“This is NOT Our War!” Israel Strikes Iran – Debate Feat Prof Marandi & Mehdi Hasan

“This is NOT Our War!” Israel Strikes Iran – Debate Feat Prof Marandi & Mehdi Hasan

Iran is or was three days away from enriching enough uranium to build an atomic bomb that would support Prime Minister Netanyahu’s claim that Iran is months not years from developing nuclear weapons a nuclear Iran would be a serious threat to Israel and frankly to all of us now we know this because the ruling Müllers are not subtle about their intentions as we’re supposed to believe that chanting death to Israel death to Britain and death to America is just excitable rhetoric like globalizing inifard but there’s a lot that we don’t know for sure about this crisis frankly the foreign policy experts don’t have a stellar record on weapons of mass destruction in Middle Eastern dictatorships today the whose evidence is the basis for a lot of this said the IDF is exaggerating the damage it’s done to Iran’s nuclear facilities as recently as March a US director of national intelligence said this the IC continues to assess that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon and Supreme Leader Kamei has not authorized the nuclear weapons program that he suspended in 2003 the IC continues to monitor closely if Thrron decides to reauthorize its nuclear weapons program well Netanyahu has been talking up the im imminent threat of a nuclear weapon in Thran for at least 33 years and his core message has always been that Europe and most importantly America should be very afraid about it here he was making that point to me in 2013 if President Rouani picked the telephone up and called you would you take that call yeah we’re not averse to calling it’s a question i’ll tell you what I’ll tell him you want the sanctions lifted stop your nuclear program why do you need underground bunkers why do you need ICBMs the sole purpose of ICBMs intercontinental ballistic missiles is to carry nuclear payloads by the way not to Israel to Europe and to the United States they already have missiles that reach Israel why do you need to enrich uranium well most of the allies who are furious with Israel’s increasingly brutal war in Gaza are in lock step with Netanyahu on Iran but that doesn’t mean there is any public support for being dragged into a full-scale war and mission creep is Netanyahu specialtity if Israel’s neutralized Iran’s nuclear threat then I support that but I think I speak for most when I say I don’t support mass civilian suffering in a prolonged war contingent on support from everybody else in a moment we’ll debate all this with my panel the columnist of Sunday Times Matthew S host and founder of the Young Turks Czech Yuga Ben Ferguson who’s a co-host of The Verdict with Ted Cruz and Jack Pobic the senior editor Human Events but first I’m joined by Danny Don is the Israeli ambassador to United Nations mr don thank you very much indeed for coming back on Uncensored um first of all can you just explain to me where you believe Israel currently is in this operation thank you for having me again Pers so we are pushing back Iran you know it’s going to be a long process you know for years Iran built those capabilities and we know Iran is a big country and and they have a lot of capabilities and when I speak about capabilities it’s not only the nuclear program that everybody speaks about it’s also the ballistic missile industry you know we found out the intentions of Iran to build a massive force of ballistic missiles that can actually compete with the US and Russia and by the way unfortunately we are paying the price almost every night because you see the the damage of those ballistic missile so you can just imagine if they had thousands of those missiles at the same time targeting Tel Aviv or Jerusalem it would be devastating so we are targeting the nuclear facilities we are targeting the ballistic missile infrastructure and overall we know about the extermination plan of Iran against Israel so we are pushing them back there are certain uh sites which you have been unable to get to because you don’t have enough weaponry america has that weaponry would you like America to help you to give you the weaponry you need to get in to where you believe a lot of this nuclear stuff is being hidden well that would be a US decision you know when we look at what’s happening in Iran they are threatening not only Israel but the US they are burning American flags they try to assassinate President Trump and Prime Minister Netanyahu so I I think the American people understand that we are fighting their fight but it will be their decision to decide if they want to get involved and how to get involved but in the past you know it’s not for the first time we were the one who took the initiatives you know when we attacked the the reactor in Iraq in 1982 we did it ourselves same was the case when we attacked the the reactor in Syria it’s not the same we are talking about a a much much bigger task this time you know a strong country and when you look at the numbers Israel is a tiny country you know 9 million people compared to 90 million people in in Iran you look at the size of Israel you know Iran is 70 times bigger than Israel so it is a challenge for us but we decided not to wait anymore there are many people who say that Prime Minister Netanyahu in particular has spent three decades talking about the imminent danger of Iran developing nuclear weapons and enriching uranium why should we believe now that it is any nearer to being done than in those 30 30 odd years well first you you need to listen to the IAA you know if you don’t want to believe us or our intelligence they said themselves that they they have enough enriched uranium that it’s enough for multiple bombs and then you look at the intentions and and I tend to believe the Iranians when they say they want to destroy Israel I believe them when they say that they will use those weapons and they have a sign that actually with a with a clock in the square in the middle of Tehran I believe them so we don’t take any chances anymore and after October 7th you know we saw the evil of our enemies so we cannot wait and and decide to wait more whether Iran will have the bomb and you will use it or not we are not going to be in that situation that’s why we took the preemptive attack and you know when you have the intention and you have the ballistic missiles and you have enriched uranium so until when should we wait until they actually send the bomb to Tel Aviv we will not do that your defense minister Katz uh this morning posted on X the arrogant dictator from Thran has become a cowardly murderer who fires targeted shots at the civilian homeront in Israel to deter the IDF from continuing the attack but is collapsing its capabilities the residents of Tehran will pay the price and soon this was seen by many people including myself i responded to that uh to say that this seemed to be a direct threat um against the civilian population of Thran he later said “I would like to clarify the obvious even though it clearly wasn’t obvious there is no intention to physically harm the residents of Tehran as a murder dictator does against residents of Israel.” And and it carried on the clarification but it was a very stupid thing of him to post wasn’t it to to even infer uh albeit in a way that he says came out wrong um that the civilian population the residents of Tran would become targets of Israeli strikes well as you said P the minister clarified his statement but I would say more than that not only we care for the people of Iran we pray for them and if they are watching us now I want to tell them we feel their their fears and we have nothing against them we know that they are being oppressed and we pray for the day that they will be able to live normal life and we can go back to where we were 46 years ago before the revolution you know we had daily flights between Tel Aviv to Tehran you know we had real bond with the Iranian people and I believe one day it will be the same so we we pray for the the Iranian people and we hope that they will not be oppressed in the future and for us you know we do everything we can to minimize civilian casualties you know even today we announced that we are going to attack a certain area in Tehran in order to minimize civilian casualties and they are doing exactly the opposite every night they’re targeting cities neighborhoods in Israel and unfortunately every night we have casualties families kids that being killed from those missiles you’ve been very successful in taking out a lot of the senior military commanders in Iran and a number of nuclear scientists uh this is according to to obviously what you have put out um but the Ayatollah remains alive it’s been reported that President Trump has vetoed any attempt to assassinate the Ayatollah but I mean why out of interest if you’re going to target all the top people of the regime why would you not target the Ayatollah i will not go into details but I will tell you that you know we showed our capabilities we showed the amount of intelligence we have about the whereabouts of