At least 18 schools across Scotland that previously offered only gender-neutral toilets are to create single-sex facilities following a legal ruling.
by Adm_Shelby2
At least 18 schools across Scotland that previously offered only gender-neutral toilets are to create single-sex facilities following a legal ruling.
by Adm_Shelby2
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trans people *must* be segregated from everyone else. that’s the rule in TERF Britain.
Can’t insult trans people to their face if you don’t have a segregated box to put them in
Thank god.
Read the caption, how is it acceptable for a school to have *only* gender neutral bathrooms? At least having single sex bathrooms as well should be standard
Going to be interesting considering this is against artcle 8 of human rights, they will have to provide gender neutral toilet for trans people or get sued…this going to be a huge waste of taxpayers money because a tiny minority of Bigots want to separate but equal racism laws brought back.
Next it will be LGBTQ rights and womans rights… these GERMs are tiny minority… Scotland is awesome and so sad that people like J K and For Woman Scotland are wasting so much of our taxpayers money….
As well as or instead of?
Never mind just read it.
It’s in addition to.
Wtf is the problem with that?!
Are we only ‘inclusive’ if it’s in 1 direction?
I don’t understand how this happened in the first place. Schools have always been subject to strict requirements.
The law is very clear on this and has been since the 60s.
Who was ignoring the regulations? Was it ignorance on the part of the Architects?
Why wasn’t this caught by the local authorities lawyers in the planning stages?
My highschool only had gender neutral toilets and I found it really uncomfortable and embarrassing at times like; buying tampon/pads at the machine, using a pad in the toilet since the wrapper makes a noise and using the mirror to fix my hair and makeup, it’s embarrassing doing things that are mostly specific to being a cis gendered female with cis males around.
I think there should be male and female toilets, as well as gender neutral.
Ah, more hubbub about toilets. I wonder what’s going on that this noise is needed to distract from this time.
As a staff member a lot of kids muck about in the toilets, it’s fair easier in my experience to resolve toilet issues in mixed toilets than in single sex toilets. Even single sex toilets there would be kids who were too scared to use them and would use disabled (mixed gender) use instead.
The mixed gender is separate cubicles anyone can use with big sinks for washing hands. None issue in my eyes.
A range of provisions is important, but it’s also incumbent on local authorities to make sure that these provisions are individually accessible and equitable and that people are empowered to choose whatever provisions are most appropriate for them, rather than having that decision made for them. That could concern things like the number of facilities, where they’re located throughout an estate, and the provisions within those facilities (think baby changing tables, which are too often only available in the womens toilets…)
An analogy I like to use here are prayer rooms – many buildings include specific prayer rooms and multifaith rooms designed for prayer, potentially with things like ablution stations for handwashing for Muslim prayer. Many people welcome these facilities and use them regularly, but people aren’t required to use them and can pray somewhere else if they want. However if someone did that for a number of years, didn’t receive any complaints, and were then told that they had to use the prayer room, I think most people would rightly be pretty pissed off about that.
I entered expecting the usual victims to be forcing tears and wasn’t dissatisfied 😂
My high school had 2 gender neutral single toilets one to be used during class time and the other next to a deputys office. The head teacher for years has been wanting money to fix every toilet at the school because they all constantly stopped working(if you flushed the toilet you had to wait 10 mins till it can flush again) and the class time toilet was constantly leaking. The whole floor of that bathroom was constantly soaked. Maybe giving schools money to fix toilets is a better use rather than “penises use this toilet,vaginas use this toilet” like when are they gonna make houses all have a Male and female bathroom? Its nonsense
Edit: leaving my original comment because I’m not a shitebag and will admit my error. A user commented [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Scotland/s/mDp4bljbvk) with the archived article showing the original headline. OP is innocent, I’ve given them it both barrels prematurely.
OC:
u/Adm_Shelby2 why did you change the headline from “schools to **create** single-sex toilets” to “**convert** gender-neutral toilets”? Could it be to stir up controversy, perhaps?
Take a look at how this story is being reported.
> In April, a judge ordered that Scottish schools must provide single-sex toilets for pupils, days after the Supreme Court ruled that a woman is defined by biological sex under equalities law.
This sentence implies that the Supreme Court ruling has some connection with the case. It also states that the judge at the Court of Session issued an *order* to provide single-sex toilets.
But that’s not what the case was about. **The case relates to the School Premises (General Requirements and Standards) (Scotland) Regulations 1967**. Which states that schools must conform to a number of regulations. And one of those regulations specifies the quantity and types of toilets that must be provided.
What the judge at the Court of Session ruled was that school buildings *must conform to the regulations governing school buildings***.** Which seems odd that it was even a matter that had to be brought to a court.
> The Scottish government said that local authorities have statutory responsibility for the school estate, including the provision of toilets.
This is a passing of responsibility. The regulations date back to 1967, and have not been updated. The Scottish government ran a consultation in 2017 about updating them, as the regulations *are* their responsibility. The report of that consultation was issued in 2018, and… nothing appears to have been done in the 7 years since then, and as such, regulations state that schools *must* have single-sex toilets available.
The 2017 consultation apparently resulted in nothing happening because of “a number of issues” which include COVID.
The topic has been brought to the Scottish Government again, and their response is… to *launch another consultation.*
Meanwhile many local authorities have been building schools with only gender-neutral toilets since before that consultation.
And that is in breach of their statutory responsibilities.
But… it seems that the Scottish Government is not capable of holding local authorities to account.
Simple google brings up links, one of which is the website of one of these single-sex campaigners, which obviously a lot of people aren’t going to like, so I’m not going to link it right now. However one of their posts on this issue brings up something that should be of concern. A response from the Scottish government to a question on accountability.
> A verifier is not entitled to verify any application in relation to which they have an interest, unless specifically permitted to do so by direction. At present, Scottish Ministers have directed each local authority that it may act as verifier for projects in which the authority has an interest subject to certain conditions.
**Local authorities are apparently allowed to certify their school buildings as conforming to the regulations, when they clearly don’t.**
> Scottish Ministers do not have general powers that would enable them to call a local authority to account for its actions in a matter such as this.
Great. So, the only recourse is to waste court time by bringing actions against local authorities, because there is no oversight.
So if the school buildings don’t conform to this part of the regulations, what others do they not comply with ? The fire safety regulations perhaps ?
**The Scottish government has control of the regulations, local authorities are obliged to follow those regulations, but if they don’t, then nothing happens unless a court action is brought. Which is a system open to corruption.**
As it should be.
Good stuff.
Wwll, our local school decided to do this, but they had a referendum first.
Whoever thinks a gender neutral bathroom in a secondary school is a good idea is daft. Most places it’s fine but not secondary schools
Did the uk give Isreal another few billion?
If only there as much obsession with the quality of the education provided than the shitters the building has.
Ah yes, fucking with trans people and yelling about toilers is far more important than what’s going on.
These are schools that have previously had single sex toilets and had converted to gender-neutral. I work for a construction company who in the last ten years had converted toilets to gender-neutral during the school holidays. Looks like this will just be the start of it.
Why do this?
A single cubicle should be competently gender neutral.
Tone deaf comments by the captured, deluded MRAs/TRAs as per
Keep talking about toilets the wealthy haven’t finished loading up all their swag bags yet.
Common sense wins, the world is healing
Single-sex toilets have been a requirement for years. Why is it now that *in addition* to having them and gender neutral toilets that it’s now an issue?
Trans rights are meant to be about a choice, but I don’t see people letting that happen here when they’re trying to advocate for them.
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