Perhaps I’m in the minority here but I really feel like this should be outside the EU’s remit. It’s meant to be an economic trading bloc, not a moral and social union too
I support the EU but this is overreach.
>The state has also been told that it must implement legislation against the denial, condoning of and gross trivialisation of international crimes and the Holocaust. The Commission has threatened legal action if the necessary measures are not implemented.
So I assume VDL is in trouble for her support of people wanted for war crimes?
Don’t agree with this
“as well as the conducts of condoning, denial, and gross trivialisation of international crimes and the Holocaust.”
Fuck off. These were removed from last years legislation for a reason.
Why is an economic Union imposing moral standards on its member states?
And this article as well. Starts off mentioning our hate speech laws were opposed by ‘far-right agitators’. Planting that seed in your head before also letting you know it was opposed by the council of civil liberties.
No. I don’t want our country to have the same kind of laws France and Germany target pro-Palestine protesters with.
This is very authoritarian from the eu imo
This won’t be used to tackle actual racists and fascists. It’ll be used against critics of the genocide of Palestinians. Frau Genocide Ursula would sooner back Israel over Ireland.
Great, in 5 years I’ll be locked up because I posted a meme about a politician. They just hate speech full stop
It’s crazy how open they are about censorship these days, the way things are these days what’s normal speech one day is hate speech the next depending on current political situations.
Yet again the Fourth Reich try to tell other countries what to do
How does the trivializing of genocide law work with disputed ones like the Armenian genocide?
Also why can’t they just fuck off and leave us alone. We don’t bother anyone
To be honest the idea of the EU having a say in implementation of hate speech laws is a bit worrying, especially when you consider the Germans take on what defines antisemitism
Criticism of Israel would be deemed “hate speech”. Like it already is in other countries!
Criticism of -or simply noticing Genocide, the butchering tens of thousands of children, torture, &ape/ organ harvesting of prisoners, ethnic cleansing and a racial supremacist ideology is now a criminal act!!!!!!!
I fundamentally disagree with hate speech laws. They inherently create and promote division in societies. Also it’s not like we had a bunch of slaves over here for several hundred years that creates the conditions for such a thing. Sick of the West dictating what countries should do.
Again dangerous legislation depending on who your government happens to be at the time. The definition of hate can be adjusted depending on who feels what when and where.
>The state has also been told that it must implement legislation against the denial, condoning of and gross trivialisation of international crimes and the Holocaust.
Doesn’t this seem very draconian? How can you police what somebody believes? Are we actually going to prosecute someone who doesn’t believe the holocaust happened?
They can stick the remainder of the hate speech bill up their arse.
Hate speech against Israel is verboeten.
Hate speech against Palestinians… well, they’re not really humans, are they? /s
Yeah no thanks. I’m ok with people being able to speak, even if I don’t like what they are saying. I can speak freely too.
So the EU is anti free speech?
EU really sticking their noses where they shouldn’t be. You can disagree with me but its so odd to me that countries specifically outlaw any negative speech about the Holocaust. Even the US doesnt have such laws since it wouldnt hold up. How many more generations of Europe need to be in permanent atonement until they are satisfied?
Also that little nugget about cybersecurity at the end which I suspect is probably another silly overreach by the EU.
Pretty sure no one in this thread understands the scope of the legislation.
Imagine it was London imposing these rules on us not Brussels
Cynical and absurd phrasing it as a only far right issue and Paul Murphy. It’s almost like the journal have a agenda with this article
Ah sure let’s get blasphemy laws in there as well. Policing speech is always a failed idea.
The government should continue to defend our existing legislation. They country was strongly opposed to the previously proposed bill.
Fuck em, I don’t want it. Take legal action
Well now suddenly I’m anti EU
Just don’t implement it and pay the fines. Simple as that. Also don’t we have a veto/opt out for this type of nonsense?
I hear you’re a racist now father?
The EU is really overstepping its reach. It’s unelected & while the financial & travel s8des are wonderful, this micromanaging of people & punishing them for thinking & speaking in a way they don’t like is wrong.
Free speech is the bedrock of a free society. This should be fought against, with other EU countries opposed to it, but with the clowns currently in power, it’s RIP to the proclamation, apparently.