of the leadership of of Iran and the IRGC we showed our capability to fly everywhere not only above Iran everywhere in Iran which is a huge country so we have those capabilities and we will decide you know what we will do next just explain something to me which is that this has clearly been a very well planned operation there reports of Mossad agents being all over Iran uh planning all sorts of stuff involving drones and targeting sites and targeting people and so on um so from a from a military perspective a highly successful operation so far uh as indeed was the operation against Hezbollah where 3,000 terrorists were targeted with the pager devices again very successful very precise very targeted mossad’s fingerprints all over it which does beg the question and it’s one that I’ve asked i’ve not really had a satisfactory answer to but why is it that with Mossad one of the world’s foremost intelligence agencies being clearly at the forefront of going after terrorism in with Hezbollah and with now Iran why was it completely incapable of knowing that right on the doorstep of Israel Hamas who were given government or elected governors given uh free reign when Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005 that they were able to spend 20 years building a highly sophisticated very deep tunnel network and were then able to plan one of the world’s worst terror attacks of modern times and even after doing all that uh the only way that Israel’s been able to go after Hamas has been to basically flatten as much of Gaza as it can and in the process kill 50 60 maybe 70,000 or more uh people including maybe threequarters of that being civilians it people seem sort of nonplused why Mossad seems to drop the ball so badly in Gaza and with Hamas and yet been so successful in in other parts of the region so first I I agree with you that we have to give credit for the Mossad for the operations in Lebanon and in Tehran you know we have no border with Iran we have no dispute with them it’s 1,000 mile away from Israel and still we developed a very impressing capabilities in Iran regarding to your question you know it’s important to understand that Mossad is not in charge of Gaza or or acquiring intelligence in Gaza in our government in our system we have but why not if you don’t mind me interrupting why not i mean they’ve been they’ve been right in the heart of allow allow me allow me they’ve been in the heart of Lebanon why not in Gaza doesn’t make any sense so I I I will explain my my point that you know Mossad is dealing with external threats and Shabbach the internal security agency deals with the threat within Israel which includes Gaza and Judea and Samaria so yes I agree with you that we failed on October 7th and we’re going to have to inquire exactly what happened you know I was deputy minister of defense 10 years ago and I sat in many important intelligence committees i think one of the reasons for our mistake was that we focused too much on on Lebanon and Hisbala we always thought that is the eminent threat and they will be the one who will actually invade Israel they will be the one who will attack Israel and we put a lot of resources a lot of energy looking north and we should have looked south and that was a huge mistake we paid a heavy price for that but I agree with you you know we’re going to have to look into what happened in Gaza and why it was neglected there’s a very long and detailed and very damning report that’s come out today in New York magazine extremely thorough and detailed and well researched which concludes that Israel has almost certainly been perpetrating a lot of war crimes in Gaza this is something which your own former prime ministers have been saying now as well um obviously Israel’s government has emphatically denied this but at the same time persists in having a ban on any international journalists coming into Gaza to verify what is actually happening on the ground surely the best way to establish whether you have or haven’t been acting within the law is to allow international journalists in to do their job isn’t it well first I have to disagree with this language you know I deal with that at the UN every day when people spread lies so easily blood liels you know well these are former prime ministers of Israel with all due respects i mean they’re not exactly people who who who you would normally expect to accuse Israel of war crimes he was prime minister 20 years ago and he’s bitter and he doesn’t like the current government but not only from the inside you know Tom Fletcher a senior diplomat here at the UN claimed that 14,000 babies will die within 48 hours yeah he made a terrible that was a stupid thing to say and he made a terrible mistake for which he’s apologized yeah but he didn’t apologize for claiming there is a genocide in Gaza so people you know spread those lies and then they sometimes they retract it sometimes they don’t and we have to deal with the consequences with the incitement so yes I I agree with you there is suffering in Gaza i agree with you it is painful for Israelis and Palestinians but let’s you know stick to international law let’s look at the facts we are doing our best you know even now when we are in the middle of a war with Iran today the centers in Gaza were operated the humanitarian fund and four centers delivered tens of thousands of packages to Palestinians so I I think we should look at the facts and and to understand that we still have hostages in Gaza and this conflict will end with the hostages coming home and kamas getting out of Gaza maybe they will be deported like what happened in Lebanon in the 80s with the PLO maybe they will surrender but I I think that will be the end of this conflict and why haven’t you let the journalists in well you know first of all you today you have access you have Wi-Fi you can see everything that happens in in Gaza you have reporters inside Gaza for all agencies that support you know for us to take responsibility for people coming in and out in in a war zone it’s something we don’t feel comfortable i don’t think he did but I don’t think he did all I know all I know is with all due respect Ambassador is that very soon after October the 7th Israel’s government instructed the IDF to take the world’s journalists to the scene of the appalling crimes of terrorism that were committed in Israel but when it comes to what is going on in Gaza there’s been an almost total ban on any international journalists and with all due respect it’s not your concern whether international journalists will be at risk or not that’s the risk assessment of their own companies who employ them uh as it is in any war zone you should allow them in and then this whole question of whether Israel is operating within the law or not can actually be established by independent journalists coming from around the world and until you do that it’s going to raise the obvious suspicion that you are doing things you don’t want the world to know well it’s a legitimate debate but you know just imagine what would happen god forbid you know one of the journalists will will die well nearly 200 Palestinian journalists have been killed so it’s not unusual for journalists to be dying you know I I have to beg with you also you know I don’t buy those numbers you know also when you you Well you don’t buy any of the numbers that’s the problem again all all due respect ambassador Israel can now just say you don’t buy any of the numbers because they’re all supplied by the Palestinian when it comes from when it comes from I know where it comes from i don’t buy any numbers yes but you also know that in previous I don’t buy it right but historically in this conflict going back decades actually the Palestinian Health Authority numbers for casualties have turned out to be broadly accurate after the event so it’s only in this particular flare up this particular war as part of the ongoing conflict that suddenly Israel’s government is saying “You can’t believe any of the numbers.” To which again I simply say there’s a very easy way to verify this stuff let in the journalists no you know we saw that those numbers were exaggerated from the beginning they were used by kamas for propaganda and I agree with you it’s hard to find out the exact numbers you know but you know when you read those numbers you ask yourselves so where are the Hamas terrorists they didn’t die in this conflict you know they claim they were all civilians were all children you know we know it’s exaggerated but you know what i agree with you that they suffering in Gaza and there is casualties in Gaza but the blame is on Hamas it’s not on us we can end this war tomorrow if they would release the hostages you know lay down the weapons maybe get out of Gaza and then we can think about a future for the region the sooner it will happen the better it will be tax day has passed but for events of October the 7th those terrible terror attacks and I did so for many many months but as I become increasingly critical of Israel’s government strategy in Gaza as so have many other people clearly many of your allies that at the same time you’ve