Putin’s demands for peace include an end to NATO enlargement, sources say

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1. SUBMISSION STATEMENT: Putins demands for peace include a total ban on Nato expansion. Formally ruling out Nato membership for Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, and any other former Soviet Republic. This is unsurprisingly unacceptable to Ukraine and dead on arrival in the peace process.

2. That’s likely. /s

3. IMO: Putin is tipping his hand. By demanding nato can’t expand Into any former Soviet country he is claiming them as his and on his list for conquest. This is clearly not going to happen since Ukraine will never accept it and Ukraine can fight on even without western support. But it shows that putin in not interested in peace terms that would be acceptable. He wants Ukraine, and Georgia, and Moldova, and Armenia, and Azerbaijan, and the Baltics, and Belarus, and Poland. He will not stop unless he is stopped!

   No more appeasement

4. This war was never caused by NATO. NATO was never going to attack a nuclear-armed Russia in the 21st century. To my knowledge, there’s no formal clause that prohibits Russia from joining NATO—they could have applied as well. There was also no written agreement between Russia and the West to limit the number of NATO members. In fact, about a decade ago, Gorbachev clarified that there was never any such clause or promise.

   [https://www.interpretermag.com/russia-this-week-hundreds-of-russians-poisoned-25-dead-in-spice-drug-epidemic/](https://www.interpretermag.com/russia-this-week-hundreds-of-russians-poisoned-25-dead-in-spice-drug-epidemic/)

   This war has always been about Putin’s desire to restrain Ukraine and keep it submissive under his sphere of influence. And at the end of the day, it is up to the diplomats in Ukraine to decide whether they want to join NATO or not.

   I have notice many people reusing Mearsheimer’s analysis of NATO expansion to legitimize Russia’s actions. The issue is that it consistently underplays the agency of Eastern European diplomats and their legitimate security concerns for why they chose to join NATO.

5. Wouldn’t the world be better if Putin was, well you know, gone? He causes so much strife and pain in so many countries. Seems odd there have been no attempts over the years.

6. Ok, so let’s imagine the West agrees not to enlarge NATO. What stops them from breaking this promise in 5 years? Especially with a less trust worthy US government in 4 years

7. I mean… there is no end to this war without at least Ukraine committing to not join NATO

   Having this war be about de facto NATO membership for Ukraine is both a recipe for total Ukrainian annexation, an attempt to hold NATO hostage, and legitimizes Putins original casus belli

8. NATO: Howabout “No”?

9. That’s funny because him starting this war caused additional countries to get nervous and joined NATO

10. That was also part of Russian December 2021 ultimatum to NATO. Together with a demand not to deploy NATO forces in country that joined after May 1997. They did not clarify whether that included the armed forces of those nations as well.

    [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2021_Russian_ultimatum_to_NATO](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2021_Russian_ultimatum_to_NATO)

11. An agreement with Russia can not include terms that make it easier for Russia to continue its aggression, be it restrictions on Ukrainian army or sovereignty or, lifting sanctions.

12. Russia aims to get maximize it original war goals. Goals remain the same. Not exactly news is it, Putin message and goal been clear. Collapse of soviet union and Russia decline from great power was a mistake. He wants a sphere of influence and views the west as weak. Wants to rebuild the soviet union and views Russia at war with Europe.

13. Like he is in the position to ask for anything.

14. …and a unicorn.

    The dude doesn’t want peace. That’s what going to war means…intentionally going from peace to not peace

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