Poor conditions, better quality of life in other countries. Really simple.
There are if you provide good working conditions and pay.
Zero effort being made to improve working conditions.
Yeah but the way “good enough” is marked is by the ability to regurgitate information.
If someone just isn’t good at regurgitating information that is irrelevant to their life ambitions, they are just a write off. Sure they can Plc their way up but honestly, Who’s going to do 2 years + 4 years to do general nursing ?
There’s so many carers in nursing homes that are actually fantastic at what they do but were limited to being a carer due to school being difficult for them. Might I add, Half of them are actually doing nurses work in Nursing home due to lack thereof.
So one of the most expensive healthcare systems in Europe does not work well for patients and doctors alike. A truly outstanding job by the pack of cunts at FFFG
Was in the laya clinic myself a while back for a fracture. Anyway staff were so lovely and I got chatting to the nurse doing my cast and she said she had recently switched from working in the ED to doing this walk in clinic
I asked her why and she said she had to leave because she wasn’t able to do a good job and it killed her. Said she was sick of having to give the bare amount of care to people because of being stretched so thin.
It’s not about the money with these people (even though they should be paid more), it’s the staffing and workload. Fucking disgrace and I don’t blame her a bit for leaving to do something different but it’s sad that someone that skilled was now just doing casts at a walk in clinic.
Healthcare institutions and the hse have never bothered to improve working conditions for staff because they always figured they could just import more staff from abroad. Covid, high cost of living here and the massive global shortage of health staff means that ireland is no longer as attractive a place to come – and tbh, staff that the hospitals were importing weren’t being treated v well a lot of the time.
We need to be training more nurses here in ireland – but need to maintain standards for numeracy and literacy as patients, treatments and medications are getting more complex. There’s loads of lovely people who are lovely with patients…. but who would be a danger to the ward if left alone to do a drug round.
Carers do need to be up skilled and actually using the skills – I rarely saw HCAs checking blood pressures, etc on hospital wards yet they all had the fetac course done. Also need professional accountability and pay recognition for the hcas doing this with promotion pathways. Should reward the HCAs who do things properly and pay them more than the idiot who writes down “120/80” for everyone’s blood pressure and then hides in the sluice with their phone. Train copped on HCAs to do bloods and cannulation, and ecgs and a dozen other tasks.
Can’t speak to the doctoring side of things, but they do seem to have a lot of admin shite to deal with in hosptitals that is such a waste of their time. They studied medicine to be doctors, not battle paperwork. more clinical nurse specialists, more advanced nurse practitioners, more physicisns assistants , more admin support – i dont know what the solution there is but will be listening to the NCHDs.
There’s loads, they’ve just burned them all out. What they mean to say is that there’s nobody good enough left.
Would you leave a country where you pay 10-20% of your wage on your housing to move to Ireland where you pay 40-50% of your wage on housing, if you can even find housing in the first place??
There aren’t enough good people out there **AT THE LEVELS OF COMPENSATION BEING OFFERED**
Always remember to add this mentally whenever you hear about an employer being unable to fill a job role.
Amazingly I have never heard of someone saying that they would not work in a centra for 1 million quid.
While not every job can make you a millionaire, the onus should not be on the labour market to make employers happy.
It is wrong that we should expect there to be a capitalist market place when there is a big supply of labour to depress wages and then start bitching when employees have more leverage to compete for higher wages.
>While most health professionals don’t have “the luxury” of working from home generally, she says, many would like to work three or four days a week.
That sounds lovely. I would have loved to have done medicine, but the worklife balance put me completely off.
Bullshit. In my hospital the head of admin was denied by HR advertising grade 4 positions to try and entice people to go for the job
There was……they are all in Australia because the hse is a joke. Even when they came home to help with covid leaving good jobs abroad they were made pay they’re registration fees here and most were not given work so they all left again
The pay is garbage, what this person is basically saying is there aren’t enough (good people)- idiots to work for fuck all money, pay better and you’ll find that there are plenty of (good people) -idiots around after all
people should be taking responsibility for their own health. Half the population is overweight or obese. Drink ing like fishes, substance abuse. A bit of warm of weather, and then. sunburn.we are our own worse enemy.
Staff who entered in the 80s and 90s made things so much harder for anyone interested in working with the HSE. But this isn’t just the HSE, we can see it with Social Care in general too.
