Germans are still hoping Ukraine will surrender soon so they can go back to buying the gas.
When money is more important than human lives… Like what the fuck are Ukranian industry workers and “bosses” feeling at the moment? I don’t hear them complaining anywhere.
Shut down your production till you find alternative sources or accept that you are directly supporting war criminals.
The Germans are corrupt. 1-2 politicians in the South make whole populations corrupt, just using the same standards here.
Drug addicts.
With every German politician, journalist, industrialist in last 30 years being guilty of creating this addiction.
The old german way: “When the Nazis got the communists, I kept quiet; I wasn’t a communist. When they locked up the Social Democrats, I kept quiet; I wasn’t a social democrat. When they called the trade unionists, I kept quiet, I wasn’t a trade unionist. When they took me there was no one left to protest.”
―Martin Niemöller
This situation is what finally got me to take the bus and look into new energy sources for my own use. Wish industry could as well. Have to end the oil wars before the water wars start.
Unions oppose it cuz without it they’d all be out of a job
Fucking scheiße…of course bosses and unions who are so greedy for €€ will start going against reasonable actions against a country who’s committing warcrimes Nazi style…
We live in a sad society where money means more than freedom and human lives guys…
Name and shame
I was wondering for some time why Germany *in particular* was so intent on being the endpoint of a gas pipeline for Russian gas. I mean, sure, cheap energy, but that applies to any country in the EU. Why is Germany in particular so hell-bent on this?
I’ve been betting that an input here is that a lot of energy-intensive industry located in Germany because there used to be coal used as a major energy input, and Germany was a center of coal extraction.
Now coal is going away.
If that means that some other place in the EU winds up being the place that’s has particularly good access to energy — say, pipeline gas from Africa to Italy or Spain or something, nuclear, whatever — then energy-intensive industry that today is in Germany will, over time, relocate, because Germany will pay the price of the gas plus the transit fee. That’ll put the not-all-that-highly-educated workforce in that industry in Germany out of work (well, unless they’re gonna relocate).
Apparently, part of the way Germany dealt with the coal phase-out was to move old coal mining workers into said industry, was a major political issue.
If the EU winds up moving to wind+gas, then Germany is reasonably well-positioned to still be the place in the EU with cheap energy. It’s got decent wind energy input, and if it is the major terminus for gas coming into the EU — i.e. the pipelines through Eastern Europe are phased out and Russia remains the source for gas — then it doesn’t have to deal with the workers in question going out of work. IG Metall will desperately want Germany to have NS2 and similar, else they’re gonna get clobbered.
That would explain not just NS2, but some other otherwise-weird stuff that Germany has done, like their energy pricing policy, which has very high residential energy costs to have low industrial energy costs. There’s not much economic sense to that purely from the country’s standpoint as a whole, not in the long run — countries should normally be agnostic as to what type of industry operates in them — but if there’s some political reason that Germany specifically wants energy-intensive industry and is willing to subsidize energy-intensive industry at the expense of non-energy-intensive industry, that’d make sense. Basically, say IG Metall and friends wield disproportionate political power in Germany and German politicians are heavily aiming for policy to benefit them.
Some of the quotes in the article are kinda supporting that belief.
>“A rapid gas embargo would lead to loss of production, shutdowns, a further de-industrialization and the long-term loss of work positions in Germany,” said Rainer Dulger, chairman of the BDA employer’s group, and Reiner Hoffmann, chairman of the DGB trade union confederation, in a joint statement Monday on Germany’s dpa news agency.
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> German Vice-Chancellor Robert Habeck said in an interview with the Funke media group that “an immediate gas embargo would endanger social peace in Germany.”
Comments: How dare people value their own jobs!
I wonder what the average age here is. Not high I assume.
Even a perfunctory risk assessment would’ve pointed out the myriad problems with relying so heavily on Russian gas. Just lazy, shortsighted business planning and no due diligence, Crimea fucking river.
> A rapid gas embargo would lead to loss of production, shutdowns, a further de-industrialization and the long-term loss of work positions in Germany
Oh no, the poor things. Don’t mind Ukraine which is being actually bombed as we speak, funded by money provided by Germany and other European countries. It’s some temporary production disruption in Germany which _really_ matters.
I’m starting to believe that Germany has for some weird reason become everyone’s conviniet scapegoat for everything that’s happening in the Ukraine.
But yeah, let’s all lobby for Germany’s and consequently the EU’s economy to collapse. Cause shooting ourselfs in the fckng foot will most definitely help Ukraine /s
I want every single person who was involved in making the decision to shut down all those nuclear reactors in Germany to publicly apologize to the German nation.
Germany is a schizo. on energy, 2 personalities sharing one body, the pseudo-green-retard and the corrupted.
I’m glad France imports of Russian gas are marginal.
France has been blamed on not helping as much, but take the amount of money Germany gives to Russia into account and you’ll see an other story.
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Germans are still hoping Ukraine will surrender soon so they can go back to buying the gas.
When money is more important than human lives… Like what the fuck are Ukranian industry workers and “bosses” feeling at the moment? I don’t hear them complaining anywhere.
