Not surprised parents aren’t doing their job , teachers can’t do anything otherwise parents will go mad
I’m sure the naughty kids will start behaving now to avoid having to stay at home on a school day.
Educators striking for the pay they deserve would be a massive wake-up call for the government, opposition AND the electorate.
Parents/guardians need to learn, the difficult way, that it ain’t subsidised daycare.
Should just expel the terribly misbehaving ones and let parents deal with it.
I don’t know why anyone would be a teacher today.
Low pay, constantly dealing with overbearing parents, mobile phones and social media to deal with.
You know what? Good on them.
Not excluding pupils sounds fine in theory. But what usually results is disruption for every other pupil and teachers getting physically assaulted. All the while the parents do nothing.
Its a rubbish situation all around. But what these kids need is HELP, not to just be forced through the educational system because of some arcane rule.
They need to bring back permanent expulsions and military academies. Someone has to parent these kids.
If students don’t want to be there, just send them home and tell them to not return until they will decide to behave 🤷
My sister burnt out of teaching years ago and she’s not what I would call a pushover. She now runs an office and is able to put big mardy blokes in their place when need be, but the children’s behaviour was a major factor in her leaving. I never taught in the UK but I taught abroad for a few years and the difference between what I experienced Vs what my sister and other teachers I knew in the UK couldn’t be more different. I changed careers when I came back to the UK rather than try and teach here.
Covid really fucked over kids, and this and probably the next two years are where we’re going to see the worst of it. Kids who missed out on the most important development years in school becoming teenagers. A middle school teacher friend of mine has told me about just how socially maladjusted, even by normal 12 year old standards, their kids in the US are and there’s no surprise its happening here too.
Technology obviously has had a huge role to play but I don’t think things are materially that different from well over a decade ago, except perhaps Ipad kids and AI (though AI is more about the general increasing lazinessof kids and less so behaviour, and even then it’s pretty similar to just copypasting Wikipedia for all homework possible that my generation did), but I really think missing out on 1-2 years of the most important years for social development has done far more harm.
There is a light at the end of the tunnel that this means things should hopefully improve in a few years time as kids would’ve only missed out on some pretty unimportant years or not at all, but that’s not for a while.
It sounds as if club bouncers are required in the corridors. They’d know what to do!
Fight fire with fire.
It’s not uncommon now for over half of detentions to be contested by parents. Even if there is irrefutable proof that the student did something wrong (as kids do), nope they won’t get detention. Funnily enough those are the kids that make things so horrifically difficult in class room settings.
I understand that teachers need to be called out on bad behaviour, and that sometimes (or often) they will get things wrong, but the amount of parents who will threaten and throw a fit to get their kid out of any situation that involved consequences is overwhelming to deal with.
Fair play to them, but I don’t see what the solution is
I’ve taught for 31 years, always in deprived areas. It is shocking now, a world away from where we were, even ten years ago.
Where parents work with us to care for their children, we can do our jobs.
But when parents abuse us, scream at us, threaten us then there is nothing we can do for their children.
And the lies- some parents now listen to the lies of a child without hesitation and act on those lies with what they consider righteous anger.
I’m almost done.
If a school permanently excludes a student, they have to take another student on who had been permanently excluded. So sometimes it’s better the devil you know sadly.
People are so entitled, start doing more out of school suspensions and involving parents more, with required parent teacher meetings.
Seems a lot of people require public shaming to do simple parenting
I don’t feel anything for teachers, a group of people who overlooked me getting heavily abused and in some cases made it worse because they couldn’t be assed to contact someone. No, fuck teachers
I was out for food today in a semi decent area, eating in a Rudy’s that I know isn’t posh or anything but it’s a million times nicer than Pizza Hut or any other pizza franchise.
A young couple had two young children, both got ignored and didn’t have a toy, a book or even parents who couldn’t stare at a phone, all whilst giving them scraps of the pizza, the parents ordered. No food that was healthy for a 6 month old or 2 year old.
A cake was offered when the 2 year old wouldn’t eat the pizza scraps. If young children are being ignored, then children of all ages are.
Wow this brings back memories.
At my school one way or another they got rid of most of the old staff who had higher expectations and replaced them with new staff or supply teachers etc who though being told to fuck off every day was part of the job and probably your own fault so you shouldn’t even mention it.
I remember staff being threatened with disciplinary action because a kid running around the classroom ran into them , being considered suspect for actually telling kids off in the corridors , getting a bollocking for raising a school wide discipline problem in a staff meeting rather than privately with the management.
There needs to be credible consequences for kids who misbehave.
Back in the day that used to be physical consequences. In my day, it was a threat to get your parents involved. Both of those are currently failing because (i) we’ve decided it’s immoral to apply physical discipline, without coming up with a good alternative and (ii) lots of parents don’t give a shit so that isn’t a credible threat to their children.
In my opinion teachers need to be allowed physical discipline, not because they should use it all the time but because you need some kind of credible ultimate threat that will actually work.
Being able to lock them in a dark room for an hour might work too, but you’d have to be able to physically drag them there or they’d just say no.
Explusion, even if schools could do it, isn’t really a threat to kids who don’t want to be there in the first place and parents who don’t care about education.
Dam right. Teachers didn’t go into teaching to parent kids and put up with shitty behaviour. They are there to teach. Putting it on teachers is just shifting a massive societal problem – kids have too much power. I read a comment on here recently about gen x kids lives revolved around their parents lives not the other way around.
It seems we are unable to find a reasonable balance between lawless schools, and schools where emotional abuse and fear are the norm. Just look at Holland Park School and Mossbourne:
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Not surprised parents aren’t doing their job , teachers can’t do anything otherwise parents will go mad
I’m sure the naughty kids will start behaving now to avoid having to stay at home on a school day.