got a lot of broad support for what you’re doing with Iran because people understand that Iran has become this kind of fulcrum of terrorism in the Middle East um I I you know it just we have to draw a close to our interview but it it does again beg the question if the IDF had been more targeted in conjunction with Mossad in going after Hamas rather than just leveling Gaza to the ground and killing tens of thousands of civilians as it went after Hamas uh if it had been as targeted or as smart as it was with Hezbollah and now in Iran you may have had a lot more support than you’re currently getting for what you’re doing in Gaza probably you’re right but I want to add one point it’s much harder to deal with a terrorist organization that hide among civilians and use them as a human shield that’s why this war is very long you know 20 months you know it’s a very long war for us it’s different you know it’s easier to fight a military or to fight another state than to fight a terror organization which is you know so involved with the civilians in Gaza so it’s much more challenging uh but I hope I hope that the people in Kamas understand that we are determined and hopefully in the next few days they will accept the the framework that the US put on the table and we can move forward to see a ceasefire and the release of more hostages ambassador Don I appreciate you coming back on sensor thank you very much thank you very much well let’s go to the panel uh Chank I could see you reacting pretty violently to what you were hearing there so what is your response to what you heard from the ambassador yeah when Israeli officials speak uh it’s like they’re in fantasy land uh so he they’ve leveled Gaza and the reason that they leveled Gaza is because they’re going to take Gaza and that’s not speculation anymore when uh those of us who were opposed to their war crimes and genocide said they were going to take Gaza that it had nothing to do with self-defense it had to do with land acquisition as all the wars that Israel starts has to do with they said “Oh that’s anti-Semitic how dare you?” Now their cabinet has said “Yeah we’re going to take Gaza it’s a conquest.” So now they’ve started another offensive war in Iran they’ll pretend to be the victims that’s what they always do oh my god so I had to start a war for self-defense nonsense garbage just like you said 33 years they’ve been say “Any day now Iran’s going to have nukes.” It was a lie netanyahu went on Fox News over the weekend admitted they weren’t even close to having it within a year then they said “Oh it’s because of ballistic missiles.” The ambassador there again referred to the ballistic missiles an incredible number of countries have ballistic ballistic missiles is Israel going to attack all of them is Israel going to invade all of them and then pretend that it’s self-defense how many and then they talk about “Oh we try so hard to not have civilian deaths and then American media plays along.” No they killed hundreds of civilians in Thran they always kill civilians they always kill more civilians than their opponents while pretending that they care so much about civilians they’re the ones starting all the wars we all have eyes and ears we just saw them start this war and every time American media plays along and pretends that there’s a fantasy land where Israel’s the victim and they oh my god they just had to attack yet another Middle Eastern neighbor they just had to take Gaza so almost when when you hear an Israeli official speaking they’re lying they’re lying almost 100% of the time they don’t want to come to Ben i’m going to come to Ben Ferguson to respond all I would say is clearly when you have the leader of Iran the Ayatollah who’s gone on record as saying he wants to get rid of Israel um and when you have Hamas in Gaza who are also wedded to getting rid of Israel it’s not completely irrational that they would feel that they are under threat now you and I have debated a lot the way they’ve gone about things in Gaza it’s marketkedly different how they’ve gone about things in Iran and with Hezbollah but I don’t think we can pretend that Israel is not under threat from either Iran or Hamas ben Ferguson yeah what he just said amitted one massive aspect of the conversation there was an attack on Israel there was the kidnapping and the torturing and the raping and the murdering of innocent people that were gathering to have a fun weekend the idea that he is forgetting what happened on October 7th and acting like Israel just woke up on a random Tuesday and decided to start attacking Gaza is absolute anti-semitic insanity we know what started this and the second part of this he says “Hey are they going to attack everybody in the world that has ballistic missiles i I lock my doors at my house every night for the people that might be right outside of my house.” And you have someone that is saying “We want to annihilate you from the river of the sea.” and chants death to Israel and says they want to murder you because you are Jewish and to act as if they don’t have a right to defend themselves and to attack Gaza after you have a massive terrorist network an underground tunnel system that allows for them to go after you every single night where you have to have an iron dome to protect and defend so everything you just said I with all due respect is absolute propaganda for the terrorists because you admitted the fact that Israel was attacked first that started the whole damn thing okay no Matthew say hang on check hang on what I heard was propaganda for terrorists just now from Ben the terrorist state of Israel who’s been occupying their plan the attack and who support the attack on why don’t you let them go why don’t you let a foreign people go how much do you want to oppress and humiliate and murder them now you’re going to murder Iranians and by the way Ben I think you forgot you’re an American not an Israeli act like an American not an Israeli what are you a foreign agent why are you working for a foreign government why don’t you care about American interest i don’t work for a foreign government we got no interest in this war all right i again I have an interest in in in in people being able to live a life without fear of bombs coming into their backyard hitting their apartments hitting their homes from a terrorist organization iran is a part of that and all of the Middle Eastern neighbors of Israel they live in fear of Israel the terrorist state attacking israel doesn’t go on the ever is attack their neighbors and take their land all right time out why did you Why did you admit the Here’s I have one question for you sing Singh I’ve known you for a long time one question why did you admit in your opening statement that Israel was attacked on October the 7th why did you not mention it one time because that is the fact that you cannot bring up because that is what started the catalyst of where we are today you know it so you didn’t mention it because you want to indict Israel acting like Israel will start attacking people it’s all right listen i want I do want to let the other two paners come in jack you’ll get a chance to come back eight years of brutal occupation and you think it started on October let’s not go back to the whole you’re still murdering Palestinians still murdering Palestinian sport gentlemen there are four panelists please okay you love genocide i got it there are four panelists guys guys there are four panelists you You can come back on in a second and have further thoughts um Matthew said you read a great column at the weekend and you were talking and I thought was very striking to me about the difference between Vladimir Putin rattling his nuclear saber because as you pointed out he’s an extremely materialistic guy who’s amassed hundreds of billions of illicit gains um at at the expense of his people and he’s the last person that would want to actually die for his country by pressing nuclear buttons which would lead to his immediate vaporization i’ve been saying that for ages um however it is a different thing when it comes to Iran there will be people there with very fundamentalist ideals who who might think if they’re cornered who might think if there’s nothing else they think can get them through who might think nothing of using a nuclear weapon if it came to it with the same kind of nihilistic uh attitude that we saw from al-Qaeda that we saw from ISIS and so on that’s right i mean just a couple of quick points firstly I like to think of myself as broadly pro- Israel but I think like you feel that the destruction that has been visited upon Gaza is a moral political and strategic calamity um when it comes to Iran the reason I think that the logic of nuclear deterrence won’t work is because they are many of them in the regime religious fanatics they believe they have absolute truth and the psychology of that is very interesting it means that anyone who doesn’t subscribe to their truth is an infidel and that they are wrong and they glorify martyrdom and believe that if they can take down infidels they will go through a door into paradise where they will be