> A Tory MP has been called an “anti-science extremist” and accused of trumpeting a “discredited conspiracy theory” over claims on Covid vaccines made to parliament.
> Sir Christopher Chope has been shut down by MPs, campaigners and experts over comments made on Thursday, which were branded “ridiculous” and “offensive”.
> The Convervative veteran said in parliament: “Does my Right Honourable Gentleman accept there is another NHS treatment disaster in the making in the fact there may be 10,000 or more people who have suffered serious injury or even death as a result of adverse reactions to the Covid-19 vaccinations?”
> He called for “justice for these people immediately”.
> The House of Commons speaker responded by saying Sir Christopher was “normally better than than” and calling it a “poor effort”.
> Martin McKee from Independent Sage group of experts told The Independent: “The speaker’s response said it all. This comment is so ridiculous that it doesn’t justify a comment.”
> Daisy Cooper, the Liberal Democrats health spokesperson, said there was “absolutely no reliable evidence” backing up claims tens of thousands have suffered damage or died from the Covid jab.
> “This is dangerous misinformation based on the Yellow Card Scheme of self-reported symptoms that is often used by anti-vaxxers to discredit the Covid-19 vaccine,” she said.
> Wes Streeting, the shadow health secretary, also dismissed the claims. “This is baseless offensive and wrong. Why do the Conservatives tolerate these anti-science extremists in their party?”
> A spokesperson for the Covid-19 Bereaved Families for Justice campaign group told The Independent: “Every loss from either Covid-19 or the vaccine is a complete tragedy, however the ‘10,000’ figure Mr Chope cites is a discredited conspiracy theory.”
> “Vaccines have moved us out of the worst of the pandemic and saved countless lives, so to make these comments when cases are rising and vaccine take up is falling is extremely irresponsible. Frankly, it’s terrifying to hear in the House of Commons, where life and death public health decisions are being made.”
> More than 52 million people in the UK have received one vaccine dose for Covid, while 49 million have received a second and 38.8 million a booster.
> The British government says vaccination is the “single most effective way to reduce deaths and severe illness” from Covid.
> In the first two years of the pandemic, around 187,000 people in the UK have Covid on their death certificate.
> Sir Christopher has been approached for comment by The Independent.
Reads headline, “bet it’s Chope”… checks and yes it is
Arsehole
Corpse lookin mother fucker denying the same science that’s kept his rotten ticker ticking far past its use by date. Peak conservative.
Not only is this cunt an elected official.
He’s got an honors.
Fuck this country sometimes, seriously.
This is the sort of shit you expect to see in the USA – and yet here we are – a bloody Knight of the Realm no less, spouting nonsense. We should have a mechanism for stripping such honors from these clowns.
He reads like a very unpleasant person – certainly holds some unusual views.
> The House of Commons speaker responded by saying Sir Christopher was “normally better than than” and calling it a “poor effort”.
He’s definitely not “normally better than that”, this sort of conspiracy theory bullshit is how he rolls.
> “This is dangerous misinformation based on the Yellow Card Scheme of self-reported symptoms that is often used by anti-vaxxers to discredit the Covid-19 vaccine,” she said.
>
> Wes Streeting, the shadow health secretary, also dismissed the
claims. “This is baseless offensive and wrong.”
It’s either based on something, or it’s baseless. Perhaps the shadow health secretary and Daisy Cooper, the Liberal Democrats health spokesperson need to talk this out; neither would want to be spreading ‘misinformation’.
As for where the theorising of a conspiracy enters into the assertion, be it true or false, that a given number of people have had serious adverse reactions to an injection, I cannot say.
> A spokesperson for the Covid-19 Bereaved Families for Justice campaign group told The Independent: “Every loss from either Covid-19 or the vaccine is a complete tragedy, however the ‘10,000’ figure Mr Chope cites is a discredited conspiracy theory.”
Presumably 1,000, or perhaps 5,000 deaths, would not necessitate a conspiracy? The attentive reader will note that, per this article, not only the figure but the vaccine have been ‘discredited’, for whatever that’s worth.
Personally, I think we have much, much worse problems to worry about than those who are ‘anti-science’: most of our public figures seem to be outright *anti-reason*.
> “Frankly, it’s terrifying to hear in the House of Commons, where life and death public health decisions are being made.”
Quite.
Wtf are people talking about over 1500 people have died from the vaccine and a 10’s of thousands have had health problems minor to major from it. You’re denying the science in this circumstance. Obviously the vaccine helped more than it hurt and Idk the history of this guy but he’s not totally wrong on this one.
A great thing to say when your constituency has the greatest proportion of over 85s in the country and will have taken the vaccine in droves.
This dude may have drawn false conclusions from the “Yellow Card” data or whatever it is, so I appreciate that point, but other than that why is it so wrong to talk about the potential effects of the vaccine on some people?
Isn’t this how things like the Windrush scandal come about, when a small group of people are outright ignored by a lot of people? Pretty sad to think that IF any adverse effects from the vaccine are present, we’ll only find out about them in a few years time when the focus shifts from “you must get the vaccine” to “were they effective?”
