No evidence of genocide in Gaza, UK lawyers say in arms export case | Arms trade

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/13/no-evidence-of-genocide-in-gaza-uk-lawyers-say-in-arms-export-case

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  3. 1. Hamas started the war.
    2. By Hamas’ own count, 40,000 Palestinians died in the first year of the war

    3. By Hamas’ own count, less than 10,000 Palestinians died in the second year of the war

    4. Aid has been consistently flowing into Gaza from Egypt AND Israel with a few pauses that were almost immediately lifted every time.

    5. The leader of Hamas that was killed was once a prisoner in Israel. He had a life threatening condition that required brain surgery, Israel provided it for free and saved his life.

    6. Israel has Muslim Arab parliament members, a Muslim Arab supreme court justice, and Muslim Arabs working as professors at its universities.

    7. Israel has peaceful relations with Jordan and Egypt, Muslim Arab majority nations. It’s actually super easy to get along with Israel, just don’t attack.

    8. The ‘new’ leader of Hamas may have died yesterday in Gaza. He was operating immediately under a working hospital, one of countless examples of Hamas purposely endangering citizens so that they die for negative online clout.

    9. After a year into the war, Israel took over a major Hamas base that was right under UNWRA headquarters. Since then, they have been able to keep the civilian population largely out of harms way, though imperfectly, which is why the death toll was largely reduced in the second year of fighting.

    Taken together. The conclusion is that this is a messy and ugly war. But it is not a genocide.

  4. I mean theyre not wrong…i hate israel, but theyre not rounding up civilians and executing them. There are civilian casualties in war. Theres no getting around that.

  5. I too find myself stretching definitions to avoid responsibility when it suits me

  6. Doesn’t need to have label to still be fucked up.

  7. Using genocide to describe a war that has killed 55,000+ people over a span of 2-3 years is already disingenuous af but these people also added apartheid to the equation, and now I think they have no clue what they’re talking about. How can you systematically apartheid an ethnic group that you’re also genociding? What is that? Delayed gratification? I kinda hate that I look like I’m defending Netanyahu’s insane government every time I bring this up but can y’all look up the definitions of the words you use before you shout them from the top of your lungs????

    It’s thought-terminating af.

  8. Lawyers hired to make a case so our government can keep selling Israel weapons?

    Forgive me, but I don’t know if they’re going to be the final word on this for anyone sensible…

  9. “The government is seeking to defend itself in a judicial review brought over allegations that it acted unlawfully in continuing to sell F-35 parts and components to a global pool, even though some of those components might be used by Israel in Gaza in a way that the government regards as a breach of international law.”

    They are just trying to cover their asses for being greedy.
    This is essentially a defense lawyer going to the back with a client and coming back saying he investigated his client and found him innocent.
    WE’VE INVESTIGATED OURSELVES AND FOUND NO WRONGDOING!

  11. That guy being stabbed hasn’t been murdered, he’s still alive

  12. Hamass are goat fkrs who deserve everything that happens to them. yahya sinwar and all the other “leaders” like him who have been wiped out are currently getting railed by Satan’s molten rod in hell.

  13. “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it”

    -Upton Sinclair

  15. I can generally think that Israel and Hamas are acting badly, and that stupidity and arrogance have lead directly to this conflict. Hamas is a terrorist organization. Israel is just short of a terrorist state. There are no good guys here, only maybe less bad guys depending on what side of the aisle you’re on.

  18. Wild how people will stare facts dead in the eyes time and time again but deny them because it doesn’t align with their preconceived notion based on propaganda, a gut feeling and good ol’ antisemitism.

  20. My view on this is that the government lawyers are asking the people who are taking them to court to prove an aspect of the case.
    It may not have good optics but it’s how judicial reviews should work.

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