blessed forever and I grew up in the 1980s i my father was born as a Shia Muslim and I followed the Iran Iraq war extremely closely and viewers might be interested that the clerics the fanatics who took over after the 79 revolution indoctrinated young innocent children that they were supposed to protect and ask them to walk and often run into minefields and blow themselves up and they were then depicted in government propaganda as heroes their limbs strewn across battlefields that many of us have now forgotten about that to me is a death cult of great danger not just to Israel but to their own people because if they acquire a nuclear weapon and they visit one upon Israel as they have claimed they would do Armadin Jad said it Israel must be wiped from the pages of history the Supreme Leader described it as a cancer call me oldfashioned but I take these people’s words i take their I take them at their word if I can put it that way but also a danger to the Iranian people who would be who would die in a counter strike and by the way my views of the regime in Iran are corroborated by 70% of the Iranian people a fantastic people an ancient civilization most of whom have been emiserated by this regime that has also destabilized the wider region through proxies and Hamas and Hezbollah and as you say Hamas is genocidal too so one can have I think an approach of saying yeah Israel have got things wrong of course they have the person who was on before the ambassador doesn’t seem to be able to admit that but my goodness when Israel goes after the regime in Tehran not the Iranian people the regime I think all right-minded people should support it wholeheartedly why is that absurge because here we go again with the neocons just like did with the they did with the Iraq war we’re going to liberate the Iranians by dropping a bomb on their heads and once we murder them they’ll love us and they’ll want to get rid of their regime you can tell all these uh stories about the regime and those are true they’re fundamentalist uh they’re they’re not good guys at all saddam was not a good guy that doesn’t mean that we had to invade Iraq and cost ourselves several trillion dollars and over 50,000 Americans debt on behalf of Israel who at the time called Iraq their number one enemy and who had not check that is not what’s happening and in this case Iran did not attack Israel but Israel attacked Iran stop lying stop lying israel attacked Iran iran did not attack Israel i am perfectly happy to say Israel is the aggressor they did through their proxies peers they did through their proxies iran is on a daily basis i just think whenever when anyone tries to defend you do not support and fund Hamas and Hezbollah sync like you cannot be this dumb i understand that you’re propagandist for the regime but you and I both understand you work for America first didn’t want any multiple terrorist organizations they have no funding without Iran when I hear you guys describing Israel’s enemies attack Israel every day you know that you’re not that dumb you’re a smart guy you’re a propaganda but you know that sure so when I when I hear when I hear you guys describing Israel’s enemies what you’re actually doing is projection you’re describing Israel attacking all their neighbors killing civilians aggressive military empire acquisition and wiping out their enemies you know who said from the river to the sea benjamin Netanyahu who’s actually doing from the river to the sea benjamin Netanyahu who started all the wars benjamin Netanyahu get out america get out of this war this has nothing to do with us these guys work for Israel let me bring in Jack the idea that the Iranian people want the idea that the Iranian people want to be invaded and bombed is insanity they do not want that no but I do think a lot of people in Iran leadership I do think a lot of people in Iran would probably much prefer to have a different kind of ruler than they currently have who operates such a draconian and repressive regime they do not want Israeli rulers okay well that that’s a different question let me come to Jack you’ve been waiting very patiently jack you know mentioned America first and how this is in congruous with America first well at the moment this appears to be an Israeli uh operation they’ve started this war with Iran donald Trump appears to be taking a position of we don’t want to get involved here making it clear this is not being done uh with America’s obvious physical help uh albeit I don’t think he’s too bothered about it happening and probably quite pleased if it does destabilize Iran um but where does this all sit with Donald Trump’s America first ideology should America if it comes to I mean if Iran suddenly attacks some American base for example should America get involved in this war well peers this is not America’s war uh this is a war that is confined to two parties in the Middle East this is a war where the United States faces absolutely faces the threat of escalation and as you mentioned this mission creep and spilling over into the wider footprint of American military that exists throughout the Middle East and I don’t just mean Iraq and Syria I mean all of the American bases which are clearly within range of you mentioned the proxies you mentioned all these other forces out there of course it strikes the danger of spilling over not to mention the IRGC has the ability uh to shut down the straight of Hormuz and imagine what that would do to uh global shipping but and oil prices by the way they haven’t done that and 10 years ago today so 10 years ago today Donald Trump comes down the golden escalator and what did he say no more foreign endless wars and instead why don’t we focus on the problems at home he talked about obviously illegal aliens he talked about deportations but he said millions and excuse me trillions of dollars spent in Iraq trillions spent in Afghanistan and what did it get for us nothing dead soldiers wounded soldiers we got absolutely nothing out you want to talk about destabilization well I think those wars the massive wars on terror wars that by the way when I was in the United States military I did participate in at least in an intelligence capacity but what did that do to the region it destabilized it syria completely destabilized right now iraq completely destabilized and Afghanistan the Taliban is in a even in a better position than they were before we got involved because they have all the US military equipment that we left there and so every time the US gets involved in one of these things it actually seems to make the situation much much worse okay let’s take a short break panel i’ll come back to you for your reaction to this next interview I’m about to do it’s with the Iranian academic and former adviser to Iran’s nuclear negotiating team Muhammad Morandi professor Mirand thank you for coming back on Uncensored um this is a a pretty terrible situation for Iran it looks like Israel has caught your military napping caught your leaders napping they’ve been asleep it seems quite literally in some cases as Israel launched this surprise attack which has been so far uh stunningly successful and had comparatively uh small retaliation from Iran which suggests that maybe you don’t have the capability to do much about what is happening uh to your country well first of all I have to point out some nonsense that your guest said i fought in the Iranian Iraq war as a volunteer and I was part of the war effort for six years on and off [Music] was wounded four times and I survived two chemical attacks there was no children being pushed over minefields these are myths that Westerners Western media Western elites have been promoting for many years in order to demonize Iranians and to portray us as fanatic right now Pierce your friends your Zionist allies they are they have bombed buildings belonging to the Iranian television i’m in one of those buildings and the guard right now is standing outside the door telling me to leave and I’m yelling at I was yelling at him telling him to go i’m going to finish this interview we are not intimidated by you your government the United States or the Israeli regime this was a blatant act of aggression people were murdered in Iranian radio and television just minutes ago and I tweeted it and your Her colleagues have seen it and this building is also a target your allies target journalists your allies have murdered over 200 journalists and you are complicit in this genocide well let me respond to that Professor you repeated the lies listen I’ve seen you Professor all due respect Professor All due respect professor i’ve seen you uh doing this kind of sticktick in the last few days on all sorts of shows and let me just respond the reason that I actually think that Israel has a right to do what it is doing with your regime is that your regime has been the fulcrum for terrorism in the Middle East now for decades through Hezbollah through the Houthis through Hamas it has done whatever it can do to destabilize the region to terrorize Israel and anyone else it doesn’t like uh it’s a draconian oppressive appalling regime which