It’s a bit over-simplifying things, but essentially not wrong.
Schools are the same in Finland.
Non-EU students pay for higher education.
The tone of this picture is strange.
Rich pay more taxes. Thats it. Never heard that anyone invested in a school. Thats probably illegal lol.
Not true.
First part is somewhat right, the rest is bullshit.
We have private schools that have tuition. Public system is so good though that rich wouldn’t get more by putting their kids in private school.
Not entirely true anymore. Rich people are moving out of certain areas to get their children into better schools.
Yes, and no. We have virtually(* only public schools with equal syllabus and funding. However it varies a bit from community to community and some schools get additional funding to combat social problems in the area..
It also means that those with means shop school districts. It is not really the schools, but the other students and their parents that are avoided. Typically areas with high low income population and/or 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are being avoided. Also, often referred as S2 (Finnish as second language) students.
(*
There are a few international schools or ones that follow different pedagogic philophy, but they are in really small minority.
Rich people still attempt to get their kids to segregated schools. Sure, it’s much more difficult here than in the GB for example, but they still have various means for doing so (moving to a rich neighbourhood, paying for tutorship to get kids into schools with heavy emphasis in the arts etc).
I don’t blame them. Sometimes the option is a classroom full of bullies where half of them don’t speak fluent finnish, and refuse to consider female teachers as legit authorities.
So while that isn’t technically false – or a lie – the truth is much more nuanced and cynical.
Schools are tax funded, public or private, they have same oversight and same curriculum.
There is no “rich investing in public school”, they pay taxes, and the taxes are used to fund all schools equally.
Kids of parents from rich areas are not forced to study and socialize with children from rural areas. There is still this kind of segregation. If you can’t afford to live in an expensive area, your children are unlikely to go to schools in these areas.
If you are rich, you can still afford more private and extracurricular education. Or send your children to study at a foreign institution.
Wrong. Rich parents school shop meanwhile the poor kids/kids with neglectful parents are gonna be with the ghetto/S2 kids.
And not a single period in that sentence
Foreign kids that don’t speak Finnish are segregated into [S2 curriculum (Finnish as a Second Language)](https://yle.fi/a/74-20121477).
>A study sparked much discussion when it observed that some [students in S2 classes have a very low level of Finnish skills](https://yle.fi/a/74-20016059) even after years of learning the language.
Whatever you do, don’t ever google “Did communist Russia have private schools?”
Also rich kids get to know poor kids and don’t become assholes who don’t care about those less fortunate. I have school-friends going from line-cooks and dock-workers to architects and middle-bosses at Ericsson
School is not free, you just pay it over your whole life through taxes, and the more productive you are the more you ended up paying for the education.
And sometimes rich kids get selected to esteemed internship positions just because of the family they were born into regardless of work experience and other qualifications… *cough* stubb *cough*
Huge difference between a school in small town with classes of 1-6 in same classroom and school in very rich neighborhood in a major city.
Since when did random pictures on the internet become a source of information ?
Charging fees for tuition is legal and happens. I know a few Finns who are in debt because school cost money, especially if you want to learn something like graphic design or go to a programming school.
While education is paid by taxpayer money and in theory this makes all schools equal, in reality this is not entirely the case. We also have a principle that kids go to the closest school to where they live. Usually rich people live in the same areas and by some god damn miracle those schools get the renovations and investments for educational tech.
Then there’s school shopping. Usually this is done by applying to a special program that happens to be in a nice district. How do you apply to such special program one might ask? Well a Finnish language test. Which kinda makes sure that if you are an immigrant or child of an immigrant, you probably won’t get selected. Same goes with if parents read books to kids and reading books kinda correlates with higher education and such. Of course there’s lot of exceptions, but those programs are kinda elitist… on Finnish standards, which is far cry from many countries private schools, such as UK or USA.
Overall the Finnish education system is really equal, but it’s by no means a perfect one and there’s always people who are well of who try to steer clear from people who are not. I really do appreciate the educational system we have, I just won’t go around praising it to the heavens and ignore it’s flaws.
You could mix kids regardless of whether there were wealth-based tuitions or not. The Finnish system gets many things right but the post is populism.
(Kindergarten fees are wealth-based for example)
The governments keep cutting benefits from students. There are new cuts coming next month that essentially force students to take huge loans just to keep afloat. There are student housing apartments, but the prices are going way up in many cities. The state used to give students more funds, but year after year the funding is always cut. You can get a big loan from banks, but that means paying it back with interest for a long time. I paid off my debt 10 years after graduation, and the kids now will have to take much more. You can get a service job or be a telemarketer, but other job opportunities are scarce with no education.