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> A Tory MP has been called an “anti-science extremist” and accused of trumpeting a “discredited conspiracy theory” over claims on Covid vaccines made to parliament.
> Sir Christopher Chope has been shut down by MPs, campaigners and experts over comments made on Thursday, which were branded “ridiculous” and “offensive”.
> The Convervative veteran said in parliament: “Does my Right Honourable Gentleman accept there is another NHS treatment disaster in the making in the fact there may be 10,000 or more people who have suffered serious injury or even death as a result of adverse reactions to the Covid-19 vaccinations?”
> He called for “justice for these people immediately”.
> The House of Commons speaker responded by saying Sir Christopher was “normally better than than” and calling it a “poor effort”.
> Martin McKee from Independent Sage group of experts told The Independent: “The speaker’s response said it all. This comment is so ridiculous that it doesn’t justify a comment.”
> Daisy Cooper, the Liberal Democrats health spokesperson, said there was “absolutely no reliable evidence” backing up claims tens of thousands have suffered damage or died from the Covid jab.
> “This is dangerous misinformation based on the Yellow Card Scheme of self-reported symptoms that is often used by anti-vaxxers to discredit the Covid-19 vaccine,” she said.
> Wes Streeting, the shadow health secretary, also dismissed the claims. “This is baseless offensive and wrong. Why do the Conservatives tolerate these anti-science extremists in their party?”
> A spokesperson for the Covid-19 Bereaved Families for Justice campaign group told The Independent: “Every loss from either Covid-19 or the vaccine is a complete tragedy, however the ‘10,000’ figure Mr Chope cites is a discredited conspiracy theory.”
> “Vaccines have moved us out of the worst of the pandemic and saved countless lives, so to make these comments when cases are rising and vaccine take up is falling is extremely irresponsible. Frankly, it’s terrifying to hear in the House of Commons, where life and death public health decisions are being made.”
> More than 52 million people in the UK have received one vaccine dose for Covid, while 49 million have received a second and 38.8 million a booster.
> The British government says vaccination is the “single most effective way to reduce deaths and severe illness” from Covid.
> In the first two years of the pandemic, around 187,000 people in the UK have Covid on their death certificate.
> Sir Christopher has been approached for comment by The Independent.
[Also here’s a fact check on the MP Chris Chope’s claims](https://fullfact.org/health/christopher-chope-vaccine-damage-bill/)
Reads headline, “bet it’s Chope”… checks and yes it is
Arsehole
Corpse lookin mother fucker denying the same science that’s kept his rotten ticker ticking far past its use by date. Peak conservative.
Not only is this cunt an elected official.
He’s got an honors.
Fuck this country sometimes, seriously.
This is the sort of shit you expect to see in the USA – and yet here we are – a bloody Knight of the Realm no less, spouting nonsense. We should have a mechanism for stripping such honors from these clowns.
He reads like a very unpleasant person – certainly holds some unusual views.
> The House of Commons speaker responded by saying Sir Christopher was “normally better than than” and calling it a “poor effort”.
He’s definitely not “normally better than that”, this sort of conspiracy theory bullshit is how he rolls.
> “This is dangerous misinformation based on the Yellow Card Scheme of self-reported symptoms that is often used by anti-vaxxers to discredit the Covid-19 vaccine,” she said.
>
> Wes Streeting, the shadow health secretary, also dismissed the
claims. “This is baseless offensive and wrong.”
It’s either based on something, or it’s baseless. Perhaps the shadow health secretary and Daisy Cooper, the Liberal Democrats health spokesperson need to talk this out; neither would want to be spreading ‘misinformation’.
As for where the theorising of a conspiracy enters into the assertion, be it true or false, that a given number of people have had serious adverse reactions to an injection, I cannot say.
> A spokesperson for the Covid-19 Bereaved Families for Justice campaign group told The Independent: “Every loss from either Covid-19 or the vaccine is a complete tragedy, however the ‘10,000’ figure Mr Chope cites is a discredited conspiracy theory.”
Presumably 1,000, or perhaps 5,000 deaths, would not necessitate a conspiracy? The attentive reader will note that, per this article, not only the figure but the vaccine have been ‘discredited’, for whatever that’s worth.
Personally, I think we have much, much worse problems to worry about than those who are ‘anti-science’: most of our public figures seem to be outright *anti-reason*.
> “Frankly, it’s terrifying to hear in the House of Commons, where life and death public health decisions are being made.”
Quite.
Wtf are people talking about over 1500 people have died from the vaccine and a 10’s of thousands have had health problems minor to major from it. You’re denying the science in this circumstance. Obviously the vaccine helped more than it hurt and Idk the history of this guy but he’s not totally wrong on this one.
A great thing to say when your constituency has the greatest proportion of over 85s in the country and will have taken the vaccine in droves.
This dude may have drawn false conclusions from the “Yellow Card” data or whatever it is, so I appreciate that point, but other than that why is it so wrong to talk about the potential effects of the vaccine on some people?
Isn’t this how things like the Windrush scandal come about, when a small group of people are outright ignored by a lot of people? Pretty sad to think that IF any adverse effects from the vaccine are present, we’ll only find out about them in a few years time when the focus shifts from “you must get the vaccine” to “were they effective?”