The government can fund more BTP people any time they want, or indeed start to reverse the 15 year long fucking cultural and economic decline of Britain whenever they feel the urge.
Edit: also, is 5% a lot? They don’t find any space to include any context, at all, until paragraph 94, which says
> Across the Tube, Overground, buses, DLR, and Elizabeth line, 3.4 per cent of people using the service did not pay the fare over the last financial year – a small drop from 3.8 per cent in 2023/24. While 4.7 per cent skip paying the fare on the Tube, according to TfL data from 2024/25.
So………….
It’s better overall than last year? And the article doesn’t even say if the tube dodge rate is up or down?
The fucking state of this pretend newspaper, jesus christ.
Maybe make transport more affordable then? Lol
If it’s costing them millions why aren’t their guards on every platform who can actually tackle these little bastards from jumping the turnstiles?
i mean it’s expensive af. i know it’s wrong but bro, it’s expensive af.
Rather than think the solution is more police, who can’t be everywhere at once even if far more heavily resourced, it should be about the moral action.
Instead of it being perceived as cool it should be positioned as something to be embarrassed about.
Telling people they cost TfL millions isn’t a deterant. Nor is the small risk of getting caught. But your friends ripping into you because you are so cheap you jump a fair would be a deterant.
Its currently socially acceptable. Making it socially unacceptable takes society and that should be a nudge not a police action.
Should be free
Maybe if petty crime wasn’t effectively decriminalised this would happen less
Public transport should be free
Direct consequence of making it the most expensive public transport in the world I’m afraid. If there is another price increase more people will fare dodge and thus the cycle will continue.
We should bring back those angels?
Only 5% of people dodge fares. Not too bad I’d say.
I still think 130m is less than the cost to enforce it , knowing the people are either (a) addicts or homeless (b) teenagers who have done this since time eternal (c) petty criminals . It’s not normal working people doing this is it
Commuting is really expensive, the way gov offered lines to private companies on a franchise model is bollocks. So i dont blame anyone who dodges fares
Fake news at best for corporations benefits and telling us the ordinary people are crooks but the fat cats and government losing type crap..
If they are sure that if 1 in 20 dodging fees then how do they know that sure? If they caught and are definitely sure then these are caught and fined. They are dodging if they are caught aren’t they?
Don’t believe that figure at all
I had a teenager follow me through the barrier the other day and then thank me. I pointed out I didn’t know he was there, he just did it and he replied “London is free if you know what you’re doing”. These kids have grown up with no repercussions, they don’t see it as anything wrong.
>Also, last time I looked the biggest issue with fare evasion was still “dumbelling”.
>This is when travellers from outside London don’t buy a ticket at a regional station with no barriers, and use an Oyster card to tap out in London.
>So they pay maximum zonal LONDON fare without the regional bit /1
Well it could be Paris.
You could write that 95% of people pay their dues and then you realise, actually it’s not that bad.
Would be good to have a comparison if the data is available vs. other major cities, although I appreciate anecdotely that so many people jump the gates these days.
Surely the main cause of this is the floppy gates on the underground . Back in the day they would slam shut on you
I swear this gets posted every month if not even less..
Easy solution, make the tube free.
In 2024 combined passenger revenue from the London Underground was £2.5 billion in that period
5% of that is £125 million in lost revenue.
Let’s say we employ an additional 200 BTP at 50k a year to make key hotspot stations safer and catch faredodgers, that’s only 10 million a year, but public confidence and crime reduction and fare dodging reduction will more than make up for this.
My personal thoughts is that we as a society are too far gone in the feckless direction. There is a growing minority and culture festering that realises they can get away with fare dodging, shop lifting and phone theft, and we won’t put in the resources to reverse this.
Make travel free for under 18s, then impose heavy fines if broken over 18.
Yeah, London public transport is **crazy expensive** compared to most major cities. A Zone 1–2 monthly Travelcard is around **£160**, which is over **$200 USD**. Even single Tube fares can go up to **£6.70** depending on zones and time of day. And that’s before even touching trains like the Overground or National Rail.
Compare that to:
* **NYC**: $132 for an unlimited monthly MetroCard. Flat fare per ride, much simpler.
* **Paris**: €86.40 gets you a monthly Navigo pass that covers **all zones**, metro, buses, even RER out to the suburbs. And its 2.50 a journey for a single ticket regardless of area
* **Berlin**: €86 for Zones AB (enough for most people). Super efficient and cheaper.
* **Tokyo**: Pay per distance, but monthly passes for regular commutes are usually **cheaper than London**. And the system actually works.
* **Singapore**: Also distance-based. Monthly cap around £70 equivalent. Super clean, efficient, and reliable.
London’s system is extensive, yeah, but you really pay through the nose for it—and don’t even get guaranteed reliability. Most other cities offer better value, especially for monthly passes. Honestly feels like we’re getting mugged a bit. 🙃 Especially when we have some of the worst wage growth to inflation rate of all these places its like an extra tax for getting to work.
They need to replace those fucking double barriers. Every single time someone fare dodges, it’s the double barriers. It’s really not rocket science.
India dealt with this by having a daily lottery. Have a ticket. Be in the draw for 10k.
5%… You are about to get up in arms over 5%. Is this misdirected anger?
