So, young voters who Le Pen may depend on don’t vote in great numbers. She leads macron in every age group under the age of 60. Macron will be carried by the over 60s who do vote.
The question is what happens to French politics when these older voters die off. We’ll probably end up getting the equivalent of Melenchon v Le pen in 10 years time in the second round. 🤨🤨
Those two are clearly a bit different degrees of getting screwed.
Yes, but if it had become a Macron-Melenchon show down, Le Pen supporters would have been ‘screwed’ either way.
Since there can be only one president, the only result will be that ~25% of voters will be truly happy with the outcome (those who voted for the winner in both rounds) and a further 25% will be happy that the lesser of two evils won (those who voted on the winner in the second round and another candidate in the first round).
This logic holds true regardless of who wins.
Welcome to democracy, where you discover that your fellow countrymen are idiots and only you know what is best for your country.
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This.They don’t understand that commies won’t vote Macron. Why would you vote in favor of the status quo? For commies nothing will change, and even a change might be better since Le Pen is left wing in economics, and anti-NATO+EU. (except migrant background people voted Melenchon might vote Macron)
They should advocate for electoral reform. Winner-take-all presidential systems allow only a small portion of the electorate to be represented by their true beliefs while the left-out voters feel disillusioned with democracy. It’s a bad system.
Exactly, the French system is especially disproportionate as fucked.
Young, leftist Mélenchon voters ‘screwed’ either way?
Screw them, then.
Election system needs to change.
Are they going to help Le Pen get the presidency?
As a young leftist myself, as much as I disagree with Macron’s policies, he is the only valid option on the ballot. The other option is borderline treason.
They need to wake the fuck up and realise it’s not an even outcome. Le Pen would be far worse.
Right vs far-right. WTF, France? Where are today’s soixante-huitards?
Why is it so difficult to give up to win nd oppress the othe side? the best result is always when there is a very close result 51%-49% is very goof, like in he USA. It has a strong control on the incumbent winner whichever wins.
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What about imagining just for a second that both sides are benevolent – just have adiffeent inner perspective due to stricter or more leenint child raising styles. or whatever.
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Nothing can ever change that every dilemma has two solution…a dovish and a hawkish…
So we need both views presented.
But i see that the passionate hatred against the other side is like a drug it makes people blind and dumb. On both sides. (Well, and also on the third side, who will practically decide.)
Do they want to be screwed or double-screwed?
There’s still a parliamentary election ahead
i don’t see why it always has to be one person with the top position. i would like to see an advanced legitimate democracy try a system where there is rule by committee if no one person can get a majority
There were multiple left-wing candidates that got enough votes for their share to have put Melenchon into the 2nd round. Whatever the next election looks like, the left-wing will have much better chances if they don’t dilute their votes between a whole bunch of candidates.
Dumbass article, they got to vote in the 1st round, now the top 2 vote getter gets in, so I guess if Macron wins Le Pen supporter would be “left out”
Shit, my leftist choice didn’t win. Oh well, might as well vote for the extreme right candidate now.
Ignorant idiots
It’s the old choice between a dry, stale, slightly dodgy looking chicken sandwich or a dogshit and broken glass sandwich.
They are busy blocking universities now, because that’s how democracy works. In a functioning society, they would be expelled. In France, it took the intervention of far-right protesters to free the space.
People learnt nothing from Brexit. Play “indifferent” or “holier than thou” as much as you want, as if it matters in the end; you hurt yourself and make an ass out of yourself when you realise it’s too late to go back.
Just don’t vote for LePen. I know most Mélenchon voters are anti EU and anti NATO but we need to stick together now.
Come on, this has been the case for every presidential election since I have been able to vote, and I am 38
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So, young voters who Le Pen may depend on don’t vote in great numbers. She leads macron in every age group under the age of 60. Macron will be carried by the over 60s who do vote.
The question is what happens to French politics when these older voters die off. We’ll probably end up getting the equivalent of Melenchon v Le pen in 10 years time in the second round. 🤨🤨
Those two are clearly a bit different degrees of getting screwed.
Yes, but if it had become a Macron-Melenchon show down, Le Pen supporters would have been ‘screwed’ either way.
Since there can be only one president, the only result will be that ~25% of voters will be truly happy with the outcome (those who voted for the winner in both rounds) and a further 25% will be happy that the lesser of two evils won (those who voted on the winner in the second round and another candidate in the first round).
This logic holds true regardless of who wins.
Welcome to democracy, where you discover that your fellow countrymen are idiots and only you know what is best for your country.
Cry more
This.They don’t understand that commies won’t vote Macron. Why would you vote in favor of the status quo? For commies nothing will change, and even a change might be better since Le Pen is left wing in economics, and anti-NATO+EU. (except migrant background people voted Melenchon might vote Macron)
They should advocate for electoral reform. Winner-take-all presidential systems allow only a small portion of the electorate to be represented by their true beliefs while the left-out voters feel disillusioned with democracy. It’s a bad system.
Exactly, the French system is especially disproportionate as fucked.
Young, leftist Mélenchon voters ‘screwed’ either way?
Screw them, then.
Election system needs to change.
Are they going to help Le Pen get the presidency?
As a young leftist myself, as much as I disagree with Macron’s policies, he is the only valid option on the ballot. The other option is borderline treason.
They need to wake the fuck up and realise it’s not an even outcome. Le Pen would be far worse.
Right vs far-right. WTF, France? Where are today’s soixante-huitards?
Why is it so difficult to give up to win nd oppress the othe side? the best result is always when there is a very close result 51%-49% is very goof, like in he USA. It has a strong control on the incumbent winner whichever wins.
​
What about imagining just for a second that both sides are benevolent – just have adiffeent inner perspective due to stricter or more leenint child raising styles. or whatever.
​
Nothing can ever change that every dilemma has two solution…a dovish and a hawkish…
So we need both views presented.
But i see that the passionate hatred against the other side is like a drug it makes people blind and dumb. On both sides. (Well, and also on the third side, who will practically decide.)
Do they want to be screwed or double-screwed?
There’s still a parliamentary election ahead
i don’t see why it always has to be one person with the top position. i would like to see an advanced legitimate democracy try a system where there is rule by committee if no one person can get a majority
There were multiple left-wing candidates that got enough votes for their share to have put Melenchon into the 2nd round. Whatever the next election looks like, the left-wing will have much better chances if they don’t dilute their votes between a whole bunch of candidates.
Dumbass article, they got to vote in the 1st round, now the top 2 vote getter gets in, so I guess if Macron wins Le Pen supporter would be “left out”
Shit, my leftist choice didn’t win. Oh well, might as well vote for the extreme right candidate now.
Ignorant idiots
It’s the old choice between a dry, stale, slightly dodgy looking chicken sandwich or a dogshit and broken glass sandwich.
They are busy blocking universities now, because that’s how democracy works. In a functioning society, they would be expelled. In France, it took the intervention of far-right protesters to free the space.
People learnt nothing from Brexit. Play “indifferent” or “holier than thou” as much as you want, as if it matters in the end; you hurt yourself and make an ass out of yourself when you realise it’s too late to go back.
Just don’t vote for LePen. I know most Mélenchon voters are anti EU and anti NATO but we need to stick together now.
Come on, this has been the case for every presidential election since I have been able to vote, and I am 38