Labour to unveil big immigration plans next week – but will they win back votes?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxkl01qjzwo
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Labour to unveil big immigration plans next week – but will they win back votes?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxkl01qjzwo
by suspended-sentence
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I think that after decades of the tory’s throwing out pure BS to win votes, half the country has now adapted to the point where any *actually viable policy* doesn’t cut it anymore, and they’re gonna keep chasing after unicorns like a porn addict an hour into a goon session. They want miracle pills that magically make everything better with zero downside.
There is nothing Labour can actually do to court them other than lie or harm the country. Anything else won’t be enough.
They need to actually do something drastic and prove that they can follow through with it. No snappy slogans, no more words. Talk is cheap.
Im sceptical of what they will do though because they’ve had to be brought kicking and screaming to address immigration, and they are only talking tough now because of the threat of Reform. They are doing it to try and save their own positions come next election.
But we will see. I’d much rather Labour be the ones to get a grip on the situation than Reform or worse come along. I have always said we need one of the main parties to tackle this or we will end up with something far worse down the line and they will propose much worse solutions.
If Reform voters have to choose between a Reform-esque Labour or just Reform, they’re going to choose Reform. Trying to chase those votes is a fruitless endeavour, especially when they’re already bleeding their core voter base with their neoliberal policies.
Let me guess – more hoops and massive costs for legal migrants, nothing workable to stop illegal migrants.
This has been a problem all around Europe.
Political parties talk or dont even talk about it, and then far right parties gain traction.
If there is momentum on reform, only labour and tories to blame.
This is what should be shouted from rooftops all around the country:
> David Cameron then **promised repeatedly that he’d get the number of extra people settling in the UK under 100,000. That vow was repeatedly broken**. His government’s lack of ability to control migration from Europe was at the core of the Brexit argument.
> With deep irony, Boris Johnson won that argument in the referendum, **then set up an immigration system that allowed even more people to move to the UK**, peaking at 900,000 in 2023. Rishi Sunak then promised to “Stop the Boats” – but they still came.
> A No 10 insider says the “public has been gaslit for years – taxpayers have been told it’s happening, but nothing has been changing”.
I think we need a Dubai situation
No citizenship ever, just work permits, and when you get too old you have to go back to where you came from
No one is going to care about relaunches and PR.
The fact is the Tories had 14 yrs of uncontrolled immigration.
If Labour end up with 5yrs of uncontrolled immigration then for many voters Reform UK will be the only game in town at the next election.
Whether it wins votes will largely depend on what the plans are, I suspect.
I wish our politics would stop being reactionary and focus on fixing the long term systemic issues in the UK. People and businesses want to see a long term plan with clear goals and timelines, not spur of the meoment policy decisions with no long term thought.
Soooooo smashing the gangs not going to plan….who’d a thunk
I don’t see how they can. Reeves’ big growth plan is based on the migration numbers from ONS and OBR. So, if they are going to change, then Reeves will have to get her spreadsheet back out.
It had a net migration of 2.5m total by 2030. I’m not sure how people can be surprised when it’s been floating around since Feb.
Labour couldd improve the UK 100% and Laura K (election fraudster) would still frame it as a bad thing, anyone who thinks the BBC is left wing just needs to watch and read this excuse for a ‘journalist’s’ content.
I’ve long subscribed to the theory/notion that, post 1970s labour union uprisings, certain influential free-market capitalist thinkers (supported by Reagan & Thatcherism) managed to permanently change the socio-political landscape with a sinister method of both massively increasinging immigration – for the obvious historic reasons that it increases the available labour pool and so tilts power away from the working class towards capitalists & business-owners – **but also simultaneously** demonising immigrants, refugees and people of other cultures. This toxic rhetoric managed to turn most left-leaning economists, thinkers and politicians into also becoming almost pro-immigration (or perhaps more accurately anti anti-immigration), despite the obvious negative consequences for a country’s existing working class.
I’ve always found it allegorious to how in the Star Wars Episode 1 prequal, Palpatine managed to play both sides and turn a democracy into a tyrannical Empire with him as Emperor. That’s an obvious dramatisation but to me there’s some similarity in how a topic with massive economic implications became out-of-bounds and gave one-side complete control despite a democratic setting.
Consequently, we see that since the early 1980s, immigration in Western countries has increased [near exponentially](https://www.statista.com/statistics/283287/net-migration-figures-of-the-united-kingdom-y-on-y/) and its clear underlying role in the change to the [wealth-inequality landscape](https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jun/27/century-income-inequality-statistics-uk), which for most the 20th century had been trending towards a more egalitarian future up until the 1980s since which inequality has been consistently rising.
