Hi! What is the answer here? Seems to me a deadlock situation though. Thanks!

by Additional_Yam8583

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  1. There is no deadlock. There is no sign so right-before-left applies. Option 1 is correct.

  2. Typically this is a multiple choice question, so options 1 and 2 are correct

  3. Option 1 and 2 are correct. If it is a multiple choice question.

  4. You should be able to select more than one in the test. So as there are no signs, right before left applies. That means the bike goes first, so 1) is correct. You are right of the blue car so you go second. That means 2) is also correct.

  5. Option 1 and 2 would apply.
    First the motorcycle and afterwards you, the blue car is the last

  6. 1 & 2

    Bike has nothing to it’s right, so goes first

    Then you will have nothing to your right, so you move next.

  7. In germany the blue car always has to wait. If you yourself also have a blue car, you have to exit and meet the other bluecardriver in the middle of the road where you have to play a best of three scissors paper rock to decide who can go first.

  8. The letting drivers doing straight when I’m turning left applies only when the right hand rule alone cannot determine the order.

  9. The correct solution is you have to give way to the bike and the blue car has to give way for you.

    So the correct answer is 1 and 2

  10. Blue CANT MOVE until you do (right before left block!)

    You CANT MOVE until the bike does (right before left block!)

    The bike CAN MOVE (no right before left block!)

    -> Ergo, bike moves first.

    That’s it. That’s all that matters. Right before left!

    If both blue and the bike were allowed to move (if you didnt exist, ergo blue wasnt blocked by right before left), then the bike would have to yield to blue. But blue is not allowed to move.

  11. The rule is you gotta let the one on the right go first if there is no any signs. In this case bike goes first and then you then blue car.

  12. First let the bike, then you have prio over the blue car. So as many are saying, I deem 1 and 2 correct.

    The general rule I learnt back in the day for these situations is that those who have their right “free” (nobody is there) have prio.

  13. 1&2 are the true answers

    rechts vor links ohne schild und lampe und polizei ist der stand

  14. The Motorcycle has to pass the blue car, because he want to drive left.

    Edit: Option 3 is the only one correct answer.

  15. Its 1 and 2.

    Right priority takes precedence on unsignaled intersections.

    For those claiming that the bike has to give way to blue, you are seeing this cross or intersection wrong.

    The bike is not turning left in 2 moves, as in once to the middle, which then would put the blue car to his right. It is a normal left. He has no car on his right the moment he enters the intersection, so he is good to go.

    The blue car has you on the right, so he can’t go until you do. And you have the bike, so you can’t go until he does.

    It’s a rather simple situation.

    Again, the rule of right before left applies when you enter the intersection, not every single second of the turn.

    Cheers,

    Edit: spelling

  16. Crazy how many incorrect comments there are.

    You guys should consider reading the rules again or visit a driving school.

  17. Not serious but most likely happening practically: motorcycle let blue to pass to not die crossing its way as not trusting, blue drives first as “i am going straight, why I need to stop” without even dropping speed. So blue, bike, you 🙂

  18. Wow looking at the answers, I no longer wonder why people drive the way they drive on the German roads!

  19. It is a deadlock situation because someone has to yield their right of way. In real world, in my experience, the blue car has right of way over bike, and since you have to wait for bike, blue car drives like you don’t exist, then bike goes, then you go. So number 3 would apply. 

    Unless, you drive an Audi R~ or BMW M~ or any Mercedes less than 3 years old, then everyone must praise your magnificence as you claim dominion and drive through the Kreuzung without even tapping brakes.

    In hypothetical land, the blue car lets the motorcycle turn, because Blue can’t go until you go, then let’s you go past, and then drives away. So B and C.