is deeply unpopular with many Iranians and every time I’ve seen you appear in the last few days uh you’ve had a big smirk grin on your face as if somehow you know better than everybody else and that somehow we are misinterpreting your your rulers and your regime and that you’re all a bunch of really nice people who have nothing but good intentions for the rest of the world when in fact it’s the complete opposite and finally Israel said enough and they’re coming after your nuclear capability because your own ruler the Ayatollah has made it clear that he would very much like to see Israel removed from this world and if you hear that and you’re in Israel then you’re going to take action to stop that happening so that would be my response to you well if your rant is over I would point out that you are a dishonest person and a dishonest soal you can do stuff as much as you like but you were too cowardly be quiet for a moment be quiet for a moment and let me speak you don’t tell don’t tell me if you’re going to call me a coward if you’re going to call me a coward then I won’t be quiet on my own show especially not from someone like you who spews disinformation i am I am I am the one in this building that has been evacuated and I’m only sitting here because of you so allow me to speak well keep the ad hom yourself then you if you’re gonna call me a liar and a coward I’m gonna jump in and take you on you are so show some respect or don’t bother you are a coward you You were You are a coward you did not come to Iran when I invited you so you have no right to I wouldn’t trust going to Iran why on earth would I trust going to Iran as your guest your guest said nonsense about as your guest in Iran with with your with your contacts with the Iranian regime so don’t I wouldn’t trust that as far as I can tell don’t comment so don’t comment about Iran if you don’t come here well let me give you some facts about your country let me give you some facts and see where I’m wrong here women face severe restrictions when it comes to marriage divorce inheritance child custody and so on compulsory veiling punishable by flogging and prison sentences women punished for bad dressing defined as exposing any body parts below the neck women banned from certain professions they can’t be judges they can’t be b they can’t be in certain positions in government a ban on independent political parties civil society organizations trade unions lgbt people suffer systematic discrimination and violence closing shops that have so-called improperly veiled customers authorities censor media jam certain television channels continue to block or filter mobile apps social media platforms executions including those of children torture and other ill treatment are widespread and systematic state television can often air torture tainted confessions arresting and sentencing people who break fast during Ramadan anyone who speaks out protests against the regime can be subjected to the death penalty flogging prison terms and other severe penalties it doesn’t sound like a great place for me to visit with all due respect Professor Mirandi so you can tell me that I’m a coward and I’m a liar and I can tell you that you prop up personally you go on the airwaves and you disingenuously prop up and grotesqually defend a terrible regime which is now getting as many people see its final comeuppance for constantly threatening Israel with getting a bomb and taking it out and that’s what this is about you know it and I know it and you also know that your regime has propped up the Houthis and Hezbollah and Hamas it has been the octopus with its tentacles of terrorism spreading all over the Middle East so you can call me what you like but what you can’t do is deny what I’ve just said you are a coward so you keep saying you keep saying you are a coward that’s all you can say isn’t it that’s all you’ve got you It’s all you’ve got do one of your smoke you helped enable genocide in Gaza for months you You don’t want to let me talk you don’t want me to talk i do but if all you’re going to do is call me a coward and a liar then why should I keep listening to that pointless it’s what you’ve been doing on the airways for days you say n Because you say nonsense really what was What was nonsense about anything what was nonsense about anything I said everything but you just rant on and you think this way you can convince your audience that you while your allies are murdering Iranians while your allies have murdered regime has been responsible for mass murder let me talk you are afraid you are afraid of letting me talk because you know that your narrative your narrative is falling apart your narrative is I’m a coward and alive you got anything else in your tank any other argument tweets a couple of weeks ago won’t let me talk you are afraid of letting me talk you’re afraid i’m not afraid of you Professor Mandy but you look to me like you’re afraid because you know now that the game is up iran’s terrorism game i am in a building i’m in IR i am in the Iranian radio television building and it has been emptied because they say they’re going to bomb this building and I stayed here for you and you are responsible for justifying these criminal acts and those colleagues of yours in Iran who are true journalists who died today their blood is on your hand and you not the Israeli government of Gaza You You are too cowardly to let me talk you are You’re just talking nonsense coward you’re talking nonsense let me talk if I was a coward I wouldn’t have had you on i wouldn’t have had you on if I was a coward but I knew what you would try and do you try and do this with all the journalists that you talk to and I’m afraid it it doesn’t work anymore your stick doesn’t work anymore you defend the indefensible you go ad hominemum on every host you ever talk to you were at it yesterday with a Sky News presenter and I’m not going to take it from you sorry just not going to i don’t care you’re a genocide enabler that’s what you are and you’re a terrorism defender you’re a terrorism defender your hands yeah you defend a terrorist regime that’s what you do all the perfume of Arabia will never clean those hands with your fears kill keep on the killing keep on justifying murder keep on demonizing Iranians and Palestinians and Lebanese and keep on killing keep on I I demonize terrorists what I do is demonize terrorists and the main fulcrum the main the main fulcrum of terrorism the main terrorism for terrorism which has been incredibly damaging to the people to Palestinians to Lebanese to Iranians has been the Iranian regime you are are a coward and an enabler of terrorist you have nothing else to say professor Miranda the Israeli regime took Lebanon professor Miranda it’s good to end with one of your good to end with one of your regime good to end with one of your smirks because they really play well with an audience i can tell you when they see you smirking away it really is a good look you’re too cowardly to let me talk you’re too power all you’ve got to say all you’ve got to say is to attack me all you care about is attacking me that’s not talking explain anything you won’t let me explain anything you won’t let me explain anything you don’t want to explain you want to just call me a liar and a coward and a genocide explain that after Israel invaded Lebanon and captured the Yes you are you You are lying okay you are lying about you’re professor it’s Thank you for the interview i I wish you are safe there i do genuinely okay okay thank you for joining me i don’t think so i appreciate it i’m going to go back to the panel uh now um I mean Matthew said I’ve talked to Professor Morandi a few times and I’ve watched him uh on the airwaves over the last few days getting increasingly angry watching him because he is just a ludicrous individual who comes out and constantly defends the indefensible when it comes to that Iranian regime and has very close contacts with the rulers of Iran um but you know it’s an interesting thing that he in between all the attacks he was spewing about me the fact that he’s sitting there now in a media building by the sound of it which he’s been told to evacuate this is getting very serious and very real isn’t it for people in Iran very serious and he reminded me a bit of I don’t know comical Ali exactly going to say that it’s just completely ridiculously deluded deluded and clearly shilling for for the regime and I just think of this incredible civilization that stretches back thousands of years with a GDP per capita of like $4,000 uh Israel’s is over $50,000 a freer society one that wishes to develop and grow and be prosperous rather than to live in this medieval religious fanatical worldview is all the things that you said there peers were completely true about the way they degrade women and repress free speech and all these other punitive measures that are just so uh awful to endure one thing I’d throw in though is I agreed with the previous speaker on the panel who who said that the Afghanistan war was a mistake would have been better not to have gone in i think that’s a fair counterfactual analysis i