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The government can fund more BTP people any time they want, or indeed start to reverse the 15 year long fucking cultural and economic decline of Britain whenever they feel the urge.
Edit: also, is 5% a lot? They don’t find any space to include any context, at all, until paragraph 94, which says
> Across the Tube, Overground, buses, DLR, and Elizabeth line, 3.4 per cent of people using the service did not pay the fare over the last financial year – a small drop from 3.8 per cent in 2023/24. While 4.7 per cent skip paying the fare on the Tube, according to TfL data from 2024/25.
So………….
It’s better overall than last year? And the article doesn’t even say if the tube dodge rate is up or down?
The fucking state of this pretend newspaper, jesus christ.
Maybe make transport more affordable then? Lol
If it’s costing them millions why aren’t their guards on every platform who can actually tackle these little bastards from jumping the turnstiles?
i mean it’s expensive af. i know it’s wrong but bro, it’s expensive af.
Rather than think the solution is more police, who can’t be everywhere at once even if far more heavily resourced, it should be about the moral action.
Instead of it being perceived as cool it should be positioned as something to be embarrassed about.
Telling people they cost TfL millions isn’t a deterant. Nor is the small risk of getting caught. But your friends ripping into you because you are so cheap you jump a fair would be a deterant.
Its currently socially acceptable. Making it socially unacceptable takes society and that should be a nudge not a police action.
Should be free
Maybe if petty crime wasn’t effectively decriminalised this would happen less
Public transport should be free
Direct consequence of making it the most expensive public transport in the world I’m afraid. If there is another price increase more people will fare dodge and thus the cycle will continue.
We should bring back those angels?
Only 5% of people dodge fares. Not too bad I’d say.
I still think 130m is less than the cost to enforce it , knowing the people are either (a) addicts or homeless (b) teenagers who have done this since time eternal (c) petty criminals . It’s not normal working people doing this is it
Commuting is really expensive, the way gov offered lines to private companies on a franchise model is bollocks. So i dont blame anyone who dodges fares
Fake news at best for corporations benefits and telling us the ordinary people are crooks but the fat cats and government losing type crap..
If they are sure that if 1 in 20 dodging fees then how do they know that sure? If they caught and are definitely sure then these are caught and fined. They are dodging if they are caught aren’t they?
Don’t believe that figure at all
I had a teenager follow me through the barrier the other day and then thank me. I pointed out I didn’t know he was there, he just did it and he replied “London is free if you know what you’re doing”. These kids have grown up with no repercussions, they don’t see it as anything wrong.
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>Also, last time I looked the biggest issue with fare evasion was still “dumbelling”.
>This is when travellers from outside London don’t buy a ticket at a regional station with no barriers, and use an Oyster card to tap out in London.
>So they pay maximum zonal LONDON fare without the regional bit /1
Well it could be Paris.
You could write that 95% of people pay their dues and then you realise, actually it’s not that bad.
Would be good to have a comparison if the data is available vs. other major cities, although I appreciate anecdotely that so many people jump the gates these days.
Surely the main cause of this is the floppy gates on the underground . Back in the day they would slam shut on you
I swear this gets posted every month if not even less..
Easy solution, make the tube free.
In 2024 combined passenger revenue from the London Underground was £2.5 billion in that period
5% of that is £125 million in lost revenue.
Let’s say we employ an additional 200 BTP at 50k a year to make key hotspot stations safer and catch faredodgers, that’s only 10 million a year, but public confidence and crime reduction and fare dodging reduction will more than make up for this.
My personal thoughts is that we as a society are too far gone in the feckless direction. There is a growing minority and culture festering that realises they can get away with fare dodging, shop lifting and phone theft, and we won’t put in the resources to reverse this.
Make travel free for under 18s, then impose heavy fines if broken over 18.
Yeah, London public transport is **crazy expensive** compared to most major cities. A Zone 1–2 monthly Travelcard is around **£160**, which is over **$200 USD**. Even single Tube fares can go up to **£6.70** depending on zones and time of day. And that’s before even touching trains like the Overground or National Rail.
Compare that to:
* **NYC**: $132 for an unlimited monthly MetroCard. Flat fare per ride, much simpler.
* **Paris**: €86.40 gets you a monthly Navigo pass that covers **all zones**, metro, buses, even RER out to the suburbs. And its 2.50 a journey for a single ticket regardless of area
* **Berlin**: €86 for Zones AB (enough for most people). Super efficient and cheaper.
* **Tokyo**: Pay per distance, but monthly passes for regular commutes are usually **cheaper than London**. And the system actually works.
* **Singapore**: Also distance-based. Monthly cap around £70 equivalent. Super clean, efficient, and reliable.
London’s system is extensive, yeah, but you really pay through the nose for it—and don’t even get guaranteed reliability. Most other cities offer better value, especially for monthly passes. Honestly feels like we’re getting mugged a bit. 🙃 Especially when we have some of the worst wage growth to inflation rate of all these places its like an extra tax for getting to work.
They need to replace those fucking double barriers. Every single time someone fare dodges, it’s the double barriers. It’s really not rocket science.
India dealt with this by having a daily lottery. Have a ticket. Be in the draw for 10k.
5%… You are about to get up in arms over 5%. Is this misdirected anger?
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