I have no idea what, JSO even wanted, just checked on the website, It says
“What does Just Stop Oil want?
We demand that the government immediately halt all future licensing and consents for the exploration, development and production of fossil fuels in the UK.”
I mean don’t we already kind of do that? What big oil drilling projects are been planed for at the moment or in the future are they not all been wound down anyway.
It’s not like we can just stop the current production and projects that are underway as we are still going to need to use fossil fuels for a bunch of stuff over the next 20 or so years.
But if we find we are still reliant on it and we need something it’s not like we can just turn around and say no to a project, because It’s not the rich people who are going to be fucked over its poorer people who cannot afford to buy the new electric car or convert their whole house away from gas.
I enjoy silently listening to people in the office talk about these protest groups.
They usually complain about how they’re causing more pollution with what they’re doing.
Nobody I know supports them but I do secretly. Not because of the political statement or the environment but because of how annoyed they make people in the office.
One staff member stomped back into the office starting screaming he’s been everywhere and can’t find any diesel so wouldn’t be able to get home.
Such drama, when you work in finance it really spices up the day.
Tbh I don’t know too much about their cause and other groups such as Extinction Rebellion. However what I have found interesting was how much the public got behind the increasingly hot topic of climate change, with loads of support for Greta Thunberg, COP and so on.
Then at some point in the pandemic there was a shift in attitude with these groups at the centre of it. It was as if the public were like “oh, I don’t like climate change and I said we need to do everything to fight it but I didn’t mean to the point where it interrupts my day”.
Simultaneously the pandemic was happening and governments around the world were attempting to pass new laws limiting the public right to protest.
Whenever these protest groups are on television I pretty much never see a balanced discussion. I actually want to hear a reasonable debate and what they have to say, but the press clamps down on them big time, derailing conversations and so on. Maybe they are the “bad guys”. I’m not sure. I don’t know what to think.
Either way, something doesn’t sit right with me. It has me suspicious.
One was given airtime on GB news. She said we have to stop oil production because there is a cost of living crisis.
Clearly fucking clueless about basic economics. Stop oil production. It becomes a scarce resource. The price of oil soars. Everything around you costs more. The world will riot. The Arab Spring started over the high cost of bread due to money speculators.
Yet this student reckons she has the solution?
Richard Madeley cosplaying as a serious journalist is the funniest shit ever
Why is it these movements are named in such a way it seems to just bolster the opposition.
It’s like when there were those police riots in America, then suddenly there was a group using the slogan “Defund the police”, which is an incredibly stupid message to broadcast out to the pubic if you want support.
I might be verging too closely to conspiracy theory here but if I was in the billionaire class seeing my comfortable world maybe being shook a little. It would be extremely easy to pay someone very good at PR + psych-ops + a bit of astrotufing + some useful idiots.
Suddenly you have a movement which pisses the general populous off and steers them backwards into the direction you want, so your position is safe.
I think they would get more support if they occupied government buildings, directly inconvenience the people who can actually make decisions.
Richard Madeley is just Alan Partridge with less self-awareness.
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It’s an age olf British issue, perhaps even global. We say we support freedom of speech and protests as a democratic Country, but not if it inconveniences us. That old bag saying that in a democracy a minority should not inconvenience the masses clearly forgot how most legistlations and changes came into being. Her female ancestors wouldn’t have even participated in democracy were it not for a minority group of women who protested for the right to vote.
There is no simple right or wrong in protest. I’m a lazy bastard who doesn’t protest in the streets, mostly because I feel it doesn’t effect much change. It’s always dictated by police and media, and really I’m just too bloody lazy to go out with a placard. But, climate change has been a drum that’s been beaten since as far as I can remember. If nothing is being done, then I can fully understand people taking things up a notch. Do the ends justify the means?
Well, our lives are more inconvenienced by this climate change than protest. Also, that Lowri Turner is just a salty cunt, and when that other bitter cunt face Priti Patel is also against it, well then I am led to think the other camp may be the ‘good guys’. I mean, as a counter opposition, you’ve got a shite neo lib journalist with a ‘diploma in nutiritonal therapy’, and a guy that is most famous for blacking up as Ali G offering their views. There’s no hope!
The common theme with these newer protest bodies is they inconvenience the public. That is a completely bizarre approach to this problem.
I mean if you wished to turn the public against your position that is a very good way of doing it.
What they need to do is embarass government, the public shouldn’t ever even be slightly inconvenienced.
The line of questioning about clothing was just odd and downright insulting
It was 50 degrees in VANCOUVER last summer. When that happens to the UK (and it will), ancient oak forests will burn down.
Then maybe people will realise that it is an issue that affects them.
p.s. madeley is a cunt.
>We’re demanding that the UK government ends all new oil licences, exploration and consent in the North Sea. It’s a simple message that’s in line with science.
While it might be the right thing to do scientifically, the UK would grind to halt fairly quickly. Either that or have to buy from Russia.
Global warming, ocean acidification, microplastics are all serious, maybe even existential problems with their roots in fossil fuel extraction but you know we don’t like this particular group’s protest tactics so I guess it’s time to roll coal.