The rift between rich people and poor people is growing constantly, as unemployment is skyrocketing and the government keeps cutting benefits. Is it better than say the US? Yes, so far. But who knows what the future holds. We’re becoming more and more right wing and less and less fair by the month.
There’s alot of nimbying too. A form of sort of corruption where “better” people are really against having things built on their neighbourhood that lower their perceived value.
Like kindergartens, schools, mental health and substance users supported living and treatment facilities or bigger flats designed for people of lower income class.
that is partly BS, because “rich” will settle together and their children will go to the same school and will naturally get better teachers (which is most important part). Segregation by income will never go away.
Girlypop (gender neutral), just wait until you go through immigration and getting ID verification; you might stop romanticizing it real quick when you’re stuck here with no bank account to get paid the money you need for registration that you need to pay for your immigration appointment which you need in order to get some form of verified ID so you can finally sign things so you finally get to rent an apartment so you have an address to get registered so you can get a bank account that you can get paid into
A wise man once said, ‘Do not believe everything you see on the internet.
This is propaganda that is trying to push an american leftist political agenda.
Stop spreading propaganda!
It’s true I guess but we have about 3 people that would be rich enough to pay up anyway.
Want to get into a good school in Finland? Speak swedish. They do not allow S2 (kids who don’t speak finnish as first language) into swedish speaking some at all. Swedish or gtfo. This zero immigrants in them.
Little bit of simplifying things, but basically all schools are the same, and practically every teacher has masters degree.
Rich kids mix with normal kids is the biggest lie ever 😀
not really, rich kids live in their own areas and go to their own schools
Back in the 90’s, kids born in to rich households would get graded higher if they did their schoolwork with a computer. If your parents couldn’t afford a computer and a printer, tough shit, you would get lower grades – which means you wouldn’t be qualified for the better secondary schools
Finland has always had financial segregation
But the rich people dont want to live in same areas as poor people. And schools are defined by zip code
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It’s a bit over-simplifying things, but essentially not wrong.
Schools are the same in Finland.
Non-EU students pay for higher education.
The tone of this picture is strange.
Rich pay more taxes. Thats it. Never heard that anyone invested in a school. Thats probably illegal lol.
Not true.
First part is somewhat right, the rest is bullshit.
We have private schools that have tuition. Public system is so good though that rich wouldn’t get more by putting their kids in private school.
Not entirely true anymore. Rich people are moving out of certain areas to get their children into better schools.
Yes, and no. We have virtually(* only public schools with equal syllabus and funding. However it varies a bit from community to community and some schools get additional funding to combat social problems in the area..
It also means that those with means shop school districts. It is not really the schools, but the other students and their parents that are avoided. Typically areas with high low income population and/or 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are being avoided. Also, often referred as S2 (Finnish as second language) students.
(*
There are a few international schools or ones that follow different pedagogic philophy, but they are in really small minority.
Rich people still attempt to get their kids to segregated schools. Sure, it’s much more difficult here than in the GB for example, but they still have various means for doing so (moving to a rich neighbourhood, paying for tutorship to get kids into schools with heavy emphasis in the arts etc).
I don’t blame them. Sometimes the option is a classroom full of bullies where half of them don’t speak fluent finnish, and refuse to consider female teachers as legit authorities.
So while that isn’t technically false – or a lie – the truth is much more nuanced and cynical.
Schools are tax funded, public or private, they have same oversight and same curriculum.
There is no “rich investing in public school”, they pay taxes, and the taxes are used to fund all schools equally.
Kids of parents from rich areas are not forced to study and socialize with children from rural areas. There is still this kind of segregation. If you can’t afford to live in an expensive area, your children are unlikely to go to schools in these areas.
If you are rich, you can still afford more private and extracurricular education. Or send your children to study at a foreign institution.
[https://eurydice.eacea.ec.europa.eu/eurypedia/finland/organisation-private-education](https://eurydice.eacea.ec.europa.eu/eurypedia/finland/organisation-private-education)
Wrong. Rich parents school shop meanwhile the poor kids/kids with neglectful parents are gonna be with the ghetto/S2 kids.
And not a single period in that sentence
Foreign kids that don’t speak Finnish are segregated into [S2 curriculum (Finnish as a Second Language)](https://yle.fi/a/74-20121477).