actually was against the Iraq War II but I think we should confront something that I don’t think was confronted by the America first lobby which is that if one agrees that Iran would like a nuclear weapon as the nuclear weapon atomic energy authority has said 60% enrichment getting very very close and if you also believe as I do that they would likely use it then let’s not pretend that America can stay out of this even a relatively small nuclear war would lead to a nuclear winter that would have an effect around the world of catastrophic proportions it would affect farming all around the world it would lead to famine we can’t allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon the idea that the counterfactual is staying out and allowing a nuclear potentially a nuclear strike to occur would be catastrophic i think we need to face up to that truth all right Chen i mean to check you would shaking your head throughout all that i don’t understand why you feel comfortable being such a a defender of Iran i’m not no no do you see that’s total propaganda okay so let’s break it down one by one okay so number one when I see the Israeli ambassador earlier he sounds like Baghdad Bob to me uh like Iran is the aggressor no Israel is clearly the aggressor we all saw them start the war second of all they say “Oh my god we’re so worried about civilians.” Israel always kills more civilians than their opponents and by an order of magnitude uh for example Hamas terrible they killed 36 kids on October 7th awful right israel has killed 500 times as many kids so this guy uh pretending to be an Iranian expert is telling us about how much he’s concerned about women israel has killed 20,000 women in Gaza how about their rights how about the rights of to to those women to stay alive how about all the civilians why are you avoiding criticizing when I see you guys why are you criticizing i’m not avoiding it at all i’m not avoiding it at all let me explain let me explain why are you ducking saying criticism of Iran it’s a simple question i’m not ducking it at all you ready yeah you ready it’s simple i I don’t like the Iranian regime at all okay i’m I’m an atheist now they would kill me first i got no interest in the Iranian regime but the Israeli regime would also murder me so I want you guys to be fair and balanced so don’t tell me that is that the Iranian regime is super dangerous to its neighbors while Israel actually attacks all of its neighbors including Iran so tell me about how dangerous the Israeli terrorist regime is as it attacks civilians again and again and again except that you say well Muslim lives don’t really matter that’s why you guys don’t count the Muslim civilians that Israel murders on a regular basis so look what would they murder you for the Iranian regime is bad and it is and it is it’s just like Saddam’s hold on Ben let me finish let me finish let me finish so the North Korean regime is terrible the Chinese regime runs concentration camps for Yuger Turks those Turks are my people the Russians invaded Ukraine these are all terrible regimes that doesn’t mean we have to start a war let them respond and it doesn’t mean that America has to fight Israel’s war for it well America isn’t fighting it at the moment at the moment fight your own wars but America is not one dollar not one troop america is not involved in this war at the moment ben Ferguson yeah i I It’s amazing he just said that Israel would kill him i asked him seven eight times what would they murder you for what would they murder you for and I said over and over again you said that Isra murder journalists more than any other country they murdered more journalists than World War I World War II Vietnam and Afghanistan combined they murdered more journalists than all other conflicts in the world combined they murder Muslim Americans 12 of them and America does not defend American citizens in the occupied territories murders Americans all never defends us see this is the problem when you say things that are this egregious everyone watching around the world is going to look at this and say “This guy is an idiot.” Because you didn’t answer the question you said that Israel would murder you right now gpt would journalist in the world i’m asking you personally you said they would murder you now i’m not going to let up on this what would they murder you for you’re telling me right now that you think Israel wants to find you and kill you right now where you are no no no if I go to Israel you you said go to Israel if I go to Israel if I go to Israel Israel would almost certainly m IDF already wrote my name on a bomb it’s not like they’re hiding it and they murder journalists more than any other country in fact all the other countries combined that’s a literal fact and they murder Muslim Americans 12 of them and American by they didn’t object under Biden we don’t object under Trump cuz you can murder American citizens only if you’re Israel is the terrorist state of Israel is allowed to kill Americans and what do we have to do we have to give them another $311 billion we have to start another war for them like Iraq and spend $2 trillion why do the American people owe Israel hundreds of billions of dollars why do we owe them more let’s get American soldiers let them respond don’t talk us give me your 300 billion back 300 billion respond you owe us i don’t know you and Ben you’re supposed to be an American not an Israeli look at me and Jack me and Jack don’t agree on anything else but we agree that we should serve America i say Americans first not Israelis stop the war look at MAG Steve stop the war ask for war here’s the left and the right uniting saying we don’t want war on number one my foreign policy has changed drastically from after 9/11 i don’t think we should go into Iraq Afghanistan if I could have a redo I would change what I thought about that i’ve said that very clearly for years now on TV but no I I said I’ve changed my foreign policy when you make mistakes and you see what happens it’s okay to change it’s called growing up all right you learn from your mistakes i’m not in favor of invading America into Iran so let me say that first so you put words mouth second thing I’ve seen two hostage videos today one from the guy that’s in Iran right now and you and I don’t know why you act like there there there’s a country that is running terrorism in the Middle East iran who’s chanting death to Israel by the way death to America they chant death to America too okay and why you act like they’re not a threat to the Middle East and to American interests over there that’s why Donald Trump said yesterday that’s why Donald Trump said yesterday if you come after Yes I do i do think ran a threat to us because they helped kill American soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan they trained the damn terrorist people that I know personally that I know personally i know people that died serving their country in Iraq and Afghanistan i just went to Fort Bragg and went to where the a behalf of Israel on a plaque i’m not screwing around with this do not tell me that ben I had these debates with you on the Iraq war what what i had these debates with you on the Iraq war you were 100% wrong then you’re 100% wrong now you sent American kids to die is not a threat to the United States and you want to send American kids to die let me bring in Jack jack let me bring in Jack please let me bring in Speak up here let me bring in Jack jack final word to you well certainly they’re they’re a threat but in in in the sense that they’re a threat because the United States is currently sending the USS Nimmits aircraft carrier from uh the Asia-Pacific from Westpak over to the Middle East by the way this is the first time that China now ha China now has more aircraft carriers in the Pacific than the United States the first time that’s ever happened now you’re going to have those 5,000 sailors on that aircraft carrier plus the other 5,000 that are on the Carl Vincent sitting potentially sitting within range of everything that Iran has this is exactly what I’ve been talking about so the threat to American lives is and I think it’s right there i think it’s what you’re saying it’s because America is getting involved in a war that’s not ours can I ask a question of Jack and Shank just quickly you say it’s a war that isn’t yours if you were convinced let me ask you a hypothetical that Iran was close to getting you guys always do these if Iran was close to getting a nuclear weapon what is as the UN inspectors say let me ask you a direct question um do you then think if America was the only country that had the capability to degrade and destroy Iran’s nuclear capacity would it then be an American interest to intervene so should America go around and blow up all the nuclear sites that aren’t American should we attack China should we attack Russia should we attack France should we attack the UK all of them is that is that your contention so so you should attack so it’s a consistent position you would permit You think it’s in America’s interests no you to permit you’re trying to cough trap me right