Starmer ready to retreat on benefit cuts to win over Labour rebels

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1. Why would they be scared of doing an impact assessment if they didn’t already know the answer to it?

   This has all but confirmed the malicious intent behind the cabinet.

2. I got unlucky. Virus affected my heart and god knows what else. Went from a professional career to a societal accounting error. Despite my heart not working well, and this permeating everything I do, I still didn’t get 4 points in any one category thanks to the enormous amount of reaching and specious logic incorporated by my PIP assessor. If they want to push these changes through, can they at least open up some Futurama booths? It’s nicer than telling us to just starve.

3. So a u-turn on Christmas wine *ahem* I mean ‘winter fuel’ payments for pensioners and now looking like a u-turn on giving free money to people who feel anxious about working.

   Great; so tax rises it will be on the rest of us then.

4. So will they resort to another NI increase or drop a selection of their spending plans?

5. I guess that means big tax rises are coming this Autumn because its either that or we borrow even more

6. Yay for an ever ballooning welfare state that were never allowed to touch!

   Never cut pensions or touch the triple lock, never cut benefits, just keep taxing everyone more and more

   This isn’t sustainable

7. Not sure how this government would ever win a war, cant even stand firm on their own pledges, laws or bills.

   Can’t deal with any backlash from own staff, let alone hostile actions from abroad.

   Wish someone would have a backbone.

8. I’m probably going to get flamed to hell over this but how do we square the circle? Welfare and pensions are unaffordable. We have no money. Taxing more is not necessarily the solution since company’s and high worth individuals can simply redomicile to lower tax countries

9. As bad as it sounds, PIP absolutely needs a rethink. So many people who need it are not eligible and so many people get it that absolutely should not get it.

10. Incoming lowering of the tax free allowance I can’t see any other way things going

11. Starmer “I will proceed ahead! ”

    Starmer “actually i never ever wanted to do the idea at all, honest, in fact this complete other idea was what we always talked about”

12. I feel like the entire benefit system needs a redo but sadly again no real political will nor a willingness to face the harsh realities.

    You know what could be a simple answer that could see the entire system simply dismantled saving potentially billions and that is UNI (Universal Basic Income).

    There would be no need for a benefit system nor a pip system (we probably will need to create a system for the extremely incapable) and if we as a society push it a bit further maybe even affordable housing for all.

13. The irony is that half their reforms target non means tested sickness benefit. If you qualify via national insurance contributions you will no longer get support after a set time, no matter if your health is no better. Literally targeting those who worked but fall ill, not the “expect stuff for free” bunch that so many say justifies this…

    Literally working families where one person becomes ill, they are getting utterly shafted in this “morally justified” reform they are pushing….

    So all your healthy people who pay in but support this as you think it goes after “scroungers” just pray you don’t get ill before you retire at 68 or you just shot yourself in the foot (and that’s not enough for 4 points, sorry dark humour)

14. “Starmer ready to retreat”

    A disastrous title for any leader, what is more devastating this isn’t the first time too, even if this time it would be the right thing.

15. He should do what John Major did in 1995 – call a leadership election over this issue. With the frontbenchers like Rayner already too committed for these cuts, they wouldn’t be able to mount a proper challenge over this issue (like how the Tory big wigs were committed on Europe and couldn’t really break from Major on that), and a bunch of back benchers running against Stramer will fail miserably.

16. im recovering from agoraphobia and have autism. i can work physically, but i cant work within a professional environment. or more accurately im not given the chance to work within a professional enviroment

    i often have to subdue panic attacks just to leave my house as well as many other issues. on a very bad day i cant go out AT ALL, on a good day i will go out just fine, on most days however it takes me an hour sometimes even two to push past my barriers. this makes me late often close to all the time infact. i work a voluntary position with a charity, a place that understands my needs and works with me instead of against me. if i do my entire hours with no issues in a week i work a 45 hour week. so i work more than a lot of able bodied people work, 9-6 over 5 days a week. but often i will work 38-40 hours in reality with my issues due to lateness or other needs, i do all this for no pay, i take no holidays because i dont need to do that as i cant leave the country and i have no breaks because were always busy.

    if i go to work in a company and im regularly and reliably late i lose my job (from experience in multiple jobs) in weeks if not days. i cannot work in professional environment, not by choice but because that system has decided im not suitable, and yet in a charity in a volunteer role, im the most valued person they have. i treat it like work and consider it my way of repaying the benefits i receive. i do a service for my community, in return i receive less than minimum wage through benefits. im ok with this and have come to term with the fact that it is my lot in life. i dont feel guilty for taking benefits anymore because im doing something to earn them.

    my story is not uncommon not by a very very long shot, almost everyone who volunteers are disabled, go to any charity shop and ask any of the volunteers there, 90% will be disabled in some way. meanwhile these lazy, lay about, do nothing, corrupt politicians want to dictate to me and people like me that were lazy and bone idle and how we dont deserve a fair shot at life!? sorry but i know a lot of disabled people through my position and the people who can do thing, do things, the ones who cant, they need full support. this is disgusting and people need to wake up to the fact that disabled people are human and stop making up stories in their own head to justify being horrific to some of the most vulnerable humans we have in society.

    next time your granddad start whinging about “all the drug addicts gaming the system” corruption is a part of life and you find ways to combat it, you dont hurt a majority to spite a minor MINOR minority

17. 1) Announce cuts to save money

    2) Spend money

    3) Re-introduce the thing you cut and continue running a deficit.

    Continue until everything implodes.

18. Cutting help to the most vulnerable is that stick in the mud I can’t walk past. I couldn’t forgive myself voting Labour knowing they cut benefits to those most in need. I won’t vote Conservative or reform either but Labour need to support those who cannot support themselves. They fix this and I can forgive

19. The answer is simple: TAX THE RICH. Do that and there wouldn’t need to be benefit cuts.

20. Ptsd, gunshots wounds and blast wounds arthritis in knees back hips, chronic fatigue syndrome and Ms. Ex military served in afghan and Iraq full pip and would give it back in a heartbeat to be well again. Ms has caused to minor strokes and I now require blood pressure and heart medication on top of everything else.

21. He’s lost his party. He needs to go.

    Labor needs an actual progressive leader, not one who just so badly wants to be a Tory from 15 years ago.

22. How are there so many tales of people who clearly need it failing to get it, but also an absurd number of claims from people who just have depression? I don’t get it

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