  20. This is the classic patt situation, where nobody can drive first. Here are the rules “Vorfahrt” (right before left since no signs are there) and “Vorrang” (if you want to turn left, the one driving straight drives first)

    Answer is 3, you have to give up your right to drive before the blue car. If the blue car is gone, the bike can drive before you, since it’s to the right of you, and last but not least you drive

    Edit: spelling, and to give some context, i am a driving teacher

  21. In this situation you have to communicate.

    Here’s the Rechts-vor-Links-Regel explained, if you scroll down a bit you also find this classical situation with solutions and explanations 🙂

    https://www.bussgeldkatalog.org/rechts-vor-links/#deny

    Edit: I would give the motorcycle driver a sign and wait until the bike has crossed “my” lane. Then it would be my turn to drive (so I drive before the other car drives, Nr. 2 is correct).

    The other 2 drivers should communicate too. If the other car driver insists on their right, other car can drive before the motorcycle driver leaves the crossing (as there’s no one coming from the right any more and left-turners have to let the Gegenverkehr pass).
    But irl it’s quite common to let a driver who’s already in the middle of the crossing leave the scene.

    My driving instructor used to say the most important rule is that only one vehicle can be at the same place in the same time.

  22. Dude how many people here don´t know how to drive, no wonder the streets are filled with idiots.

    StVO § 9 (3): Wer abbiegen will, muss entgegenkommende Fahrzeuge durchfahren lassen (…)

    Blue is a entgegenkommendes Fahrzeug.

    The bike has to yield to the blue car. The only solution is communitcation between the blue car and the bike.

    https://www.bussgeldkatalog.org/rechts-vor-links/

    [https://www.frag-den-fahrlehrer.de/2016/03/31/rechts-vor-links-drei-fahrzeuge-und-keiner-darf-fahren/](https://www.frag-den-fahrlehrer.de/2016/03/31/rechts-vor-links-drei-fahrzeuge-und-keiner-darf-fahren/)

  23. To everybody saying this isnt a deadlock, tell me why it wouldnt be one?

    My take, and why it is one:

    First lets take a look into our beloved StVO:

    [§ 8 StVO 2013 ](https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stvo_2013/__8.html)states in paragraph 1: At Intersections and junctions he who comes from the right has the right of way. Theres exceptions written in this paragraph and paragraph 2, but they do not apply here, so I’m not going to write it down.

    -> based on that, blue has to yield to us and we have to yield to the bike. So the bike should be the first to go right? Well no, cause [§ 9 StVO 2013 ](https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stvo_2013/__9.html)Paragraph 3 states: He who turns left has to yield to oncoming traffic.

    -> based on that, the bike has to yield to the blue car.

    And here is where the deadlock happens, Blue has to yield to us, we have to yield to the bike and the bike has to yield to blue. So everyone of us 3 has to yield to someone in the intersection, basically no one could drive without taking someones right of way. People saying Right before Left has more weight than §9, where does that come from? Theres no Law and no court ruling stating that or similar “Vorfahrt vor Vorrang”.

    The question in itself is not wrong, neither are the “correct” answers (1 and 2), BUT in reality all 3 would have to communicate with gestures about who goes first. Theoretically, The bike could go straight into the intersection, so we could drive straight passing behind it, then the blue car could go straight and after that the biker could turn. Practically, this probably wont work. To me, the question and answers just seem worded poorly, hence the confusion. Usually the answer in one of these questions is “Everybody has to be cautious and communicate with each other, about who goes first”

  24. I really hope most of the comments are from 12 yo without driving licence.

    If you want to turn left you have to wait too, no priorities in right for left 

  25. First: according to Recht vor links = Biker.

    BUT as he wants to turn left, he needs to give way to Blue Car.

    So: Blue Car first, then Biker

    Last: Your POV.

  26. The amount of incorrect comments and people arguing that “the red bike goes first then me (Answers 1 &2)” is completely wrong make me scared to drive now.

    Holy fuck. Please go back to driving school. Or you know, attend one. 🙃

    Rechts vor Links, people. You’re in an intersection without the diamond street sign therefore, you’re automatically deprioritized. Vehicle on the right goes first regardless if they want to turn or go straight.

  27. Near as I can tell (I’m not European),
    – Motorcycle must wait for the Blue car to go straight.
    – I must wait for the Motorcycle to make the turn. Who must wait for the Blue car to go straight.
    – **∴**, 3) I am the last to drive.

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