Shut down your production till you find alternative sources or accept that you are directly supporting war criminals.
The Germans are corrupt. 1-2 politicians in the South make whole populations corrupt, just using the same standards here.
Drug addicts.
With every German politician, journalist, industrialist in last 30 years being guilty of creating this addiction.
economy economy above all : https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=deutschland+english+lyrics
The old german way: “When the Nazis got the communists, I kept quiet; I wasn’t a communist. When they locked up the Social Democrats, I kept quiet; I wasn’t a social democrat. When they called the trade unionists, I kept quiet, I wasn’t a trade unionist. When they took me there was no one left to protest.”
―Martin Niemöller
This situation is what finally got me to take the bus and look into new energy sources for my own use. Wish industry could as well. Have to end the oil wars before the water wars start.
Unions oppose it cuz without it they’d all be out of a job
Fucking scheiße…of course bosses and unions who are so greedy for €€ will start going against reasonable actions against a country who’s committing warcrimes Nazi style…
We live in a sad society where money means more than freedom and human lives guys…
Name and shame
I was wondering for some time why Germany *in particular* was so intent on being the endpoint of a gas pipeline for Russian gas. I mean, sure, cheap energy, but that applies to any country in the EU. Why is Germany in particular so hell-bent on this?
A while back, I [commented on this](https://old.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/t5x4zo/germany_warns_against_ban_on_energy_imports_from/hz9y1uj/), proposed that political pressure regarding potential de-industrialization in Germany due to Germany being home to a lot of energy-intensive industry was the driving factor.
I’ve been betting that an input here is that a lot of energy-intensive industry located in Germany because there used to be coal used as a major energy input, and Germany was a center of coal extraction.
Now coal is going away.
If that means that some other place in the EU winds up being the place that’s has particularly good access to energy — say, pipeline gas from Africa to Italy or Spain or something, nuclear, whatever — then energy-intensive industry that today is in Germany will, over time, relocate, because Germany will pay the price of the gas plus the transit fee. That’ll put the not-all-that-highly-educated workforce in that industry in Germany out of work (well, unless they’re gonna relocate).
Apparently, part of the way Germany dealt with the coal phase-out was to move old coal mining workers into said industry, was a major political issue.
If the EU winds up moving to wind+gas, then Germany is reasonably well-positioned to still be the place in the EU with cheap energy. It’s got decent wind energy input, and if it is the major terminus for gas coming into the EU — i.e. the pipelines through Eastern Europe are phased out and Russia remains the source for gas — then it doesn’t have to deal with the workers in question going out of work. IG Metall will desperately want Germany to have NS2 and similar, else they’re gonna get clobbered.
That would explain not just NS2, but some other otherwise-weird stuff that Germany has done, like their energy pricing policy, which has very high residential energy costs to have low industrial energy costs. There’s not much economic sense to that purely from the country’s standpoint as a whole, not in the long run — countries should normally be agnostic as to what type of industry operates in them — but if there’s some political reason that Germany specifically wants energy-intensive industry and is willing to subsidize energy-intensive industry at the expense of non-energy-intensive industry, that’d make sense. Basically, say IG Metall and friends wield disproportionate political power in Germany and German politicians are heavily aiming for policy to benefit them.
Some of the quotes in the article are kinda supporting that belief.
>“A rapid gas embargo would lead to loss of production, shutdowns, a further de-industrialization and the long-term loss of work positions in Germany,” said Rainer Dulger, chairman of the BDA employer’s group, and Reiner Hoffmann, chairman of the DGB trade union confederation, in a joint statement Monday on Germany’s dpa news agency.
–
> German Vice-Chancellor Robert Habeck said in an interview with the Funke media group that “an immediate gas embargo would endanger social peace in Germany.”
Comments: How dare people value their own jobs!
I wonder what the average age here is. Not high I assume.
Even a perfunctory risk assessment would’ve pointed out the myriad problems with relying so heavily on Russian gas. Just lazy, shortsighted business planning and no due diligence, Crimea fucking river.
> A rapid gas embargo would lead to loss of production, shutdowns, a further de-industrialization and the long-term loss of work positions in Germany
Oh no, the poor things. Don’t mind Ukraine which is being actually bombed as we speak, funded by money provided by Germany and other European countries. It’s some temporary production disruption in Germany which _really_ matters.
I’m starting to believe that Germany has for some weird reason become everyone’s conviniet scapegoat for everything that’s happening in the Ukraine.
But yeah, let’s all lobby for Germany’s and consequently the EU’s economy to collapse. Cause shooting ourselfs in the fckng foot will most definitely help Ukraine /s
I want every single person who was involved in making the decision to shut down all those nuclear reactors in Germany to publicly apologize to the German nation.
Germany is a schizo. on energy, 2 personalities sharing one body, the pseudo-green-retard and the corrupted.
I’m glad France imports of Russian gas are marginal.
France has been blamed on not helping as much, but take the amount of money Germany gives to Russia into account and you’ll see an other story.