Wow! That’s quite the expense, I know it costs for running, emptying and cleaning, but a bit steep, no? If I recall, these are not paid toilets, correct?
>Reduced demand for the toilets has been cited by Dublin City Council in its decision to remove the facility.
>The council has been spending almost €400,000 a year to operate the toilets, installed at the St Stephen’s Green end of Grafton Street during the Covid-19 pandemic.
> Usage has dropped significantly to 1,500 users per week from its peak in 2021, and the current operator for this unit is ceasing trading. For these reasons Dublin City Council intend to remove this temporary public toilet at the top of Grafton Street shortly.”
Jfc why does the council hate the city so much?!
Just before summer too? Geniuses 🙄🙄🙄
This is such a bad shout. There should be more public loos not less.
They need to pass a law that businesses can’t refuse non customers using the toilets in cafes and pubs etc if this is going to be allowed. I know people with issues who will not go into Dublin City center because their need for a toilet comes on suddenly and a lot of the time they can’t find one fast enough.
Grand I’ll just shit myself
Move them to Camden Street. Please.
They shouldn’t be complaining if people piss on the streets then.
I litterally made a post about this yeara ago and got a jeering
The mountains I move to avoid going into my own capital city is honestly awe inspiring sometimes. I’ve arranged meetings on the other side of the word to avoid Dublin. Simply because it’s that bad and I’m honestly embarrassed
IMO the issue is they’re operating rented cabins with significant security, so at 1,500 users per week and €400k per year of a cost, it’s a fiver per user. That is steep for a wee.
However, if DCC operated permanent establishments for public toilets all around the city you’d feel that the cost per user would reduce significantly.
Didn’t know we had any
1. I question the accuracy of 1500/week.
2. Last time I tried to use it I went in and it was f-ing disaster area. I decided to pop into a pub, order a pint, and shit on a toilet that had paper and didn’t look like it was a crime scene.
How is €400k to run jacks (what ever that clearly enormous task entails!) not another public works scandal?! That is some contract for a cleaning company….literally taking the piss
I was in Galway In salthill and was surprised by how disgusting the public toilets were that you had to pay 50c for the privilege of risking disease to use.
Being tourist spots these places should have the best public toilets that champion the Irish toilet industry
Why does everyone piss in alleys, we just can’t figure it out
I’m currently in Japan in a fairly large park to be fair, but looking over the lake I can see 2 bathrooms and one behind me. What I will add though, there is no soap, no way to dry your hands. But if you have to go, it does the job, there is still toilet paper. I was even in the middle of nowhere half way up a mountain, didn’t see anyone for an hour, a toilet was there. Open to the elements but did the job
Last para…
“In the 1970s there were more than 60 staffed public toilets in Dublin, but by the 1990s the number had been reduced to nine. By the end of that decade all had been closed due to issues including drug abuse and vandalism.”
How could we afford them then but not now? Toilets should be provided by councils as a service to residents and visitors. It is not the job of private businesses. And they should employ people to do it instead of outsourcing.
Let me guess. OPW are managing them for the council?
So they can hire 2 plonkers, to stand around the Molly Malone statue to talk down to and reprimand tourists for trying to create a fun memory of Dublin but they can’t maintain a public toilet?
We are actually living in a failed state, and that is said with 100% sincerity.
Bonkers cost and bonkers decision. Cities need public toilets and they surely add an economic benefit.
This is a bit of disappointing. So to be able use the public space now one has to chose to buy something in a cafe / restaurant / store to be permitted to use the toilet.
Everyone should watch the movie perfect day which is about the cleaner of the public toilets in japan. I reckon people don’t use the public toilet in ireland becuase they’re likely filthy. If we had a system like the japanese it would be a very different story.
Just make them to be paid toilets like other European cities
€400,000/anum? How on gods green earth does it cost **€1100 per day** to keep 4 shitty toilet stalls running? They don’t even open 24 hours, they’re closed and locked most of the time.
Even if you paid artisanal craftsmen to build the thing (they did not) and were ammortizing construction costs into the day-to-day (they are not); and employed multiple full-time, well paid staff solely to secure, maintain and clean the structure (and I assure you, those toilets do not have full time cleaning staff…) it still wouldn’t cost you 1100 per day. Even if insurance was astronomical, it wouldn’t cost 1100 per day. Even if they bough the fucking land the thing is sitting on (they didn’t) and were factoring bloody mortgage payments into the day-to-day (they are not) this is still an absolutely absurd price to pay a third party.
I’m not even going to start on “reduced demand for toilets” because I can’t with these fucking clowns today.
If there isn’t sufficient housing, the least that can be done is have public facilities for people to use.
