If you vote for a racist party then you are a racist
So many options before voting Reform.
Most of us in the country are angry, those who aren’t are not paying attention or are benefitting. There needs to be a Left Wing option for those of us who are angry and see Reform as a continuation or escalation of the problem.
I can understand Swinney saying this as he doesn’t want to alienate the electorate.
Those of us who are not beholden to the electorate on the other hand are free to call these people what they are.
When I and my lefty friends get angry, we take it out on ourselves or sink into a depression. When these people get angry, they blame immigrants and want to hurt whole groups of people that don’t look or speak like them.
We are not the same and never will be.
Or just poorly educated, like the far right usually is.
Anyone I’ve spoken with who is pro-Reform has been racist.
If you let millionaire grifters convince you that immigrants are the reason your country is shite, you are both racist & easily fooled.
Things are getting worse for many – and the politicians say one thing do another and it’s still getting harder.
Easy to listen to the snake oil salesmen who blame it all on someone different and promise jam tomorrow as only they have the solutions.
No politician is ever going to give a real appraisal of where we are and our likely trajectory.
Not all Reform voters are racist, but all racists are Reform voters.
He was calling them racist last week?
What a fucking slimeball
Whatever Reform voters are their guy being a racist nazi conman wasn’t enough of a dealbreaker. That reflects terribly on every single Reform voter.
You’re either a mark to be used by conmen or you stand to personally profit off Reform’s success.
I will be voting Reform UK
It’s the only option the UK has left
Swinney really needs to get his head out his butt and work out that people are angry at the SNP as much as anyone else, though I agree with him that much of the Reform vote is an angry vote rather than a vote for what reform stands for.
At this point the Reform vote is still a protest vote – all by-elections have them and from reading a lot of people’s comments on voting for them it seems to be more “a plague on all your houses” vote than solid support.
People are angry at the main parties. SNP are seen as incompetent, out of touch and by many independence supporters as having abandoned independence as their primary goal.
Labour are seen as back stabbing, jobs for the boys careerists who sold the countries grannies out while rewarding big business and the rich.
Tories are….actually I have no idea what the tories are now as I can’t remember the last time I heard them discuss anything other than to simply oppose what other people are doing.
The Greens are marmite, you love them or hate them, they’ve reached their maximum level of support under the current leadership though I think.
Liberals are the protest party for nice middle class voters and people who have always voted for them and can’t really think of anyone else to vote for and no one else these days.
ALBA haven’t broken through, the far left parties are a busted flush….so at present Reform are the party of the protest vote.
One thing about Reform is that, in Scotland at least, I think there are several different groups voting for them. First off is the far right vote which has finally found a home, second is the protest voters who wanted to give the usual parties a scare, third are the disgruntled tories who will flock back home if the tories ever stop staring at their own navels and fourth, I hate to say it, is, I think, a significant group of independence supporters who actually see Reform as a way of provoking a crisis in the UK and increasing the support for independence.
Now people can shout “you’re racist” at other people based on this till they are blue in the face. Insults won’t stop anyone putting an X next to a reform candidate, in fact it probably makes it more likely, so the SNP and Labour need to withdraw their heads from their collective backsides and start addressing why people are angry if they want to stop Reform.
Which sadly seems to be the one thing none of our governing parties actually want to do.
Ah yes, anger – the most helpful and productive of all the emotions.
Isn’t this the same shit that just cost the USA Democrats their recent election? Instead of focussing on strengthening their own base and position, they put all their energy into trying to draw the opposition supporters to their side, thus splitting their own voters
Reform are gaining support on the back of historically high taxation, appalling public services and a failure to deliver any kind of value to the taxpayer.
It is interesting that he is saying this publically given that a few weeks ago he was trying to organise a cross party programme of exclusion aimed at Reform.
It suggests the SNP’s internal analytics indicate they lost a substantial number of votes directly to Reform.
Which is interesting- the prevailing narrative here was that the snp shed votes to Labour who in turn shed to Reform.
It’s very difficult for long term incumbents to fend off populists. No one in Europe has managed it since the migration crisis began.
The liberals in Canada did, but they weren’t facing an insurgent new populist movement like we have seen in most of Europe.
Idk the guy I drove past waving a sign to cars driving by seemed quite happy, looked like he was missing a few brain wrinkles though.
No. See my comments about the Middle East & slavery.
Nah
According to r/Scotland, Reform voters are: Racist, Misinformed, Dumb, Uneducated.
In fact we just see the reality. If millions and millions of immigrants come into this country, are you really going to lie to yourself and say that the NHS waiting times will go down, that house prices will go down?
It’s a simple fact: Population goes up, demand also goes up. We do NOT have millions of doctors and nurses flooding this country, especially on boat crossings.
We’re all angry but we don’t all lie down with racists
Not all Reform voters are racist.
But all racists vote Reform.
I remember BNP voters used today they weren’t racist as well.
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Many are both.