now you’re trying to cough trap me and you’re trying to say well if you agreed to this hypothetical that I asked you then you must also No I’m not playing that game i’m not playing that game right now you’re saying in a hypothetical situation should America tax to your point they do not have weaponized uh nuclear capab or uranium that is at the point of weaponization at 90% which they could use for an atomic bomb they do not have that they have 60% so you’re saying even if they had 90% which by the way doesn’t sit with the DNI Gabbard’s assessment and the entire assessment of the intelligence agencies that Iran is not currently developing weapons of mass destruction they’re only enriching uranium so you’re saying “Oh well that’s totally fine.” You’ve never even asked me what I think you’re trying to play this game where you I’ve been asking myself I’m not trying to play any game i’ve been asking myself the question a lot over the last few days because if I may just finish setting up once I read the report that Iran had been the same I’m the same as Matthew i read that report i read that report and what was crystal clear from that report is that there have been constant lies and obfiscation from the Iranian regime in relation to the nuclear program clearly clearly they believed that they were being lied to in in their ability to report properly about what was going on they also believed the uranium enrichment was now at a level where it was quite likely and possible that Iran could have a full nuclear bomb uh imminently you know weeks months whatever that period may be and in that circumstance I took a view in a way that I’d be very critical of the Israeli government for what’s going on in Gaza at the moment but I took a view that if you are Israel right now and you have Iran with the atomic agency saying they are getting perilously close to being able to create a nuclear bomb that is a time that is a time where you may decide that is a time to stop them and that appears to melip it there we’ve run out of time guys i’m sorry i’m sorry no I was asked a question this is the same lies that Israel fed us about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq the same hypotheticals oh what if Iraq has weapons of mass destruction oh here’s fake intelligence telling you that Iraq has weapons this is not fake intelligence this is us into a war before and then they always do hypotheticals like “Oh what if the Palestinians say that we don’t have a right to exist?” No the Israeli cabinet has voted that Palestinians don’t have a right to exist all their hypotheticals are what Israel actually does i’ve got that has a nuke israel actually has a nuke israel is the most aggressive country and the most likely to use a nuclear weapon we have to get out of Israel’s control i’m going to leave it there americans diplomacy get I’ve run out of time guys i’m sorry i’m going to have to leave it there i appreciate you joining we’ve $11 we’ve gone well over time but I appreciate you all joining me thank you very much well joining me now is Medi Assad the editor-in chief at Zato News medie great to have you back on Uncensored last time you came on uh recently we reached agreement over what is going on in Gaza i I concurred with your view that it was now crossing almost every line it wasn’t just my view the view of former Israeli prime ministers of allies of Israel and so on but we have a s a separate situation here and I’m just curious i’ve seen what you’ve been saying publicly about this this Israel attack on Iran if you’re Israel and you see that report from the atomic agency which appears to suggest that uh Iran has been lying obiscating covering up uh not allowing uh proper inspections and so on and now appears to have reached 60% enrichment of uranium which is the next stage it can reach where now it can be imminent it can be within months that it could potentially get to nuclear power um can you at least without agreeing with it can you understand why Israel has felt threatened by that report so Pier thanks for having me back and I’m glad you started by asking about the IAEA report because I know you brought it up with your panel as well and I just want your viewers at home to be clear because you described it accurately a moment ago what the what the report says i’ve read the 22-page report came out May 31st declassified but on Friday I was disappointed to see you tweeting about you said the report exposes an imminent nuclear threat from Iran which could justify a preemptive strike what we saw on Thursday night from Israel was not a preemptive strike uh it was a preventive strike which is illegal under international law it’s what George Bush and the neocons claimed the Iraq war was against Saddam Hussein which you and I opposed rightly so and that IIE report does not expose an imminent nuclear threat it says what you just said it says it says that they haven’t been cooperating very well it says their level of cooperation has been quote less than satisfactory it says some of their technical answers about their program have lacked credibility uh it says they’ve impeded some of the inspectors it says that they were working on some kind of military program pre203 which is what US intelligence has also said those are all bad things pers you and I can both agree those are bad things and Iran should not be doing those things and the IIA board voted to say they’re in breach of their obligations but that’s not an imminent nuclear threat the report does not say Iran poses an imminent nuclear threat your tweet was wrong on Friday well I think as I just said when it says 60% enrichment of uranium it’s the next stage that somebody who wants to create a nuclear bomb right so imminent look what do I mean by imminent as I said in the panel it can be weeks months a year whatever but they’ve reached the stage of but but they have the they have the capability to take it to another stage and create a bomb yes so let’s find more agreement between us i agree that is capability right they have enough highlyenriched uranium uh to build up to nine bombs i believe they have 400 kgs of that is an imminent threat if it’s in the wrong hands right we can agree on that it’s not no it’s but why not no because unfortunately having because having a civil nuclear program is totally fine having nuclear having enriched uranium is fine the issue is if you weaponize it and have a weapons program and Tulsi Gabbard no friend of radical Islam Donald Trump’s director of national intelligence said in March that the US intelligence community’s consensus view is that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon does not have a nuclear weapon has not authorized a nuclear weapons program the IAA peers in that report you must have seen the line in their summary said there are no credible indications of an ongoing undeclared structured nuclear program even the IIA says there’s no nuclear weapons program their boss the IIA chief Pierce said last week you cannot attack nuclear facilities in Iran so no it’s not an imminent threat and under international law Pierce this is the key point if a weapon is a year away you cannot say we’re under imminent threat that does not give you a right to self-defense otherwise everyone in the world would go around just bombing people you and I oppose Russia’s invasion of Ukraine we agree on that right putin claimed that Ukraine would one day attack Russia with NATO support that’s why I’m doing it that was a argument you and I rejected Putin’s argument in Ukraine you and I have rejected the Israeli argument now in Gaza you you don’t believe what they’re saying about Gaza i don’t know why you’re believing them on this when you were rightly calling out the from the UK and the US in 2003 over Iran saddam Hussein was not an imminent threat and Iran was not an imminent threat and Israel attacked them illegally last week while there were nuclear negotiations going on pers one last point if Israel cared about stopping a nuclear weapon you would go back into a nuclear deal that prevents Iran from a weapon and guess who they killed on Thursday night not just generals peers they killed Ali Shamani the lead nuclear negotiator who was supposed to be in Oman yesterday with the Americans and who went on NBC a month ago and said “We’re very close to a deal we’re willing to give up highly enriched.” But Trump did say didn’t he trump did say “Yeah but hang on on the deal.” Trump said “Look you’ve got 60 days right?” And Israel attacked on day 61 in other words they gave they gave Iran a chance to negotiate but that is what Trump said why well Trump’s a liar why were they meeting in Oman on Sunday then if there were only 60 days why were the Americans supposed to be meeting yesterday all I’m saying is that it is a It is a fact the sequence of events hang on it’s not a fact though is it it’s not a fact it is a Trump said 60 days they not It is a fact he said “That’s a lie because he that’s but that wasn’t a 60 days otherwise we bomb you.” That was Netanyahu by the way let’s be clear netanyahu want this war more than Trump i agree i’m just saying that Netanyahu