Must be difficult to manage, especially if female.
Can’t even manage a pisser… In the capital…
This country is pathetic.
I mean paying 500,000 a year to maintain them what are they doing? No wonder they are being shut when you’re spending that much. Lunacy.
There should be more bins, more public toilets and more public spaces – if Dublin city centre is supposed to be for people.
Not all of London, but the mile by mile City of London has no public toilets and instead have a scheme where pubs and restaurants get a tax credit (or something similar) in exchange for letting the public use their bathrooms. In Amsterdam they have public metal urinals, and London puts out temporary ones in the evening. Many alternatives that could be brought in, but of course the Irish way is to just remove with no replacement
From the article:
“In the 1970s there were more than 60 staffed public toilets in Dublin, but by the 1990s the number had been reduced to nine. By the end of that decade all had been closed due to issues including drug abuse and vandalism”
It would likely be even worse now than it was in the 90s. If they were going to be actually usable by the general public and not just homeless drug addicts they’d probably need 24/7 security. I don’t know how feasible that is. Other capital cities have them but most other capital cities don’t have such a visible drug problem in the main city centre.
No problem plenty doors and corners already being used as public toilet anyway
This is an unpopular opinion but hear me out. We should move to the European model, where you pay for toilets in establishments. Then you can just use any toilet in any establishment at any time for 50 cents. You don’t have to try and sneak in or buy a coffee you don’t want to use the toilet, it makes more sense.
Dublin City Council will strip the city centre of all amenities and then wonder why it has such a poor reputation. One thing we all do is piss, major cities need public toilets.
The risk of anti-social behaviour isn’t a good enough counter argument. We need to make people’s quality of life better, not worse.
Dublin city centre is a joke. No bins, druggies everywhere, and now no toilets. No reason to go, really.
Just make a voluntary public toilet scheme for establishments around the town. They could have a sticker for the door to say their toilets are free to use for public and they could be offered a tax incentive for it and will also have people view and potentially use their services at the same time. Cost of maintenance is already being taken care of, many more toilets available to the public and Irish hospitality encouraged
DCC try to improve the city, not make it worse challenge (impossible)
Time. For. A. Real. Mayor.
Axe the DCC. Make a new body beholden to implementimg the plans of elected representatives of the city, not a road block against their plans and take the power of daily life out of the hands of TDs who have no interest in the city, and who may be utterly opposed to the city succeeding such as the Healy Rae ilk.
For half the money, I take care of these toilets full time…..
That’s taking the piss
If the council want to avoid aggro then why not do what they did in my town and place them opposite the cop shop..
As someone who spent the last year with really bad stomach and health problems this kinda makes me sad. It’s hard some days where you have plans and the anxiety of not knowing if there are any publicly accessible toilets nearby wears on you. quite disappointing that there’s more being removed instead of being added.
For those of you in a similar boat or would like a list of public toilets check out [Pee.ie](https://www.pee.ie/). Feel free to keep it updated and submit your own.
M&S on Grafton Street, Jervis SC, ILAC SC, CHQ, Connolly and Heuston stations all have freely accessible toilets for the public. I’m sure there’s probably plenty others too.
Probably unpopular point, but just going to point out, this is a gendered issue too, it has implications for how easy it is for women to move around the capital city.
Women need to pee more, need bathroom facilities for menstrual management, and can’t pee as quickly or discreetly as men if they’re caught short. This is the reason women’s bathroom queues are so long vs mens, and it’s a BIG consideration for a lot of women when thinking about outdoor activities.
The difference was *extremely* noticeable during Covid when there weren’t any public toilets yet, and all my lad friends were able to tip into town any time they wanted and have a ball, while my lady friends could only plan to go in to town for as long as their bladders could hold out, while allowing time to get home again in the bargain. It was the difference between being able to spend al day in the park, if you turned out to feel like it, vs maybe an hour or two.
Then after 6pm in the evenings, women almost disappeared from the streets altogether, no matter how nice the weather etc was or how much they’d enjoy it otherwise, because that biological timer would have caught them and because they would have even fewer options once offices and the few places available would close.
The lack of public toilets disproportionately affects women’s access to public life.
Are they closing McDonald’s?
Remember the summer after Covid in 2021, everyone was complaining over the lack of public toilets in the city and there was constant pressure on the council for it
Then they placed 2 hybrid porta potty’s and all the complaints went away even though they were in horrible condition at some points and now it’s gone, what a joke
They’re closing the entire city center?
It will soon be socially acceptable to just shit on the street. Even Fintan on his way to the office, just get off the LUAS and take a dump on the platform and continue on his way.
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They’re closing another bloody alleyway?!