I notice many people saying that the EU is supposed to be just an economic union and should not be getting involved here. Regardless of my own opinion about this, the EU makes no secret of describing itself as an “economic and political union”.
It’s practically the official position of the EU that they wish to go beyond just the economic and bring member states closer together politically and socially.
This always could be changed to suit whoever is in power, the EU foolishly believes they can define what is and isn’t acceptable hate speech but that can very easily change. Last year it was far right not to house refugees or even question it but today it’s the government saying this. Zionist was a dog whistle word and now the people that said that are saying it themselves. It all can change and very fast.
Why is the EU dictating what Ireland does
This law is too far. Israel shows that you don’t need to trivialize the Holocaust for many of the same evils to arise again. This law is, in fact, going to be used to help Israel _engage_ in exactly these same evils again.
You don’t go along with something that is wrong/evil, just because the EU tells you to do it.
The people attacking freedom of speech and political expression, need to be opposed, because they are set to use the power they are gaining over it, to help lay the ground for fascism (by using these laws mainly against their _opponents_, where it won’t affect the far right at all), and to help engage in exactly the type of mass genocides these laws pretend to oppose (with the IHRA definition of anti-semitism set to be adopted, which will be a step towards cracking down on criticism of Israel).
These laws are a trojan horse, which you will regret allowing to happen – and most of you who support this, will regret it far too late to change anything.
We already _are_ well down the path people were going down in Germany, prior to the rise of the Nazi’s, but history mostly ‘rhymes’ – the way we’re headed to fascism is different this time, and it’s starting with mass state authoritarianism.
People opposed to this should have a long and hard think about what it actually is, how real the things they oppose actually are, and *who is fueling the opposition to it*
We like to think we haven’t been effected by the efforts by musk and co. to use social media to push narratives and change policies, but to my mind opposition to hate crime/speach laws were the first big attempt at that in ireland, and it was a roaring success for them.
Just like the legal action we faced over VRT, yeah? Fat lot of good that did…
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Interesting that Finland also hasn’t implemented these laws.
Zionists are in control in Europe
Laws about denying or trivializing the Great Famine plz.
They’ll say it’s to stop racist speech but it’s really about stopping any criticism of Israel.
The EU aren’t fans of Kneecap then!?
Hmmm….the really important piece of information is the last two sentences, but that would not get clicks now, would it…..
Von Leyen is enough of a reason to talk about decentralizing the EU permanently:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPCZgDdiJ5I
The Lisbon treaty was a huge mistake.
Perhaps I’m in the minority here but I really feel like this should be outside the EU’s remit. It’s meant to be an economic trading bloc, not a moral and social union too
I support the EU but this is overreach.
>The state has also been told that it must implement legislation against the denial, condoning of and gross trivialisation of international crimes and the Holocaust. The Commission has threatened legal action if the necessary measures are not implemented.
So I assume VDL is in trouble for her support of people wanted for war crimes?
Don’t agree with this
“as well as the conducts of condoning, denial, and gross trivialisation of international crimes and the Holocaust.”
Fuck off. These were removed from last years legislation for a reason.
Why is an economic Union imposing moral standards on its member states?
And this article as well. Starts off mentioning our hate speech laws were opposed by ‘far-right agitators’. Planting that seed in your head before also letting you know it was opposed by the council of civil liberties.
No. I don’t want our country to have the same kind of laws France and Germany target pro-Palestine protesters with.
This is very authoritarian from the eu imo
This won’t be used to tackle actual racists and fascists. It’ll be used against critics of the genocide of Palestinians. Frau Genocide Ursula would sooner back Israel over Ireland.
Great, in 5 years I’ll be locked up because I posted a meme about a politician. They just hate speech full stop
It’s crazy how open they are about censorship these days, the way things are these days what’s normal speech one day is hate speech the next depending on current political situations.
Yet again the Fourth Reich try to tell other countries what to do
How does the trivializing of genocide law work with disputed ones like the Armenian genocide?
Also why can’t they just fuck off and leave us alone. We don’t bother anyone
To be honest the idea of the EU having a say in implementation of hate speech laws is a bit worrying, especially when you consider the Germans take on what defines antisemitism
Criticism of Israel would be deemed “hate speech”. Like it already is in other countries!
Criticism of -or simply noticing Genocide, the butchering tens of thousands of children, torture, &ape/ organ harvesting of prisoners, ethnic cleansing and a racial supremacist ideology is now a criminal act!!!!!!!
