Everyone seems to be really hung up with Holocaust here even though this law proposition will include ALL such major crimes against humanity.
Some of you might look at a headline like this and think ‘that’s a weird thing to do in this day and age’, but some people need the guidance. My wife’s cousin, a grown ass man, hangs Nazi flags in his living space unironically. Her history teacher in school thought that the Germans and Finns were a do-no-wrong dream team in WWII. Obviously that doesn’t and shouldn’t reflect on the average Finn, but it makes me happier that the government, even our current one and with our current relationship with Russia, finds that shit intolerable.
Where to draw the line on denial? Is saying that there was 600 000 victims instead of 6 000 000 victims denial?
Trivialising the Holocaust by denying it is antisemitic and should be treated as a serious hate crime.
What also trivialises the Holocaust is falsely equating any criticism of the genocide in Gaza by Israel with antisemitism. Defenders of Israel are no different to Holocaust deniers in that regard.
look, I get it, I completely understand. But banning questioning or researching a historical event will only motivate deniers further. “What are you trying to hide?”. I don’t think it makes things any better. It’s just fuel to the fire and arrested deniers will become martyrs to the others for “risking it all to expose the truth”. It’s literally better to just leave it
Valtaosa kaikista holokaustin kieltäjistä levittää juttujaan netistä, eli tarvitaan melkoinen stasin kaltainen organisaatio jotta voitaisiin rangaista kaikkia holokaustin kieltäviä mielipiteiden esittäjiä. Totalitarismia vastaan taisteleminen mielipiteiden kieltämisellä on myöskin järjenvastainen ja epälooginen idea.
The previous attitude was that history does not require official recognition to be true, nor is it damaged by someone denying it.
But I do get the point here, at least to some degree, as holocaust denial has become such a prevalent tool for some extreme fringe organizations, and we have a border neighbour actively spewing out propaganda that tries to paint all western countries as some sort of nazis.
They promised democracy and liberty but gave “the truth or else…..”
I fucking hate Nazis, but this seems like a violation of basic rights to be able to say what you want yknow. Like what if they go further and passes a law that bans speaking out against the government when they are doing wrong
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Everyone seems to be really hung up with Holocaust here even though this law proposition will include ALL such major crimes against humanity.
Some of you might look at a headline like this and think ‘that’s a weird thing to do in this day and age’, but some people need the guidance. My wife’s cousin, a grown ass man, hangs Nazi flags in his living space unironically. Her history teacher in school thought that the Germans and Finns were a do-no-wrong dream team in WWII. Obviously that doesn’t and shouldn’t reflect on the average Finn, but it makes me happier that the government, even our current one and with our current relationship with Russia, finds that shit intolerable.
Where to draw the line on denial? Is saying that there was 600 000 victims instead of 6 000 000 victims denial?
Trivialising the Holocaust by denying it is antisemitic and should be treated as a serious hate crime.
What also trivialises the Holocaust is falsely equating any criticism of the genocide in Gaza by Israel with antisemitism. Defenders of Israel are no different to Holocaust deniers in that regard.
look, I get it, I completely understand. But banning questioning or researching a historical event will only motivate deniers further. “What are you trying to hide?”. I don’t think it makes things any better. It’s just fuel to the fire and arrested deniers will become martyrs to the others for “risking it all to expose the truth”. It’s literally better to just leave it
Valtaosa kaikista holokaustin kieltäjistä levittää juttujaan netistä, eli tarvitaan melkoinen stasin kaltainen organisaatio jotta voitaisiin rangaista kaikkia holokaustin kieltäviä mielipiteiden esittäjiä. Totalitarismia vastaan taisteleminen mielipiteiden kieltämisellä on myöskin järjenvastainen ja epälooginen idea.
The previous attitude was that history does not require official recognition to be true, nor is it damaged by someone denying it.
But I do get the point here, at least to some degree, as holocaust denial has become such a prevalent tool for some extreme fringe organizations, and we have a border neighbour actively spewing out propaganda that tries to paint all western countries as some sort of nazis.
They promised democracy and liberty but gave “the truth or else…..”
I fucking hate Nazis, but this seems like a violation of basic rights to be able to say what you want yknow. Like what if they go further and passes a law that bans speaking out against the government when they are doing wrong
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