Nice. Good. Time of easy rules are over. We really can’t afford it anymore.
Shouldn’t give permanent residence or citizenship to certain migrant groups with any requirements
I’m not sure how I feel about this, I do think the focus on integration is important, but the way they are going about some of these changes is just stupid at best. 40000 yearly income? There is lot of Finnish people who don’t even reach that kind of salary even if that sum was for gross and not net.
“Have a “high proficiency” in Finnish or Swedish and three years of work experience”… What’s counted as high profiency? I feel like this will be too vague and if you get an official who hates immigrants, they might end up wanting way higher proficiency from immigrants than someone who is indifferent or likes immigrants.
Lot of these feel more like harassment rather than actually wanting immigrants to integrate to Finnish society.
Basically, be rich or get out
I’m completely fine with these changes. They aren’t unreasonably difficult to achieve. Immigrants to any country should contribute and integrate if they want to stay permanently.
40k yearly income is not common in many parts of Finland, like what’s the point of that, it shows nothing of your attitude, capacity or integration; nothing.
Degrees and education recognized in Finland so like, other European countries degrees?… they won’t take eg. Somali education I bet because they never had, I’ve met engineers from foreign countries whose education is invalid in Finland, they still get jobs, why does the employer care?… and migri want a masters, that says nothing of competence, I’ve had to teach plenty of master’s degrees holders how to get the job done, they are very green and know very little on average, almost painfully so, I don’t know what they learn but apparently nothing useful; most masters degree holder in Finland are not very special, experience matters far far far far more, pick the guy with experience over the guy with masters degree 10 out of 10 times.
Alright work experience, fair enough, but what the hell is high proficiency in Finnish?… most people reach a moderate to basic proficiency in Finnish in the given years, it’s enough to go with day to day life, why high proficiency?… I checked the Spanish YKI example test the other day, spanish is my mother tongue, I didn’t do well because they way they consider “high proficiency” isn’t even realistic and laughable almost since there are so many ways to speak Spanish, how may I not know the same is to Finnish?… people use slang all the time in Finland, you are less integrated if you don’t know slang than if you correctly write partitives.
In short, this isn’t about integration or anything; this is about wedding people out and getting rid of them.
You know, with the rules like that, absolutely 0 solidarity and somehow even shittier services, I am really starting to wonder where the fuck are all the money I am paying in the taxes going. Like what the actual fuck.
>For example, the new rules will require applicants to have a longer period of residency before being eligible, **having some proficiency in Finnish or Swedish** as well as having worked in the country for a certain period of time.
Swedish? Why is that equal to Finnish in Finland?
Does this only apply for foreigners from outside the EU with no ties to Finland, or also to EU nationals with family ties to Finland?
Like I’m Dutch/Polish, my partner is Finnish, we have our wedding planned in the autumn of this year, and after the most recent election, same-sex marriage here in Poland is off the table for at least until 2030 because that asshole Nawrocki will veto it just like Duda did. Both me and my partner are on partial disability for autism, and our salaries are not nearly at the required level, and both of us get our incomes subsidised by Kela (them) and PFRON (me)
Finland was our plan B (Poland being our plan A) but after our recent elections, Finland was rapidly becoming plan A. Netherlands isn’t really an option because it’s nearly impossible to have a decent income there having ASD2, which is the reason I was staying in Poland in the first place.
We know that Finland’s government is not only tightening residence rules but also restricting citizenship too. We still don’t know the full extent of the upcoming citizenship law, but the direction is clear and it’s revealing an agenda to keep immigrants working, paying taxes, but permanently excluded from full membership in finnish society.
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Nice. Good. Time of easy rules are over. We really can’t afford it anymore.
Shouldn’t give permanent residence or citizenship to certain migrant groups with any requirements
I’m not sure how I feel about this, I do think the focus on integration is important, but the way they are going about some of these changes is just stupid at best. 40000 yearly income? There is lot of Finnish people who don’t even reach that kind of salary even if that sum was for gross and not net.
“Have a “high proficiency” in Finnish or Swedish and three years of work experience”… What’s counted as high profiency? I feel like this will be too vague and if you get an official who hates immigrants, they might end up wanting way higher proficiency from immigrants than someone who is indifferent or likes immigrants.
Lot of these feel more like harassment rather than actually wanting immigrants to integrate to Finnish society.
Basically, be rich or get out
I’m completely fine with these changes. They aren’t unreasonably difficult to achieve. Immigrants to any country should contribute and integrate if they want to stay permanently.
40k yearly income is not common in many parts of Finland, like what’s the point of that, it shows nothing of your attitude, capacity or integration; nothing.
Degrees and education recognized in Finland so like, other European countries degrees?… they won’t take eg. Somali education I bet because they never had, I’ve met engineers from foreign countries whose education is invalid in Finland, they still get jobs, why does the employer care?… and migri want a masters, that says nothing of competence, I’ve had to teach plenty of master’s degrees holders how to get the job done, they are very green and know very little on average, almost painfully so, I don’t know what they learn but apparently nothing useful; most masters degree holder in Finland are not very special, experience matters far far far far more, pick the guy with experience over the guy with masters degree 10 out of 10 times.
Alright work experience, fair enough, but what the hell is high proficiency in Finnish?… most people reach a moderate to basic proficiency in Finnish in the given years, it’s enough to go with day to day life, why high proficiency?… I checked the Spanish YKI example test the other day, spanish is my mother tongue, I didn’t do well because they way they consider “high proficiency” isn’t even realistic and laughable almost since there are so many ways to speak Spanish, how may I not know the same is to Finnish?… people use slang all the time in Finland, you are less integrated if you don’t know slang than if you correctly write partitives.
In short, this isn’t about integration or anything; this is about wedding people out and getting rid of them.
You know, with the rules like that, absolutely 0 solidarity and somehow even shittier services, I am really starting to wonder where the fuck are all the money I am paying in the taxes going. Like what the actual fuck.
>For example, the new rules will require applicants to have a longer period of residency before being eligible, **having some proficiency in Finnish or Swedish** as well as having worked in the country for a certain period of time.
Swedish? Why is that equal to Finnish in Finland?
Does this only apply for foreigners from outside the EU with no ties to Finland, or also to EU nationals with family ties to Finland?
Like I’m Dutch/Polish, my partner is Finnish, we have our wedding planned in the autumn of this year, and after the most recent election, same-sex marriage here in Poland is off the table for at least until 2030 because that asshole Nawrocki will veto it just like Duda did. Both me and my partner are on partial disability for autism, and our salaries are not nearly at the required level, and both of us get our incomes subsidised by Kela (them) and PFRON (me)
Finland was our plan B (Poland being our plan A) but after our recent elections, Finland was rapidly becoming plan A. Netherlands isn’t really an option because it’s nearly impossible to have a decent income there having ASD2, which is the reason I was staying in Poland in the first place.
We know that Finland’s government is not only tightening residence rules but also restricting citizenship too. We still don’t know the full extent of the upcoming citizenship law, but the direction is clear and it’s revealing an agenda to keep immigrants working, paying taxes, but permanently excluded from full membership in finnish society.
https://intermin.fi/hankkeet/kansalaisuuslain-uudistaminen
*Edit. Link added.*
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