Trouble is they dont care and neither do their rabid supporters.
Hopefully the Met will release a further batch on the morning of the May elections.
For about a week, maybe two.
Neither of them really know shame, particularly Johnson. He revels in shame like it’s a virtue, and his followers, sorry, supporters think it’s funny and something to be applauded.
I mean, they blatantly gave incorrect advice in order to maximise profit over PPE masks; child poverty has risen to 1 in 4 children; people are choosing between eating and heating, and we’re the only G20 country where life expectancy is falling…and I’m barely scratching the surface.
That “shame” hasn’t stuck, and I can’t see this sticking either. They do as they please with impunity, all the while changing the law to ensure it continues that way.
The really sad thing is just how quickly our governmental institutions fell to these depths of depravity and blatant theft and corruption. The “gentleman’s agreement” method of checks and balances hasn’t worked…because it needs people to act in the spirit of “gentlemen”.
So far we’ve had one tory MP charged with child sex offences, one defending him, two found to have disregarded the laws they were responsible for, and fined for it whilst holding office, one defending them and claiming that because there’s a war in another country that we shouldn’t be calling for resignations, then changing his mind after seeing public opinion polls, and another hell bent on getting revenge on a whole TV channel for daring to question the Prime Minister and “empty chairing” him when he refused to debate his peers in the run-up to an election.
And it’s only just the start of Wednesday.
We are now governed by a criminal enterprise.
Johnson broke the law, the first PM in history to do this in office, and refuses to resign. Worse, his party is complicit in this law breaking and will not do the right thing even if the charlatan refuses too.
Imagine if this happened in a third world country? We would be castigating criminal governance and calling for regime change.
Not in the UK, criminal behaviour is now acceptable at the very top of British government.
That’s where we are.
The assumption here being that they feel shame about anything.
Johnson is a serial adulterer, and Rishi doesn’t care if children starve. Neither have any shame.
The Tory MPs are out in force today with a combination of lies, obfuscation and excuses.
To their supporters this makes them clever, or it isn’t relevant.
I’m so disgusted with the whole thing. It’s by far the worst thing I’ve seen in UK politics in my over 50 years.
*the entire Conservative party, perhaps the UK government
In the same general area, when is Johnson going to release the Dyson texts he promised last year?
People don’t seem to suffer from shame in politics anymore. There has been a general lowering of standards in public life.
At this point every Conservative in the country is responsible for allowing this to continue.
All Conservatives have 0 integrity and 0 credibility, and I’m absolutely disgusted that anyone is still willing to put them selves forward as a Conservative at a local or national level.
The May elections are coming. Enough is enough.
Sunak I believe has been shat on from a great height by the Boris brigade.
Had he resigned he would have partly shown some degree of sincerity ( I know, I know) . The main impact would have been revenge and massive pressure on the prime minister. His continued support for a man who is one push away from hurling him off of a cliff is astonishing.
What a coincidence the Boris decided to play “wartime PM” the same week that his fines dropped for breaking the law.
They’re forcing disabled people to move from ESA to Universal Credit by 2024 and by doing so freezing their benefits for c.10years.
Well that’s the best case, a lot will lose money and not get back to the rate they received previously until that 2034 has passed.
They don’t know shame, they don’t care at all.
seems like Tory MPs are following the same copy paste narrative. Johnson cant go because Ukraine? absolute nonsense, as if he’s going to leave AFTER the wars is done then eh?
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Can’t imagine wanting to defend this terrible Prime Minister and corrupt person.
But people will still vote for this pair of cunt , which for me is the more frightening thing .
I hope one of them has the gall to challenge the fine in a criminal court. I just cannot believe the bare faced, gung-ho attitude from the both of them. They have been found out, they have lied to us all, in the House of Commons, to the Queen and their own staff who backed them. If the 1922 committee has *any* shred or modicum of self awareness, they will drag both of them into a quiet room and sort this out.
In 2022, we somehow have not managed to reform our constitution and laws enough that we are now faced with a sitting Prime Minister that has broken the law and lied to Parliament and *not resigned or been sacked.*
This has international gravitas. The developed countries of the world will see this and wonder how the UK has fallen so much in terms of reputation. The PM and his cronies are dragging the high offices they hold through the mud in the name of populism and self-enrichment.
Vote them out.
They have no shame.
complete lack of integrity and talent.
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They have no concept of shame .
They are mildly irritated they are being required to address this situation.
They are slightly confused they are required to pretend to have any remorse for the situation.
We are expected to be comfortable with our leadership happily lying to us, hypocritically we scorn Russians for doing the same.
The disingenuous token apologies , do not even make basic sense.
We are installing in the younger generations, that it is perfectly acceptable to lie , all these young people who were made to isolate , miss out on normal life, was all a farce.
Imagine a head teacher, form tutor and bursar holding repeated assemblies to instruct all students they must never smoke, as it will cause harm and there will be harsh punishments .