did wait he did wait till day 61 60 days get a deal done no because why was there a nuclear negotiation scheduled on Sunday between the Americans and the Iranians which is now not happening who benefits from that netanyahu the hawks who want a war they don’t want a deal otherwise you wouldn’t kill Unless you think that Trump passively wants this to happen which he might well do maybe i mean I don’t try and mind readad Trump you can you know him better than me the man’s a liar he’s erratic he’s unhinged who knows i mean he claims to be anti-war remember all that i came on your show last year Pierce how many times did I hear people telling me about Trump being anti-war he went to Michigan and said “I won’t get involved in a war in the Middle East and here we are now several hundred people dead in Israel and Iran completely preventable conflict done with Trump’s blessing.” And as I say if you want if you’re worried about highlyenriched uranium blame Trump right he tore up the nuclear deal in 2018 pers in 2018 Iran was enriching uranium at what percentage 3.67% and the IAA said “Yep we verify it we have no complaints we verify that Iran is in accordance with this deal.” And Trump tore it up and today 60% highly enriched uranium 400 kg that’s on Donald Trump we had the JCPOA aren’t you just there aren’t aren’t you aren’t you just if you don’t mind me saying aren’t you just explaining very articulately why Israel has got so twitchy about this gone from 3% to 60 as you said that’s not a small but who did but who did that right that that but the whole blame you like but the way you described that sounded to me like you were presenting a fastmoving imminent threat no no okay it’s a good question let me answer it no what I was presenting was that there was a deal that worked trump and the Israelis tore up the deal that worked now Iran is definitely you and I have already agreed that they have potential to be closer to a bomb today than they were in 2018 so the solution is not then to go to war and increase the chances of Iran rushing for a bomb the the solution is to go back into a deal to negotiate an agreement pier just for your viewers there are only two ways every military expert agrees every US general agrees there’s only two ways to stop Iran from having a nuclear bomb number one is to invade and occupy the country and destroy every facility yourself number two is to have an agreement in which Iran agrees to stop enriching uranium at 60% or 90% right those are the two options I don’t agree with that I don’t agree for invasion there’s actually a third option because a ground or the third option is it doing exactly what Israel is doing now which is using air power no controlling the skies over tan and using intelligence gathered by Mossad apparently reportedly uh and using specific intelligence to target specific commanders scientists and nuclear sites i mean that’s the third option well that’s not a third option because it doesn’t stop the nuclear program all it does is delay it and in fact have you spoken to any military people be honest be honest have you spoken to any military i’ve got two former British Army colonels in my family i ran this past them earlier both of them thought this was justified right who are the military commanders you’ve talked to who do not think this is justified admiral Mike McMullen chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under George W bush that said there’s no way you can get rid of Iranian nuclear program without boots on the ground and by the way you know who said on Friday the Israel’s own national security adviser said on Friday there is no kinetic solution to this air power cannot do this right because some of their facilities are underground because scientists who killed can be replaced right you cannot end is Iran’s nuclear program via bombing and by the way Israel tried this before in 1981 they always hold it up as some great example they bombed Saddam’s nuclear facility in Osak everyone who studied that since nuclear scientists weapons experts say that actually that didn’t delay Saddam’s bomb it accelerated Saddam’s interest in nuclear weapons he actually launched a covert nuclear program at another site over the next nine years till of obviously the Iraq invasion of Kuwait right so put yourself pe you asked me a question at the beginning it was a great question put yourself in Israel shoes we should always have empathy for whoever it is enemies allies let me ask a question back to you put yourself in the shoes of an Iranian official sitting in Thran today who looks at a map of the region and sees Israel with nukes Russia with nukes Pakistan with nukes India with nukes nuclear armed America next door in Iraq wouldn’t you want nuclear weapons i’m against nukes but if you’re the regime but if you look but you wouldn’t you wouldn’t dispute would you not think it’s rational my response my response would be this you wouldn’t dispute that Iran’s tentacles have been fueling for a long period of time Hamas the Houthis Hezbollah and I presume you wouldn’t also dispute that the tactical attack on Hezbollah through the pages 3,000 of them targeted in a very precise way that that has led to basically well led to Hezbollah basically throwing the towel in and saying “We’re not going to get engaged in this in this war with Iran,” which is a a very significant moment in this whole war i would argue if you if your question is has Israel degraded Iran supports abroad its proxies 100% that’s but that’s irrelevant to the rightness or wrongness of this i’m asking you to put yourself but all those proxies want to kill right so that’s why I think that Israel has well let’s not get well as you’ve agreed Israel is doing much of the killing right now um but let me just ask you this again ukraine gave up nukes got invaded saddam Hussein gave up nukes got invaded and executed gaddafi gave up gave up chemical weapons got invaded raped and killed again if you’re the Iranians are you not looking at this thinking this means we need nukes i would rather not give them an incentive to go get nuclear weapons i’m anti-uclear weapons for anyone so I don’t want Iran to have nukes but the best way for Iran not to have nukes it’s not to attack them that makes countries want to have nukes more it’s just rational to go “Oh the countries to have nukes like North Korea they don’t get invaded so why give them an incentive to get more nukes why not actually have a weapons of mass destruction free region you know which country does have nukes in the Middle East israel in violation of UN Security Council resolutions you know which country doesn’t allow IAA inspectors into the country israel you know which country hasn’t signed the NPT unlike Iran israel we should talk about Israel’s nuclear weapons which actually incentivize others in the regions not just Israel Turkey Saudi Arabia to think about nuclear weapons of their own i’d rather not have more nukes in the Middle East with anyone medi Assam great to have you back on our sensor thank you very much piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent the only boss around here is me if you enjoy our show we ask for only one simple thing hit subscribe on YouTube and follow Piers Morgan Uncensored on Spotify and Apple Podcast and in return we will continue our mission to inform irritate and entertain and we’ll do it all for free independent uncensored media has never been more critical and we couldn’t do it without you

If the UN’s experts are correct, Iran is – or was – three days away from enriching enough uranium to build an atomic bomb, supporting Netanyahu’s claim that they’re months, not years, from nuclear weapons.

Meanwhile, the IAEA says the IDF is exaggerating the damage it has done to Iran’s nuclear facilities.

Most of the allies who are furious with Israel’s increasingly brutal war in Gaza are in lock step with Netanyahu on Iran. But that doesn’t mean there is any public support for being dragged into a full-scale war.

Piers Morgan discusses the latest developments with Israeli ambassador to the United Nations, Danny Danon, before assembling a panel comprising of Times columnist Matthew Syed, founder and CEO of ‘The Young Turks’ Cenk Uygur, co-host of ‘The Verdict with Ted Cruz’ Ben Ferguson and Senior Editor at ‘Human Events’Jack Posobiec.

Plus, Piers speaks with Iranian professor and regime supporter Mohammad Marandi and Editor-in-Chief at Zeteo News, Mehdi Hasan.

00:00 Introduction and monologue
03:30 Danny Danon on the current developments in Israel’s operation
06:12 Why should we believe Iran is enriching uranium now?
10:33 AD: Ridge
11:22 Danon interview continues
14:44 Piers questions Danon on war crimes
20:20 AD: Tax Network USA
23:10 Panel joins the debate
27:15 Uygur and Ferguson clash over Israel
30:10 Matthew Syed’s perspective on Iran’s potential use of nuclear weapons
32:40 AD: Beam
33:43 Panel debate continues
38:30 Mohammad Marandi interview begins
43:45 Piers furiously lists controversial policies in Iran
50:34 Panel react to Marandi interview
1:04:08 Mehdi Hasan interview

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