Educators striking for the pay they deserve would be a massive wake-up call for the government, opposition AND the electorate.
Parents/guardians need to learn, the difficult way, that it ain’t subsidised daycare.
Should just expel the terribly misbehaving ones and let parents deal with it.
I don’t know why anyone would be a teacher today.
Low pay, constantly dealing with overbearing parents, mobile phones and social media to deal with.
You know what? Good on them.
Not excluding pupils sounds fine in theory. But what usually results is disruption for every other pupil and teachers getting physically assaulted. All the while the parents do nothing.
Its a rubbish situation all around. But what these kids need is HELP, not to just be forced through the educational system because of some arcane rule.
They need to bring back permanent expulsions and military academies. Someone has to parent these kids.
If students don’t want to be there, just send them home and tell them to not return until they will decide to behave 🤷
My sister burnt out of teaching years ago and she’s not what I would call a pushover. She now runs an office and is able to put big mardy blokes in their place when need be, but the children’s behaviour was a major factor in her leaving. I never taught in the UK but I taught abroad for a few years and the difference between what I experienced Vs what my sister and other teachers I knew in the UK couldn’t be more different. I changed careers when I came back to the UK rather than try and teach here.
Covid really fucked over kids, and this and probably the next two years are where we’re going to see the worst of it. Kids who missed out on the most important development years in school becoming teenagers. A middle school teacher friend of mine has told me about just how socially maladjusted, even by normal 12 year old standards, their kids in the US are and there’s no surprise its happening here too.
Technology obviously has had a huge role to play but I don’t think things are materially that different from well over a decade ago, except perhaps Ipad kids and AI (though AI is more about the general increasing lazinessof kids and less so behaviour, and even then it’s pretty similar to just copypasting Wikipedia for all homework possible that my generation did), but I really think missing out on 1-2 years of the most important years for social development has done far more harm.
There is a light at the end of the tunnel that this means things should hopefully improve in a few years time as kids would’ve only missed out on some pretty unimportant years or not at all, but that’s not for a while.
It sounds as if club bouncers are required in the corridors. They’d know what to do!
Fight fire with fire.
It’s not uncommon now for over half of detentions to be contested by parents. Even if there is irrefutable proof that the student did something wrong (as kids do), nope they won’t get detention. Funnily enough those are the kids that make things so horrifically difficult in class room settings.
I understand that teachers need to be called out on bad behaviour, and that sometimes (or often) they will get things wrong, but the amount of parents who will threaten and throw a fit to get their kid out of any situation that involved consequences is overwhelming to deal with.
Fair play to them, but I don’t see what the solution is
I’ve taught for 31 years, always in deprived areas. It is shocking now, a world away from where we were, even ten years ago.
Where parents work with us to care for their children, we can do our jobs.
But when parents abuse us, scream at us, threaten us then there is nothing we can do for their children.
And the lies- some parents now listen to the lies of a child without hesitation and act on those lies with what they consider righteous anger.
I’m almost done.
If a school permanently excludes a student, they have to take another student on who had been permanently excluded. So sometimes it’s better the devil you know sadly.
People are so entitled, start doing more out of school suspensions and involving parents more, with required parent teacher meetings.
Seems a lot of people require public shaming to do simple parenting
I don’t feel anything for teachers, a group of people who overlooked me getting heavily abused and in some cases made it worse because they couldn’t be assed to contact someone. No, fuck teachers
I was out for food today in a semi decent area, eating in a Rudy’s that I know isn’t posh or anything but it’s a million times nicer than Pizza Hut or any other pizza franchise.
A young couple had two young children, both got ignored and didn’t have a toy, a book or even parents who couldn’t stare at a phone, all whilst giving them scraps of the pizza, the parents ordered. No food that was healthy for a 6 month old or 2 year old.
A cake was offered when the 2 year old wouldn’t eat the pizza scraps. If young children are being ignored, then children of all ages are.
Wow this brings back memories.
At my school one way or another they got rid of most of the old staff who had higher expectations and replaced them with new staff or supply teachers etc who though being told to fuck off every day was part of the job and probably your own fault so you shouldn’t even mention it.
I remember staff being threatened with disciplinary action because a kid running around the classroom ran into them , being considered suspect for actually telling kids off in the corridors , getting a bollocking for raising a school wide discipline problem in a staff meeting rather than privately with the management.
There needs to be credible consequences for kids who misbehave.
Back in the day that used to be physical consequences. In my day, it was a threat to get your parents involved. Both of those are currently failing because (i) we’ve decided it’s immoral to apply physical discipline, without coming up with a good alternative and (ii) lots of parents don’t give a shit so that isn’t a credible threat to their children.
In my opinion teachers need to be allowed physical discipline, not because they should use it all the time but because you need some kind of credible ultimate threat that will actually work.
Being able to lock them in a dark room for an hour might work too, but you’d have to be able to physically drag them there or they’d just say no.
Explusion, even if schools could do it, isn’t really a threat to kids who don’t want to be there in the first place and parents who don’t care about education.
Dam right. Teachers didn’t go into teaching to parent kids and put up with shitty behaviour. They are there to teach. Putting it on teachers is just shifting a massive societal problem – kids have too much power. I read a comment on here recently about gen x kids lives revolved around their parents lives not the other way around.
It seems we are unable to find a reasonable balance between lawless schools, and schools where emotional abuse and fear are the norm. Just look at Holland Park School and Mossbourne:
[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61325597](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61325597)
[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czjd383z9lyo](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czjd383z9lyo)
Private schools should be outlawed. See how fast things would change if the elites had their precious little Tarquin going to a comprehensive.
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