Then on the same day, both the head teacher, bursar , form tutor and some of the staff are caught smoking in the head’s office and staff room, something they repeatably do.
Then the head teacher, form tutor, bursar and staff , all deny they smoked, despite all the staff witnessing them doing so, then the rest of staff aid the head teacher, form tutor, bursar and staff to continue to lie to the children that it ever happened.
Only after ofsted and child protection services are bought in , do the
head teacher, form tutor, bursar and staff reluctantly admit they did smoke, but hey it does not matter , as there are now exams on.
Not one child in that school would have a single iota of respect or trust in the faculty.
We are normalising lying, we are expected to be comfortable with a leadership who gives not a single fuck if they are honest and straightforward with us.
In any other aspect of life, we stop interacting with people who enjoy lying to us repeatably, this is an entirely abusive situation we are enabling.
By enabling this behaviour all our younger generation have loth faith and respect for us as members of communities, and society as a whole.
Try making the statement ,”Do the right thing “, we can’t , without being hypocrites , when we do not hold leadership to account.
Sadly the masses will stop caring in couple of weeks when they spin some rubbish about Labour.
As many have said, these two have no shame and people will still vote for them. We need every journalist, media personality to remind these two wherever they go about all the awful shit they’ve done. Maybe then it will click.
If the Jimmy Savile debacle proved anything it’s that justice will never arrive for the elite if you expect other elites to deliver it.
The legal system, the police, the state controlled media are there to follow orders from above, not demands from below.
Allowing 170k people (and rising) to die, and embezzling tens of billions for their mates, but it’s having a party that really makes people turn against them.
Will it really though?
That floppy haired cunt could kill a dog on live tv and still somehow get away with it.
Shame isn’t a concept that Johnson and Sunak are acquainted with. So probably unlikely that either of them are going to feel it.
The fact his wife does what she does to avoid paying tax here is remarkable
I don’t want shame yo cling to them. I want our political system to be gutted and rebuilt from the ground up in a way that actually benefits the masses and not these pricks.
Nah people will forget and they’ll be right as rain.
Shame doesn’t work on Tories and it’s odd the Guardian don’t get this.
What gets rid of Tories is scandal, something the press are being handed in spades at this point. Just fucking get rid of them.
Shame? He should have been called Teflon not Boris – not because nothing sticks but because he doesn’t give enough of a f@ck to feel any – it all bounces off him. And Sunak? He has enough money to not give a damn about being shamed.
It’s different when you have nothing BUT your pride as shame takes that away from you. They don’t care about their pride so shame means nothing to them.
Bet their fines are not in line with their incomes so it will just be a slap on the wrist to them. Remember if being fined is the only punishment then it’s not a punishment for the rich.
OK can someone explain to me how exactly Boris at least hasn’t been found to be misleading parliament yet? That’s a serious question by the way, I’m not just being rhetorical.
I’m really confused by this because I remember that SNP MP getting ejected for suggesting such an action despite following protocol. The protocol iirc is to announce the intent to accuse an MP of misleading the house, which he did, then have a written copy of the session in which your are refferring to, which he did, and then refer to the timestamp of the statement and counteract that statement that not that it’s false, but the MP saying so did so under false pretenses, which Boris most certainly did. At the time it was about the statement that he wasn’t AWARE of the parties, not that he hadn’t attended them.
So now with this slap in the face how in the actual sweet sam hill has he not been found to be misleading parliament? I keep hearing people saying “He lied to parliament” but that’s just stating the obvious, where’s the actual legal ramifications for breaching the standards of the house? And I feel like saying “Cause Parliament is run by a bunch of children eating Tories with no standards” is a bit of a cop out, ~~even if it is true~~.
“Whatever they do now, shame will cling to Johnson and Sunak”
For a week or so until the public forget about it and move onto something else
I wish, these cunts are oily and sleeker than an otter.
No it won’t he lies all the time and appears to be immune from any kind of consequences from it.
Council elections needs to be an opportunity for a massive anti-tory protest vote.
Anyone but them, push their % vote share way down.
The shame of his lying didn’t stop him.
The shame of his multiple failed marriages and not knowing how many kids he has didn’t stop him.
The shame of getting into bed with racists and Nazis on brexit didn’t stop him.
The multiple other times he’s been caught breaking the law, or been accused and not even denied it didn’t stop him.
But surely, a 50 quid fine paid by someone else will be enough.
Today’s Daily Fail devoted the front page and several articles defending Johnson and telling their readers that it was time to move on, there’s a war on, he apologised ….had the Prime Minister been a Labour politician there would have been a tirade about misleading Parliament, hypocrisy, loss of public trust, ignoring laws that others had to obey etc. Please try to keep that stink in your nostrils on future polling days.