>A study sparked much discussion when it observed that some [students in S2 classes have a very low level of Finnish skills](https://yle.fi/a/74-20016059) even after years of learning the language.
Whatever you do, don’t ever google “Did communist Russia have private schools?”
Also rich kids get to know poor kids and don’t become assholes who don’t care about those less fortunate. I have school-friends going from line-cooks and dock-workers to architects and middle-bosses at Ericsson
School is not free, you just pay it over your whole life through taxes, and the more productive you are the more you ended up paying for the education.
And sometimes rich kids get selected to esteemed internship positions just because of the family they were born into regardless of work experience and other qualifications… *cough* stubb *cough*
Huge difference between a school in small town with classes of 1-6 in same classroom and school in very rich neighborhood in a major city.
Since when did random pictures on the internet become a source of information ?
Charging fees for tuition is legal and happens. I know a few Finns who are in debt because school cost money, especially if you want to learn something like graphic design or go to a programming school.
While education is paid by taxpayer money and in theory this makes all schools equal, in reality this is not entirely the case. We also have a principle that kids go to the closest school to where they live. Usually rich people live in the same areas and by some god damn miracle those schools get the renovations and investments for educational tech.
Then there’s school shopping. Usually this is done by applying to a special program that happens to be in a nice district. How do you apply to such special program one might ask? Well a Finnish language test. Which kinda makes sure that if you are an immigrant or child of an immigrant, you probably won’t get selected. Same goes with if parents read books to kids and reading books kinda correlates with higher education and such. Of course there’s lot of exceptions, but those programs are kinda elitist… on Finnish standards, which is far cry from many countries private schools, such as UK or USA.
Overall the Finnish education system is really equal, but it’s by no means a perfect one and there’s always people who are well of who try to steer clear from people who are not. I really do appreciate the educational system we have, I just won’t go around praising it to the heavens and ignore it’s flaws.
You could mix kids regardless of whether there were wealth-based tuitions or not. The Finnish system gets many things right but the post is populism.
(Kindergarten fees are wealth-based for example)
The governments keep cutting benefits from students. There are new cuts coming next month that essentially force students to take huge loans just to keep afloat. There are student housing apartments, but the prices are going way up in many cities. The state used to give students more funds, but year after year the funding is always cut. You can get a big loan from banks, but that means paying it back with interest for a long time. I paid off my debt 10 years after graduation, and the kids now will have to take much more. You can get a service job or be a telemarketer, but other job opportunities are scarce with no education.
The rift between rich people and poor people is growing constantly, as unemployment is skyrocketing and the government keeps cutting benefits. Is it better than say the US? Yes, so far. But who knows what the future holds. We’re becoming more and more right wing and less and less fair by the month.
There’s alot of nimbying too. A form of sort of corruption where “better” people are really against having things built on their neighbourhood that lower their perceived value.
Like kindergartens, schools, mental health and substance users supported living and treatment facilities or bigger flats designed for people of lower income class.
that is partly BS, because “rich” will settle together and their children will go to the same school and will naturally get better teachers (which is most important part). Segregation by income will never go away.
Girlypop (gender neutral), just wait until you go through immigration and getting ID verification; you might stop romanticizing it real quick when you’re stuck here with no bank account to get paid the money you need for registration that you need to pay for your immigration appointment which you need in order to get some form of verified ID so you can finally sign things so you finally get to rent an apartment so you have an address to get registered so you can get a bank account that you can get paid into
A wise man once said, ‘Do not believe everything you see on the internet.
This is propaganda that is trying to push an american leftist political agenda.
Stop spreading propaganda!
It’s true I guess but we have about 3 people that would be rich enough to pay up anyway.
Want to get into a good school in Finland? Speak swedish. They do not allow S2 (kids who don’t speak finnish as first language) into swedish speaking some at all. Swedish or gtfo. This zero immigrants in them.
Little bit of simplifying things, but basically all schools are the same, and practically every teacher has masters degree.
Rich kids mix with normal kids is the biggest lie ever 😀
not really, rich kids live in their own areas and go to their own schools
Back in the 90’s, kids born in to rich households would get graded higher if they did their schoolwork with a computer. If your parents couldn’t afford a computer and a printer, tough shit, you would get lower grades – which means you wouldn’t be qualified for the better secondary schools
Finland has always had financial segregation
But the rich people dont want to live in same areas as poor people. And schools are defined by zip code
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