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There is a climate crisis and we need to do something about it. However repeated protests, media appearances, and being a general nuisance will not encourage anyone to make necessary changes. Insulate Britain, Extinction Rebellion, Just Stop Oil, and others like them may want to do ‘something’, but all they are doing is providing ammunition to their opponents and golden images [like this.](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/%2Fmethode%2Ftimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2F4f85a300-3d7f-11ec-b854-3913c9478fcd.jpg?crop=1078%2C719%2C100%2C0)
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I have no idea what, JSO even wanted, just checked on the website, It says
“What does Just Stop Oil want?
We demand that the government immediately halt all future licensing and consents for the exploration, development and production of fossil fuels in the UK.”
I mean don’t we already kind of do that? What big oil drilling projects are been planed for at the moment or in the future are they not all been wound down anyway.
It’s not like we can just stop the current production and projects that are underway as we are still going to need to use fossil fuels for a bunch of stuff over the next 20 or so years.
But if we find we are still reliant on it and we need something it’s not like we can just turn around and say no to a project, because It’s not the rich people who are going to be fucked over its poorer people who cannot afford to buy the new electric car or convert their whole house away from gas.
I enjoy silently listening to people in the office talk about these protest groups.
They usually complain about how they’re causing more pollution with what they’re doing.
Nobody I know supports them but I do secretly. Not because of the political statement or the environment but because of how annoyed they make people in the office.
One staff member stomped back into the office starting screaming he’s been everywhere and can’t find any diesel so wouldn’t be able to get home.
Such drama, when you work in finance it really spices up the day.
Tbh I don’t know too much about their cause and other groups such as Extinction Rebellion. However what I have found interesting was how much the public got behind the increasingly hot topic of climate change, with loads of support for Greta Thunberg, COP and so on.
Then at some point in the pandemic there was a shift in attitude with these groups at the centre of it. It was as if the public were like “oh, I don’t like climate change and I said we need to do everything to fight it but I didn’t mean to the point where it interrupts my day”.
Simultaneously the pandemic was happening and governments around the world were attempting to pass new laws limiting the public right to protest.
Whenever these protest groups are on television I pretty much never see a balanced discussion. I actually want to hear a reasonable debate and what they have to say, but the press clamps down on them big time, derailing conversations and so on. Maybe they are the “bad guys”. I’m not sure. I don’t know what to think.
Either way, something doesn’t sit right with me. It has me suspicious.
One was given airtime on GB news. She said we have to stop oil production because there is a cost of living crisis.
Clearly fucking clueless about basic economics. Stop oil production. It becomes a scarce resource. The price of oil soars. Everything around you costs more. The world will riot. The Arab Spring started over the high cost of bread due to money speculators.
Yet this student reckons she has the solution?
Richard Madeley cosplaying as a serious journalist is the funniest shit ever
Why is it these movements are named in such a way it seems to just bolster the opposition.
It’s like when there were those police riots in America, then suddenly there was a group using the slogan “Defund the police”, which is an incredibly stupid message to broadcast out to the pubic if you want support.
I might be verging too closely to conspiracy theory here but if I was in the billionaire class seeing my comfortable world maybe being shook a little. It would be extremely easy to pay someone very good at PR + psych-ops + a bit of astrotufing + some useful idiots.
Suddenly you have a movement which pisses the general populous off and steers them backwards into the direction you want, so your position is safe.
I think they would get more support if they occupied government buildings, directly inconvenience the people who can actually make decisions.
Richard Madeley is just Alan Partridge with less self-awareness.
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It’s an age olf British issue, perhaps even global. We say we support freedom of speech and protests as a democratic Country, but not if it inconveniences us. That old bag saying that in a democracy a minority should not inconvenience the masses clearly forgot how most legistlations and changes came into being. Her female ancestors wouldn’t have even participated in democracy were it not for a minority group of women who protested for the right to vote.
There is no simple right or wrong in protest. I’m a lazy bastard who doesn’t protest in the streets, mostly because I feel it doesn’t effect much change. It’s always dictated by police and media, and really I’m just too bloody lazy to go out with a placard. But, climate change has been a drum that’s been beaten since as far as I can remember. If nothing is being done, then I can fully understand people taking things up a notch. Do the ends justify the means?
Well, our lives are more inconvenienced by this climate change than protest. Also, that Lowri Turner is just a salty cunt, and when that other bitter cunt face Priti Patel is also against it, well then I am led to think the other camp may be the ‘good guys’. I mean, as a counter opposition, you’ve got a shite neo lib journalist with a ‘diploma in nutiritonal therapy’, and a guy that is most famous for blacking up as Ali G offering their views. There’s no hope!
The common theme with these newer protest bodies is they inconvenience the public. That is a completely bizarre approach to this problem.
I mean if you wished to turn the public against your position that is a very good way of doing it.
What they need to do is embarass government, the public shouldn’t ever even be slightly inconvenienced.
The line of questioning about clothing was just odd and downright insulting
It was 50 degrees in VANCOUVER last summer. When that happens to the UK (and it will), ancient oak forests will burn down.
Then maybe people will realise that it is an issue that affects them.
p.s. madeley is a cunt.
>We’re demanding that the UK government ends all new oil licences, exploration and consent in the North Sea. It’s a simple message that’s in line with science.
While it might be the right thing to do scientifically, the UK would grind to halt fairly quickly. Either that or have to buy from Russia.
Global warming, ocean acidification, microplastics are all serious, maybe even existential problems with their roots in fossil fuel extraction but you know we don’t like this particular group’s protest tactics so I guess it’s time to roll coal.