Bout time, needs to be ramped up anyone who shouldn’t be here should be turned around in a matter of days and held at a facility until the application is passed or denied then either let in or sent on their way.
Does the plane only have a 30 person capacity ? Also rather than do these drawn out charter flights why aren’t Deportation orders enforced upon being delivered ?
Nobody should be here illegally, that’s just common sense.
The problem I have is, if I were to applaud this on Twitter the lefties would round on me and the far right would hoist me on their shoulders.
This topic has become too polarizing and exhausting.
Gonna be slated and downvoted to oblivion for this, but it’s not enough at a time and way too slow a process.
We should also be deporting anyone found guilty of a crime or serving time already here. Plane seat is way cheaper than a prison sentence. Work with their home nation and send them back to serve the sentence there.
Then use the freed up prison spaces to get some of the home grown scumbags punished.
Good.
The idea and the act of giving asylum is the absolute best of humanity, it’s supporting fellow humans, strangers from far away lands with very little in common, other than the pain of human suffering – and supporting those who are genuinely in need – is such a noble thing we as a society are doing and it’s nothing short of amazing.
Anyone abusing such a system – is willingly deniying those who actually need the system a fair chance. It’s like snaching the food off someone who is genuinely starving. Those who abuse the asylum system should have the book thrown at them for sure – even if it’s expensive for the state to do so.
I wish we could also somehow deport some of the homegrown degenerates.. say a very generous 12 offenses, and then off you on a plane to somewhere with no option of coming back.
Deportations such as this are mired in political baggage.
You’ll have people cheering it on, people claiming it’s not enough, people dead against it… some for good reasons and others not.
On a very basic human level, aside from the left/right politics we’re now so used to, I think we need to have faith in the system which evaluates asylum claims. I want to be sure that those who do need asylum get it and those who are denied are denied for the right reasons too.
In Ireland I have faith that the decisions taken are fair. What I don’t have faith in, is the process which handles it.
Yes, some people take advantage and delay as long as possible, but for the most part it’s simply lack of capacity to deal with the numbers that causes delays. It is, and should, a complex and comprehensive process to ensure that the right decisions are being made.
If you have then been here far longer to then have your claim denied it makes it a far more complex issue to remove people (particularly where children are involved), and that does need to be taken into account.
It seems things are improving. The numbers of deportation orders are increasing and that’s, on the face of it, a good thing. But as I understand it those who undertake Voluntary return aren’t counted so there are more leaving than the figures suggest.
I don’t think any of this satiates the “Ireland for the Irish” thugs, but they really shouldn’t be appealed to by the Govt anyway.
There’s a right way & a wrong way to go about this. This is the right way.
Fact is there’s strongmen lads looking to get into power across the world. They’d go full on corrupt and grab at your pockets in ways the brown envelope crowd could only dream of, but they need your votes to get in and look legit. Their best bet, as it has been for centuries, is to make noise about immigrants being a bunch of bastards.
Because of *this* noise, you can’t get the right words about what to do out. It’s too similar to what they’re saying. Decent people want the i’s dotted and t’s crossed, while the strongmen don’t give a sh*t as long as the forriner’s not visible and they can go ”BANG! And the dirt is gone!” and get plaudits from the sc-m of the earth.
What the public knows your adversary knows. What are you comfortable with your adversary knowing?
Social welfare should also be reviewed. If you have moved from another eu country and have never worked here, you should not be eligible for free housing, and payments should be very low. Everyone has to contribute. No free meals
Hope they make it in time to Lagos, just to catch the flight back to Dublin.
10-15 years too late
We keep comparing ourselves to Denmark – who are absolutely master classing their immigration right now. We should send the entire Dail over there to see how to fix it.
The numbers of deportations need to be increased rapidly.
On the bright side the dam has finally cracked on people discussing are not discussing the immigration topic. This country is about a year or two away from becoming very nationalist I would say.
>O’Callaghan added that the people on board “had received but had not complied with Deportation Orders”.
What is the Govt trying to achieve by serving deportation orders in the hopes that people will voluntarily leave if in a few month’s or year’s time afterwards we have to charter a flight to force the deportations anyway? If we serve someone with a deportation order we should be arresting them and deporting them on the first flight available. Waiting to see if they self-deport means they can possibly disappear in the country and evade the consequences. Does the Govt release data on how many people who have been served with deportation orders have *actually* left on their own accord? Because I’d wager that number is extremely low.
I know it’s a small number of people, but as the average cost of accommodating an asylum seeker for one year is now €30,000, that’s a saving of €900,000 per year on accommodation alone.
The savings to the taxpayer would be immense if the government actually began to tackle the issue.
1. Expedite cases so that genuine refugees are granted their status and brought into the workforce as soon as possible, so they too can be shafted for tax like true Irish citizens.
2. Deport failed applicants immediately to cut down on accommodation costs and to act as a deterrent to others who may be thinking of coming to Ireland to claim asylum under false pretenses.
3. Reduce the amount of legal recourse available to failed applicants, and cut funding to NGOs that take legal action against the state on behalf of rejected applicants.
4. Push for EU sanctions against countries with a high number of applicants. For example if Nigeria is unsafe for the LGBT+ community, (i.e. applicants are being granted for this reason), EU wide sanctions should be enforced against these countries for example an Embargo on Nigerian Oil or forbade BP, Shell or Total from doing business in these regions. I imagine they would start to address certain human rights issues after a little pressure from such companies.