Wow! That’s quite the expense, I know it costs for running, emptying and cleaning, but a bit steep, no? If I recall, these are not paid toilets, correct?
>Reduced demand for the toilets has been cited by Dublin City Council in its decision to remove the facility.
>The council has been spending almost €400,000 a year to operate the toilets, installed at the St Stephen’s Green end of Grafton Street during the Covid-19 pandemic.
> Usage has dropped significantly to 1,500 users per week from its peak in 2021, and the current operator for this unit is ceasing trading. For these reasons Dublin City Council intend to remove this temporary public toilet at the top of Grafton Street shortly.”
Jfc why does the council hate the city so much?!
Just before summer too? Geniuses 🙄🙄🙄
This is such a bad shout. There should be more public loos not less.
They need to pass a law that businesses can’t refuse non customers using the toilets in cafes and pubs etc if this is going to be allowed. I know people with issues who will not go into Dublin City center because their need for a toilet comes on suddenly and a lot of the time they can’t find one fast enough.
Grand I’ll just shit myself
Move them to Camden Street. Please.
They shouldn’t be complaining if people piss on the streets then.
I litterally made a post about this yeara ago and got a jeering
The mountains I move to avoid going into my own capital city is honestly awe inspiring sometimes. I’ve arranged meetings on the other side of the word to avoid Dublin. Simply because it’s that bad and I’m honestly embarrassed
IMO the issue is they’re operating rented cabins with significant security, so at 1,500 users per week and €400k per year of a cost, it’s a fiver per user. That is steep for a wee.
However, if DCC operated permanent establishments for public toilets all around the city you’d feel that the cost per user would reduce significantly.
Didn’t know we had any
1. I question the accuracy of 1500/week.
2. Last time I tried to use it I went in and it was f-ing disaster area. I decided to pop into a pub, order a pint, and shit on a toilet that had paper and didn’t look like it was a crime scene.
How is €400k to run jacks (what ever that clearly enormous task entails!) not another public works scandal?! That is some contract for a cleaning company….literally taking the piss
I was in Galway In salthill and was surprised by how disgusting the public toilets were that you had to pay 50c for the privilege of risking disease to use.
Being tourist spots these places should have the best public toilets that champion the Irish toilet industry
Why does everyone piss in alleys, we just can’t figure it out
I’m currently in Japan in a fairly large park to be fair, but looking over the lake I can see 2 bathrooms and one behind me. What I will add though, there is no soap, no way to dry your hands. But if you have to go, it does the job, there is still toilet paper. I was even in the middle of nowhere half way up a mountain, didn’t see anyone for an hour, a toilet was there. Open to the elements but did the job
Last para…
“In the 1970s there were more than 60 staffed public toilets in Dublin, but by the 1990s the number had been reduced to nine. By the end of that decade all had been closed due to issues including drug abuse and vandalism.”
How could we afford them then but not now? Toilets should be provided by councils as a service to residents and visitors. It is not the job of private businesses. And they should employ people to do it instead of outsourcing.
Let me guess. OPW are managing them for the council?
So they can hire 2 plonkers, to stand around the Molly Malone statue to talk down to and reprimand tourists for trying to create a fun memory of Dublin but they can’t maintain a public toilet?
We are actually living in a failed state, and that is said with 100% sincerity.
Bonkers cost and bonkers decision. Cities need public toilets and they surely add an economic benefit.
This is a bit of disappointing. So to be able use the public space now one has to chose to buy something in a cafe / restaurant / store to be permitted to use the toilet.
Everyone should watch the movie perfect day which is about the cleaner of the public toilets in japan. I reckon people don’t use the public toilet in ireland becuase they’re likely filthy. If we had a system like the japanese it would be a very different story.
Just make them to be paid toilets like other European cities
€400,000/anum? How on gods green earth does it cost **€1100 per day** to keep 4 shitty toilet stalls running? They don’t even open 24 hours, they’re closed and locked most of the time.
Even if you paid artisanal craftsmen to build the thing (they did not) and were ammortizing construction costs into the day-to-day (they are not); and employed multiple full-time, well paid staff solely to secure, maintain and clean the structure (and I assure you, those toilets do not have full time cleaning staff…) it still wouldn’t cost you 1100 per day. Even if insurance was astronomical, it wouldn’t cost 1100 per day. Even if they bough the fucking land the thing is sitting on (they didn’t) and were factoring bloody mortgage payments into the day-to-day (they are not) this is still an absolutely absurd price to pay a third party.
I’m not even going to start on “reduced demand for toilets” because I can’t with these fucking clowns today.
http://www.pee.ie
Where do homeless people use?
