence in a faragist party being able to deal with them- he walked away from UKIP when things got difficult and watched that party implode. I absolutely believe he will do the same to Reform.

  13. Being that they’ve never published a Holyrood manifesto I have to go with… I have no idea.

    It’ll definitely be interesting to see what a party whose message is 95% “less immigration” will have in a manifesto for a Parliament with no control over immigration.

  14. I think what they offer is more general than people realise – the antidote to wokeness. Please tell me if you disagree.

    So many people who’d otherwise vote for Labour or SNP feel that they are seen as racist or transphobes or whatever and they blame “woke” for that.

    They think they are hated, cancelled, whatever. Then Fartage etc tell them they’re right and that the wokes are killing their country and it chimes with what they’ve felt for ages.

    I think people will put up with whatever Reform do because they think:
    There are only two genders, end of
    Muslim immigration is bad
    Net zero is bad for economy

    And they’ve been made to feel like pariahs for thinking that. A lot of people you know will feel that way.

    Note: I do not share any of those beliefs, it’s just what I think others feel

  15. I’m not saying you should vote for Reform or that their platform suits Scots, but putting that aside, do you really think it’s wise to wait for the negative effects of mass migration instead of trying to prevent them when you have the chance?

    I’m pro-immigration. It brings benefits. But it must be managed. Adding a city’s worth of people every year without a plan causes problems like rent spikes, especially when media, councils and government avoid acknowledging issues for fear of backlash.

    In Scotland, people act morally superior about immigration. I used to as well, until I moved to a part of England that has undergone a transformation due to unmanaged migration. Some areas are lawless, with ghettoisation rather than integration due to the speed and scale of change. Scots love being contrarian to England, but if you lived somewhere with rates of migration in many parts of England you wouldn’t be so smug. Like so many English did at the council elections likely vote for any party that promised to deal with it.

    Unmanaged migration in England is fuelling division and unrest. Riots like last summer won’t be a one-off. One violent incident could spark retaliation. If you think this can continue for another decade or two without spiralling, I think you’re being naive.

    It scares me when you have politicians like Swinney, Yousaf and Sarwar who seem to openly want to follow in the footsteps of Boris by overseeing a massive demographic change for Scotland just because they think it makes them look good. It will end in tears.I have no hope that it will happen, but Scotland needs a party with a sensible approach to migration, one that uses it as a way to benefit the country, not just a chance to posture against England and show how morally superior we are at the expense of our safety, culture and prosperity.

  16. They appeal to the kind of Unionist who wants to see an end to devolution. It’s a valid position, just a wrong one imo.

    Some of their policies look good on paper, but as has been proven with the Brexit bus shite, that melted candle of a man can’t be trusted to promise _anything_

    They base their policy in Immigration, tax and “economy”

    Their immigration policy is totally the opposite of what Scotland needs. They want to create a hostile environment for potential immigrants, and we need to encourage skilled migration to Scotland to help an aging population. People have bought the “country’s full” story hook line and sinker here, and it doesn’t need to be based off facts to be successful.

    They’d raise the income tax allowance to £20,000 in England, and I presume they’d promise the same in Scotland if they got the chance, but like I’ve said before…you can’t trust Farage’s word and he’s proven that. The tax reform is needed and an attractive policy, as HMRC is currently functioning partially a racket to keep the ruling classes exactly that, but we don’t need Reform to achieve that change.

    They want to revitalise the economy by leaning on ripping up environmental legislation and returning to “drill baby drill” in the North Sea (that might be attractive to people in the North East) but then transitioning to nuclear energy and using that as a clean alternative. Add the transition to mixed renewable/nuclear energy and you have the most sensible energy policy of all the major parties. It’s so close to a good policy it’s almost impressive. But again, it’s Farage saying it and we can’t trust him.

  17. Had a “debate” with someone on YouTube when the first reform mp got voted in who was saying “well done England, Scotland to follow, if we don’t we’re doomed” and after asking why he just says “it’s the only party right”. I don’t know if he means it’s the only far right party or just blind loyalty but either way it’s hard to debate with idiots. That and mentioning the Glasgow housing crisis but after explaining the 10 other things causing it he just fucked off. Get the feeling if you want reform in Scotland it’s only cause “foreign = bad” mindset

  18. i don’t like reform but do you honestly think that migration only impacts the south of england, or that refugees arriving in Kent are irrelevant to Scotland?

  19. The retired people out bidding locals for homes in Highlands and Islands probably?

    Though why they fear immigrants in Skye when they are basically immigrants is mind boggling?

  20. Outside of the 20k tax allowance? Not much. There manifesto is pretty crap.

    It’s mostly cut aid here and there, fuck off windmills and solar in place for new gas licenses and fracking, small nuclear reactors (untested, but does have merit)…
    The school policies is a joke.

    For example if you learn something bad about the Uk you must learn something bad about another country… I mean.. sure that’s fair but why is that emphasised?

    Self reflection is pretty healthy in history you got to take the good with the bad.

    Anyway, half baked manifesto at best. Some small parts appeal, the rest is just a red-herring

  21. We must spread the cultural enrichment and diversity to every part of Scotland and the Highlands no matter how remote!

  22. An opportunity to be openly racist in a group setting.

  23. Wait are we pretending various “migrants” don’t cause issues here?

  24. Opportunist politicians the chance to ride on racism to a cushty job role

  25. As per their policies:

    Self-reliance on fossil fuels would create hundreds if not thousands of new jobs in Scotland.

    Higher income tax threshold, meaning lower paid folks pay £1500 less per year.

    Focus on NHS with target to remove waiting lists.

    Scrap energy levies and save each household £500 in bills.

  26. Stop trans perverts coming into the wimmins toilets to molest them, ban spending on DEI, get rid of wokeness, send the brown people home…. oh yeah and Heil Donald.

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