They’ve tried to “rectify” this issue by having a number of graduate positions made available but these are few and require such unrealistic standards from graduates.
My experience is Social Care so I’ll elaborate how ineffective it is at recruiting people and can assume a somewhat similar situation with the HSE in general. The issue isn’t in the amount of people interested in working with the organisation, it’s the demands the social services have on potential recruits which far exceeds most of the legacy staff who introduced these expectations.
For example, let’s say you want to be a social worker. You need to have a Masters in Social Work.. ok kinda makes sense but realistically you could be inducted into the practice and trained in a year, but here’s the catch. You need 420 hours of “Work experience” and be 23 years of age for god knows what reasons before being eligible for the Masters. How do you get these hours? non-mandatory (mostly unpaid) placement which is only offered by Social Science BsC Degrees to a select few students and they must do this work experience during their summer break at their own expense… So immediately those who aren’t financially supported during the summer are unable to gather these hours. But even if you do have the means, guess what! YOU HAVE TO DO THE EXPERIENCE OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY YOUR “POTENTIAL” MASTERS IS IN…….. After you have these hours you then sit a group based interview so they can “determine” if you’re suited for the masters (i.e. do you gel with the teachers) so regardless of the hours gathered you can still not qualify based on a single group based interview.. All this before you even start the MA you need to get the job to then start training to be a social worker..
The barriers to these roles is insanely difficult as not to risk or displace legacy staff who are just slowing the system to accumulate larger pensions.
Why would a nurse work for the HSE when they can literally make more in Penny’s at the moment with a tiny fraction of the responsibility ?
Get rid of the attitide: “Back in my day I worked 8 days a week 25 hours a day so you have to too! Deal with it!” And maybe you might actually retain nurses and get new ones.
My wife works in a hospital. currently her dept is at 50% capacity. from next month until close to the end of the year they’ll be at 40%. No jobs have been advertised.
That’s a big problem if you’re looking to hire
Am I right in thinking that back when they merged all the health boards and created the HSE, they didn’t make any roles redundant, so all the people doing all the stuff that was duplicated in the other regions kept on doing it (or not doing it) and drawing a fat salary the whole time?
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Poor conditions, better quality of life in other countries. Really simple.
There are if you provide good working conditions and pay.
Zero effort being made to improve working conditions.
Yeah but the way “good enough” is marked is by the ability to regurgitate information.
If someone just isn’t good at regurgitating information that is irrelevant to their life ambitions, they are just a write off. Sure they can Plc their way up but honestly, Who’s going to do 2 years + 4 years to do general nursing ?
There’s so many carers in nursing homes that are actually fantastic at what they do but were limited to being a carer due to school being difficult for them. Might I add, Half of them are actually doing nurses work in Nursing home due to lack thereof.
So one of the most expensive healthcare systems in Europe does not work well for patients and doctors alike. A truly outstanding job by the pack of cunts at FFFG
Was in the laya clinic myself a while back for a fracture. Anyway staff were so lovely and I got chatting to the nurse doing my cast and she said she had recently switched from working in the ED to doing this walk in clinic
I asked her why and she said she had to leave because she wasn’t able to do a good job and it killed her. Said she was sick of having to give the bare amount of care to people because of being stretched so thin.
It’s not about the money with these people (even though they should be paid more), it’s the staffing and workload. Fucking disgrace and I don’t blame her a bit for leaving to do something different but it’s sad that someone that skilled was now just doing casts at a walk in clinic.
Healthcare institutions and the hse have never bothered to improve working conditions for staff because they always figured they could just import more staff from abroad. Covid, high cost of living here and the massive global shortage of health staff means that ireland is no longer as attractive a place to come – and tbh, staff that the hospitals were importing weren’t being treated v well a lot of the time.
We need to be training more nurses here in ireland – but need to maintain standards for numeracy and literacy as patients, treatments and medications are getting more complex. There’s loads of lovely people who are lovely with patients…. but who would be a danger to the ward if left alone to do a drug round.
Carers do need to be up skilled and actually using the skills – I rarely saw HCAs checking blood pressures, etc on hospital wards yet they all had the fetac course done. Also need professional accountability and pay recognition for the hcas doing this with promotion pathways. Should reward the HCAs who do things properly and pay them more than the idiot who writes down “120/80” for everyone’s blood pressure and then hides in the sluice with their phone. Train copped on HCAs to do bloods and cannulation, and ecgs and a dozen other tasks.