They can be both too
If you vote for a racist party then you are a racist
So many options before voting Reform.
Most of us in the country are angry, those who aren’t are not paying attention or are benefitting. There needs to be a Left Wing option for those of us who are angry and see Reform as a continuation or escalation of the problem.
I can understand Swinney saying this as he doesn’t want to alienate the electorate.
Those of us who are not beholden to the electorate on the other hand are free to call these people what they are.
When I and my lefty friends get angry, we take it out on ourselves or sink into a depression. When these people get angry, they blame immigrants and want to hurt whole groups of people that don’t look or speak like them.
We are not the same and never will be.
Or just poorly educated, like the far right usually is.
Anyone I’ve spoken with who is pro-Reform has been racist.
If you let millionaire grifters convince you that immigrants are the reason your country is shite, you are both racist & easily fooled.
Things are getting worse for many – and the politicians say one thing do another and it’s still getting harder.
Easy to listen to the snake oil salesmen who blame it all on someone different and promise jam tomorrow as only they have the solutions.
No politician is ever going to give a real appraisal of where we are and our likely trajectory.
Not all Reform voters are racist, but all racists are Reform voters.
He was calling them racist last week?
What a fucking slimeball
Whatever Reform voters are their guy being a racist nazi conman wasn’t enough of a dealbreaker. That reflects terribly on every single Reform voter.
You’re either a mark to be used by conmen or you stand to personally profit off Reform’s success.
I will be voting Reform UK
It’s the only option the UK has left
Swinney really needs to get his head out his butt and work out that people are angry at the SNP as much as anyone else, though I agree with him that much of the Reform vote is an angry vote rather than a vote for what reform stands for.
At this point the Reform vote is still a protest vote – all by-elections have them and from reading a lot of people’s comments on voting for them it seems to be more “a plague on all your houses” vote than solid support.
People are angry at the main parties. SNP are seen as incompetent, out of touch and by many independence supporters as having abandoned independence as their primary goal.
Labour are seen as back stabbing, jobs for the boys careerists who sold the countries grannies out while rewarding big business and the rich.
Tories are….actually I have no idea what the tories are now as I can’t remember the last time I heard them discuss anything other than to simply oppose what other people are doing.
The Greens are marmite, you love them or hate them, they’ve reached their maximum level of support under the current leadership though I think.
Liberals are the protest party for nice middle class voters and people who have always voted for them and can’t really think of anyone else to vote for and no one else these days.
ALBA haven’t broken through, the far left parties are a busted flush….so at present Reform are the party of the protest vote.
One thing about Reform is that, in Scotland at least, I think there are several different groups voting for them. First off is the far right vote which has finally found a home, second is the protest voters who wanted to give the usual parties a scare, third are the disgruntled tories who will flock back home if the tories ever stop staring at their own navels and fourth, I hate to say it, is, I think, a significant group of independence supporters who actually see Reform as a way of provoking a crisis in the UK and increasing the support for independence.
Now people can shout “you’re racist” at other people based on this till they are blue in the face. Insults won’t stop anyone putting an X next to a reform candidate, in fact it probably makes it more likely, so the SNP and Labour need to withdraw their heads from their collective backsides and start addressing why people are angry if they want to stop Reform.
Which sadly seems to be the one thing none of our governing parties actually want to do.
Ah yes, anger – the most helpful and productive of all the emotions.
Isn’t this the same shit that just cost the USA Democrats their recent election? Instead of focussing on strengthening their own base and position, they put all their energy into trying to draw the opposition supporters to their side, thus splitting their own voters
Reform are gaining support on the back of historically high taxation, appalling public services and a failure to deliver any kind of value to the taxpayer.
It is interesting that he is saying this publically given that a few weeks ago he was trying to organise a cross party programme of exclusion aimed at Reform.
It suggests the SNP’s internal analytics indicate they lost a substantial number of votes directly to Reform.
Which is interesting- the prevailing narrative here was that the snp shed votes to Labour who in turn shed to Reform.
It’s very difficult for long term incumbents to fend off populists. No one in Europe has managed it since the migration crisis began.
The liberals in Canada did, but they weren’t facing an insurgent new populist movement like we have seen in most of Europe.
Idk the guy I drove past waving a sign to cars driving by seemed quite happy, looked like he was missing a few brain wrinkles though.
No. See my comments about the Middle East & slavery.
Nah
According to r/Scotland, Reform voters are: Racist, Misinformed, Dumb, Uneducated.
In fact we just see the reality. If millions and millions of immigrants come into this country, are you really going to lie to yourself and say that the NHS waiting times will go down, that house prices will go down?
It’s a simple fact: Population goes up, demand also goes up. We do NOT have millions of doctors and nurses flooding this country, especially on boat crossings.
We’re all angry but we don’t all lie down with racists
Not all Reform voters are racist.
But all racists vote Reform.
I remember BNP voters used today they weren’t racist as well.
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