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Bout time, needs to be ramped up anyone who shouldn’t be here should be turned around in a matter of days and held at a facility until the application is passed or denied then either let in or sent on their way.
Does the plane only have a 30 person capacity ? Also rather than do these drawn out charter flights why aren’t Deportation orders enforced upon being delivered ?
Nobody should be here illegally, that’s just common sense.
The problem I have is, if I were to applaud this on Twitter the lefties would round on me and the far right would hoist me on their shoulders.
This topic has become too polarizing and exhausting.
Gonna be slated and downvoted to oblivion for this, but it’s not enough at a time and way too slow a process.
We should also be deporting anyone found guilty of a crime or serving time already here. Plane seat is way cheaper than a prison sentence. Work with their home nation and send them back to serve the sentence there.
Then use the freed up prison spaces to get some of the home grown scumbags punished.
Good.
The idea and the act of giving asylum is the absolute best of humanity, it’s supporting fellow humans, strangers from far away lands with very little in common, other than the pain of human suffering – and supporting those who are genuinely in need – is such a noble thing we as a society are doing and it’s nothing short of amazing.
Anyone abusing such a system – is willingly deniying those who actually need the system a fair chance. It’s like snaching the food off someone who is genuinely starving. Those who abuse the asylum system should have the book thrown at them for sure – even if it’s expensive for the state to do so.
I wish we could also somehow deport some of the homegrown degenerates.. say a very generous 12 offenses, and then off you on a plane to somewhere with no option of coming back.
Deportations such as this are mired in political baggage.
You’ll have people cheering it on, people claiming it’s not enough, people dead against it… some for good reasons and others not.
On a very basic human level, aside from the left/right politics we’re now so used to, I think we need to have faith in the system which evaluates asylum claims. I want to be sure that those who do need asylum get it and those who are denied are denied for the right reasons too.
In Ireland I have faith that the decisions taken are fair. What I don’t have faith in, is the process which handles it.
Yes, some people take advantage and delay as long as possible, but for the most part it’s simply lack of capacity to deal with the numbers that causes delays. It is, and should, a complex and comprehensive process to ensure that the right decisions are being made.
If you have then been here far longer to then have your claim denied it makes it a far more complex issue to remove people (particularly where children are involved), and that does need to be taken into account.
It seems things are improving. The numbers of deportation orders are increasing and that’s, on the face of it, a good thing. But as I understand it those who undertake Voluntary return aren’t counted so there are more leaving than the figures suggest.
I don’t think any of this satiates the “Ireland for the Irish” thugs, but they really shouldn’t be appealed to by the Govt anyway.
There’s a right way & a wrong way to go about this. This is the right way.
Fact is there’s strongmen lads looking to get into power across the world. They’d go full on corrupt and grab at your pockets in ways the brown envelope crowd could only dream of, but they need your votes to get in and look legit. Their best bet, as it has been for centuries, is to make noise about immigrants being a bunch of bastards.
Because of *this* noise, you can’t get the right words about what to do out. It’s too similar to what they’re saying. Decent people want the i’s dotted and t’s crossed, while the strongmen don’t give a sh*t as long as the forriner’s not visible and they can go ”BANG! And the dirt is gone!” and get plaudits from the sc-m of the earth.
What the public knows your adversary knows. What are you comfortable with your adversary knowing?
Social welfare should also be reviewed. If you have moved from another eu country and have never worked here, you should not be eligible for free housing, and payments should be very low. Everyone has to contribute. No free meals
Hope they make it in time to Lagos, just to catch the flight back to Dublin.
10-15 years too late
We keep comparing ourselves to Denmark – who are absolutely master classing their immigration right now. We should send the entire Dail over there to see how to fix it.
The numbers of deportations need to be increased rapidly.
On the bright side the dam has finally cracked on people discussing are not discussing the immigration topic. This country is about a year or two away from becoming very nationalist I would say.
>O’Callaghan added that the people on board “had received but had not complied with Deportation Orders”.
What is the Govt trying to achieve by serving deportation orders in the hopes that people will voluntarily leave if in a few month’s or year’s time afterwards we have to charter a flight to force the deportations anyway? If we serve someone with a deportation order we should be arresting them and deporting them on the first flight available. Waiting to see if they self-deport means they can possibly disappear in the country and evade the consequences. Does the Govt release data on how many people who have been served with deportation orders have *actually* left on their own accord? Because I’d wager that number is extremely low.
I know it’s a small number of people, but as the average cost of accommodating an asylum seeker for one year is now €30,000, that’s a saving of €900,000 per year on accommodation alone.
The savings to the taxpayer would be immense if the government actually began to tackle the issue.
1. Expedite cases so that genuine refugees are granted their status and brought into the workforce as soon as possible, so they too can be shafted for tax like true Irish citizens.
2. Deport failed applicants immediately to cut down on accommodation costs and to act as a deterrent to others who may be thinking of coming to Ireland to claim asylum under false pretenses.
3. Reduce the amount of legal recourse available to failed applicants, and cut funding to NGOs that take legal action against the state on behalf of rejected applicants.
4. Push for EU sanctions against countries with a high number of applicants. For example if Nigeria is unsafe for the LGBT+ community, (i.e. applicants are being granted for this reason), EU wide sanctions should be enforced against these countries for example an Embargo on Nigerian Oil or forbade BP, Shell or Total from doing business in these regions. I imagine they would start to address certain human rights issues after a little pressure from such companies.
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