If there isn’t sufficient housing, the least that can be done is have public facilities for people to use.
Must be difficult to manage, especially if female.
Can’t even manage a pisser… In the capital…
This country is pathetic.
I mean paying 500,000 a year to maintain them what are they doing? No wonder they are being shut when you’re spending that much. Lunacy.
There should be more bins, more public toilets and more public spaces – if Dublin city centre is supposed to be for people.
Not all of London, but the mile by mile City of London has no public toilets and instead have a scheme where pubs and restaurants get a tax credit (or something similar) in exchange for letting the public use their bathrooms. In Amsterdam they have public metal urinals, and London puts out temporary ones in the evening. Many alternatives that could be brought in, but of course the Irish way is to just remove with no replacement
From the article:
“In the 1970s there were more than 60 staffed public toilets in Dublin, but by the 1990s the number had been reduced to nine. By the end of that decade all had been closed due to issues including drug abuse and vandalism”
It would likely be even worse now than it was in the 90s. If they were going to be actually usable by the general public and not just homeless drug addicts they’d probably need 24/7 security. I don’t know how feasible that is. Other capital cities have them but most other capital cities don’t have such a visible drug problem in the main city centre.
No problem plenty doors and corners already being used as public toilet anyway
This is an unpopular opinion but hear me out. We should move to the European model, where you pay for toilets in establishments. Then you can just use any toilet in any establishment at any time for 50 cents. You don’t have to try and sneak in or buy a coffee you don’t want to use the toilet, it makes more sense.
Dublin City Council will strip the city centre of all amenities and then wonder why it has such a poor reputation. One thing we all do is piss, major cities need public toilets.
The risk of anti-social behaviour isn’t a good enough counter argument. We need to make people’s quality of life better, not worse.
Dublin city centre is a joke. No bins, druggies everywhere, and now no toilets. No reason to go, really.
Just make a voluntary public toilet scheme for establishments around the town. They could have a sticker for the door to say their toilets are free to use for public and they could be offered a tax incentive for it and will also have people view and potentially use their services at the same time. Cost of maintenance is already being taken care of, many more toilets available to the public and Irish hospitality encouraged
DCC try to improve the city, not make it worse challenge (impossible)
Time. For. A. Real. Mayor.
Axe the DCC. Make a new body beholden to implementimg the plans of elected representatives of the city, not a road block against their plans and take the power of daily life out of the hands of TDs who have no interest in the city, and who may be utterly opposed to the city succeeding such as the Healy Rae ilk.
For half the money, I take care of these toilets full time…..
That’s taking the piss
If the council want to avoid aggro then why not do what they did in my town and place them opposite the cop shop..
As someone who spent the last year with really bad stomach and health problems this kinda makes me sad. It’s hard some days where you have plans and the anxiety of not knowing if there are any publicly accessible toilets nearby wears on you. quite disappointing that there’s more being removed instead of being added.
For those of you in a similar boat or would like a list of public toilets check out [Pee.ie](https://www.pee.ie/). Feel free to keep it updated and submit your own.
M&S on Grafton Street, Jervis SC, ILAC SC, CHQ, Connolly and Heuston stations all have freely accessible toilets for the public. I’m sure there’s probably plenty others too.
Probably unpopular point, but just going to point out, this is a gendered issue too, it has implications for how easy it is for women to move around the capital city.
Women need to pee more, need bathroom facilities for menstrual management, and can’t pee as quickly or discreetly as men if they’re caught short. This is the reason women’s bathroom queues are so long vs mens, and it’s a BIG consideration for a lot of women when thinking about outdoor activities.
The difference was *extremely* noticeable during Covid when there weren’t any public toilets yet, and all my lad friends were able to tip into town any time they wanted and have a ball, while my lady friends could only plan to go in to town for as long as their bladders could hold out, while allowing time to get home again in the bargain. It was the difference between being able to spend al day in the park, if you turned out to feel like it, vs maybe an hour or two.
Then after 6pm in the evenings, women almost disappeared from the streets altogether, no matter how nice the weather etc was or how much they’d enjoy it otherwise, because that biological timer would have caught them and because they would have even fewer options once offices and the few places available would close.
The lack of public toilets disproportionately affects women’s access to public life.
Are they closing McDonald’s?
Remember the summer after Covid in 2021, everyone was complaining over the lack of public toilets in the city and there was constant pressure on the council for it
Then they placed 2 hybrid porta potty’s and all the complaints went away even though they were in horrible condition at some points and now it’s gone, what a joke
They’re closing the entire city center?
It will soon be socially acceptable to just shit on the street. Even Fintan on his way to the office, just get off the LUAS and take a dump on the platform and continue on his way.
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