Can’t speak to the doctoring side of things, but they do seem to have a lot of admin shite to deal with in hosptitals that is such a waste of their time. They studied medicine to be doctors, not battle paperwork. more clinical nurse specialists, more advanced nurse practitioners, more physicisns assistants , more admin support – i dont know what the solution there is but will be listening to the NCHDs.
There’s loads, they’ve just burned them all out. What they mean to say is that there’s nobody good enough left.
Would you leave a country where you pay 10-20% of your wage on your housing to move to Ireland where you pay 40-50% of your wage on housing, if you can even find housing in the first place??
There aren’t enough good people out there **AT THE LEVELS OF COMPENSATION BEING OFFERED**
Always remember to add this mentally whenever you hear about an employer being unable to fill a job role.
Amazingly I have never heard of someone saying that they would not work in a centra for 1 million quid.
While not every job can make you a millionaire, the onus should not be on the labour market to make employers happy.
It is wrong that we should expect there to be a capitalist market place when there is a big supply of labour to depress wages and then start bitching when employees have more leverage to compete for higher wages.
>While most health professionals don’t have “the luxury” of working from home generally, she says, many would like to work three or four days a week.
That sounds lovely. I would have loved to have done medicine, but the worklife balance put me completely off.
Bullshit. In my hospital the head of admin was denied by HR advertising grade 4 positions to try and entice people to go for the job
There was……they are all in Australia because the hse is a joke. Even when they came home to help with covid leaving good jobs abroad they were made pay they’re registration fees here and most were not given work so they all left again
The pay is garbage, what this person is basically saying is there aren’t enough (good people)- idiots to work for fuck all money, pay better and you’ll find that there are plenty of (good people) -idiots around after all
people should be taking responsibility for their own health. Half the population is overweight or obese. Drink ing like fishes, substance abuse. A bit of warm of weather, and then. sunburn.we are our own worse enemy.
Staff who entered in the 80s and 90s made things so much harder for anyone interested in working with the HSE. But this isn’t just the HSE, we can see it with Social Care in general too.
They’ve tried to “rectify” this issue by having a number of graduate positions made available but these are few and require such unrealistic standards from graduates.
My experience is Social Care so I’ll elaborate how ineffective it is at recruiting people and can assume a somewhat similar situation with the HSE in general. The issue isn’t in the amount of people interested in working with the organisation, it’s the demands the social services have on potential recruits which far exceeds most of the legacy staff who introduced these expectations.
For example, let’s say you want to be a social worker. You need to have a Masters in Social Work.. ok kinda makes sense but realistically you could be inducted into the practice and trained in a year, but here’s the catch. You need 420 hours of “Work experience” and be 23 years of age for god knows what reasons before being eligible for the Masters. How do you get these hours? non-mandatory (mostly unpaid) placement which is only offered by Social Science BsC Degrees to a select few students and they must do this work experience during their summer break at their own expense… So immediately those who aren’t financially supported during the summer are unable to gather these hours. But even if you do have the means, guess what! YOU HAVE TO DO THE EXPERIENCE OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY YOUR “POTENTIAL” MASTERS IS IN…….. After you have these hours you then sit a group based interview so they can “determine” if you’re suited for the masters (i.e. do you gel with the teachers) so regardless of the hours gathered you can still not qualify based on a single group based interview.. All this before you even start the MA you need to get the job to then start training to be a social worker..
The barriers to these roles is insanely difficult as not to risk or displace legacy staff who are just slowing the system to accumulate larger pensions.
Why would a nurse work for the HSE when they can literally make more in Penny’s at the moment with a tiny fraction of the responsibility ?
Get rid of the attitide: “Back in my day I worked 8 days a week 25 hours a day so you have to too! Deal with it!” And maybe you might actually retain nurses and get new ones.
My wife works in a hospital. currently her dept is at 50% capacity. from next month until close to the end of the year they’ll be at 40%. No jobs have been advertised.
That’s a big problem if you’re looking to hire
Am I right in thinking that back when they merged all the health boards and created the HSE, they didn’t make any roles redundant, so all the people doing all the stuff that was duplicated in the other regions kept on doing it (or not doing it) and drawing a fat salary the whole time?