The Tories will say it is too little too late, Reform will take the credit for it being their idea, Labour supporters will revolt saying it is too right wing, charities will say it is too harsh and the media will find a tiny flaw and make it out to be the end of the earth and if they can’t find one there will be misinterpretation as to what is really happening.
>Her White Paper, which will be called “Restoring Control Over the Immigration System” and be 69 pages long, is a big moment for Labour to try to sort a messy system, under which the numbers of people moving here rose way over most people’s imagination.
I’m so glad a party that goes to this level of detail and analysis on such a big problem is tackling this issue. How anyone thinks Reform is better equipped to tackle it I have no idea. Farage will be too incompetent that immigration will end up increasing under him. His proposed timeline alone makes me think he will just try anything and see if it breaks.
>But the big principle in Cooper’s thinking is that the immigration system should be fundamentally linked to the labour market – helping British workers get the skills to fill vacancies, rather than overseas workers being brought in again and again, to plug the gaps.
Looks like they are finally tackling the underlying issue. Employers have been relying on using foreign labour and indentured servitude to plug a gap and keep wages down. I hope this actually leads to more training opportunities for those who are entering the job market. We are desperately in need of those.
I have almost no doubt I’m going to be underwhelmed by this announcement.
After taking a dump on the trans, and the disabled we’re now onto the next weakest rung of society, immigrants, but we’re not fascist promise fam. we just for some reason always have a problem with the weakest people.
i’m sure house prices will be plummeting along with the affordabilitiy of goods after this policy, just kidding.
let’s keep appealing to the right wing that aren’t gonna vote for your shit, and alienate reasonable minded lefties cos they got no place to go anyway. meanwhile, doing jack shit about the real corrosive forces present in today ssociety. cos certain types, (people in power) profit from those.
>Foreign students who have studied for degrees here could lose the right to stay in the UK after they finish at university.
What?!?! Am I understanding this correctly? We’re going to remove the right to stay for people WITH degrees???? Surely this is the most desired immigrate of them all?
So Labours grand plan is to purposely brain drain the UK? Mean while successful countries are trying their hardest to get these people to move to them!
Someone please tell me I’ve misread this and I’m the idiot?
The damage is already done. I see no ‘allies’ (‘socii’) in my society (‘societas’) any longer. All that I am presented with in every moment of my day to day life is foreign nationals or those of foreign heritage. There is no society here, no mutual alliance between long established families (through which a ‘nation’ is created).
I will never, ever, participate in this society..
No, because the statistics show they’ve “lost” very few voters because of immigration. The people who aren’t voting Labour are now not voting or are voting Green/LD and “too soft on immigration” isn’t one of the top reasons why.
They’re trying to “win back” voters who would never have voted for them anyway, and those voters think Keir Starmer is a communist.
Labour know this of course, they’re not too bothered about actually succeeding politically.
Starmer scrapped the Rwanda plan on his very first day in office. Ironically, the EU has since begun exploring a similar approach.
To those eager to shout about “cost” or how “inefficient” it was for the UK — it’s worth acknowledging that the scheme was repeatedly challenged in the courts, which meant it was never fully put into action.
If you’re serious about stopping the flow of illegal migration, then a credible deterrent is essential. The idea of relocating individuals while their claims are processed achieves precisely that.
Think of it like a leaking pipe — you don’t just keep mopping up the water and hope the issue resolves itself. You stop the leak at its source.
Starmer has made it clear he’s not willing to consider such measures, and his focus on “tackling gangs” has so far done very little to address the problem. I’ve little confidence in his ability to turn things around. And he ought to be careful — if he fails to confront this issue properly, and in a way that resonates with public expectations, he risks driving more support towards Reform.
My guess is he’s struck some sort of agreement with France, following recent meetings with Macron. But we’ve been down that road before — paying the French to tighten border controls delivered no meaningful results.
I really hope they go far enough.
If they can sufficiently clamp down on net immigration and implement some measures to encourage remigration then I think there’s a good chance they get a second term
If they are too soft though, we’ll end up with Reform
They’re gonna buy up the 1.5m new builds and house illegal immigrants in them. Genius
They won’t, the anti immigration voters all vote for Reform.
Labour is stupid if they think that they will win the votes of centrists and liberals
Nothing on growth policies and economy
Nothing on removing Brexit red tape
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