I fundamentally disagree with hate speech laws. They inherently create and promote division in societies. Also it’s not like we had a bunch of slaves over here for several hundred years that creates the conditions for such a thing. Sick of the West dictating what countries should do.
Again dangerous legislation depending on who your government happens to be at the time. The definition of hate can be adjusted depending on who feels what when and where.
>The state has also been told that it must implement legislation against the denial, condoning of and gross trivialisation of international crimes and the Holocaust.
Doesn’t this seem very draconian? How can you police what somebody believes? Are we actually going to prosecute someone who doesn’t believe the holocaust happened?
They can stick the remainder of the hate speech bill up their arse.
Hate speech against Israel is verboeten.
Hate speech against Palestinians… well, they’re not really humans, are they? /s
Yeah no thanks. I’m ok with people being able to speak, even if I don’t like what they are saying. I can speak freely too.
So the EU is anti free speech?
EU really sticking their noses where they shouldn’t be. You can disagree with me but its so odd to me that countries specifically outlaw any negative speech about the Holocaust. Even the US doesnt have such laws since it wouldnt hold up. How many more generations of Europe need to be in permanent atonement until they are satisfied?
Also that little nugget about cybersecurity at the end which I suspect is probably another silly overreach by the EU.
Pretty sure no one in this thread understands the scope of the legislation.
Imagine it was London imposing these rules on us not Brussels
Cynical and absurd phrasing it as a only far right issue and Paul Murphy. It’s almost like the journal have a agenda with this article
Ah sure let’s get blasphemy laws in there as well. Policing speech is always a failed idea.
The government should continue to defend our existing legislation. They country was strongly opposed to the previously proposed bill.
Fuck em, I don’t want it. Take legal action
Well now suddenly I’m anti EU
Just don’t implement it and pay the fines. Simple as that. Also don’t we have a veto/opt out for this type of nonsense?
I hear you’re a racist now father?
The EU is really overstepping its reach. It’s unelected & while the financial & travel s8des are wonderful, this micromanaging of people & punishing them for thinking & speaking in a way they don’t like is wrong.
Free speech is the bedrock of a free society. This should be fought against, with other EU countries opposed to it, but with the clowns currently in power, it’s RIP to the proclamation, apparently.
I notice many people saying that the EU is supposed to be just an economic union and should not be getting involved here. Regardless of my own opinion about this, the EU makes no secret of describing itself as an “economic and political union”.
It’s practically the official position of the EU that they wish to go beyond just the economic and bring member states closer together politically and socially.
This always could be changed to suit whoever is in power, the EU foolishly believes they can define what is and isn’t acceptable hate speech but that can very easily change. Last year it was far right not to house refugees or even question it but today it’s the government saying this. Zionist was a dog whistle word and now the people that said that are saying it themselves. It all can change and very fast.
Why is the EU dictating what Ireland does
This law is too far. Israel shows that you don’t need to trivialize the Holocaust for many of the same evils to arise again. This law is, in fact, going to be used to help Israel _engage_ in exactly these same evils again.
You don’t go along with something that is wrong/evil, just because the EU tells you to do it.
The people attacking freedom of speech and political expression, need to be opposed, because they are set to use the power they are gaining over it, to help lay the ground for fascism (by using these laws mainly against their _opponents_, where it won’t affect the far right at all), and to help engage in exactly the type of mass genocides these laws pretend to oppose (with the IHRA definition of anti-semitism set to be adopted, which will be a step towards cracking down on criticism of Israel).
These laws are a trojan horse, which you will regret allowing to happen – and most of you who support this, will regret it far too late to change anything.
We already _are_ well down the path people were going down in Germany, prior to the rise of the Nazi’s, but history mostly ‘rhymes’ – the way we’re headed to fascism is different this time, and it’s starting with mass state authoritarianism.
People opposed to this should have a long and hard think about what it actually is, how real the things they oppose actually are, and *who is fueling the opposition to it*
We like to think we haven’t been effected by the efforts by musk and co. to use social media to push narratives and change policies, but to my mind opposition to hate crime/speach laws were the first big attempt at that in ireland, and it was a roaring success for them.
Just like the legal action we faced over VRT, yeah? Fat lot of good that did…
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