Shame will cling to them like cobwebs on a rhinoceros, and will have about as much impact on their or their supporters’ actions and opinions of them.
**STOP TRYING TO SHAME PEOPLE WITH NO SHAME. IT DOESN’T WORK.**
Wait, am I missing something? I didn’t think politicians had shame.
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Trouble is they dont care and neither do their rabid supporters.
Hopefully the Met will release a further batch on the morning of the May elections.
For about a week, maybe two.
Neither of them really know shame, particularly Johnson. He revels in shame like it’s a virtue, and his followers, sorry, supporters think it’s funny and something to be applauded.
I mean, they blatantly gave incorrect advice in order to maximise profit over PPE masks; child poverty has risen to 1 in 4 children; people are choosing between eating and heating, and we’re the only G20 country where life expectancy is falling…and I’m barely scratching the surface.
That “shame” hasn’t stuck, and I can’t see this sticking either. They do as they please with impunity, all the while changing the law to ensure it continues that way.
The really sad thing is just how quickly our governmental institutions fell to these depths of depravity and blatant theft and corruption. The “gentleman’s agreement” method of checks and balances hasn’t worked…because it needs people to act in the spirit of “gentlemen”.
So far we’ve had one tory MP charged with child sex offences, one defending him, two found to have disregarded the laws they were responsible for, and fined for it whilst holding office, one defending them and claiming that because there’s a war in another country that we shouldn’t be calling for resignations, then changing his mind after seeing public opinion polls, and another hell bent on getting revenge on a whole TV channel for daring to question the Prime Minister and “empty chairing” him when he refused to debate his peers in the run-up to an election.
And it’s only just the start of Wednesday.
We are now governed by a criminal enterprise.
Johnson broke the law, the first PM in history to do this in office, and refuses to resign. Worse, his party is complicit in this law breaking and will not do the right thing even if the charlatan refuses too.
Imagine if this happened in a third world country? We would be castigating criminal governance and calling for regime change.
Not in the UK, criminal behaviour is now acceptable at the very top of British government.
That’s where we are.
The assumption here being that they feel shame about anything.
Johnson is a serial adulterer, and Rishi doesn’t care if children starve. Neither have any shame.
The Tory MPs are out in force today with a combination of lies, obfuscation and excuses.
To their supporters this makes them clever, or it isn’t relevant.
I’m so disgusted with the whole thing. It’s by far the worst thing I’ve seen in UK politics in my over 50 years.
*the entire Conservative party, perhaps the UK government
In the same general area, when is Johnson going to release the Dyson texts he promised last year?
People don’t seem to suffer from shame in politics anymore. There has been a general lowering of standards in public life.
At this point every Conservative in the country is responsible for allowing this to continue.
All Conservatives have 0 integrity and 0 credibility, and I’m absolutely disgusted that anyone is still willing to put them selves forward as a Conservative at a local or national level.
The May elections are coming. Enough is enough.
Sunak I believe has been shat on from a great height by the Boris brigade.
Had he resigned he would have partly shown some degree of sincerity ( I know, I know) . The main impact would have been revenge and massive pressure on the prime minister. His continued support for a man who is one push away from hurling him off of a cliff is astonishing.
What a coincidence the Boris decided to play “wartime PM” the same week that his fines dropped for breaking the law.
They’re forcing disabled people to move from ESA to Universal Credit by 2024 and by doing so freezing their benefits for c.10years.
Well that’s the best case, a lot will lose money and not get back to the rate they received previously until that 2034 has passed.
They don’t know shame, they don’t care at all.
seems like Tory MPs are following the same copy paste narrative. Johnson cant go because Ukraine? absolute nonsense, as if he’s going to leave AFTER the wars is done then eh?
​
Can’t imagine wanting to defend this terrible Prime Minister and corrupt person.
But people will still vote for this pair of cunt , which for me is the more frightening thing .
I hope one of them has the gall to challenge the fine in a criminal court. I just cannot believe the bare faced, gung-ho attitude from the both of them. They have been found out, they have lied to us all, in the House of Commons, to the Queen and their own staff who backed them. If the 1922 committee has *any* shred or modicum of self awareness, they will drag both of them into a quiet room and sort this out.
In 2022, we somehow have not managed to reform our constitution and laws enough that we are now faced with a sitting Prime Minister that has broken the law and lied to Parliament and *not resigned or been sacked.*
This has international gravitas. The developed countries of the world will see this and wonder how the UK has fallen so much in terms of reputation. The PM and his cronies are dragging the high offices they hold through the mud in the name of populism and self-enrichment.
Vote them out.
They have no shame.
complete lack of integrity and talent.
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They have no concept of shame .
They are mildly irritated they are being required to address this situation.
They are slightly confused they are required to pretend to have any remorse for the situation.
We are expected to be comfortable with our leadership happily lying to us, hypocritically we scorn Russians for doing the same.
The disingenuous token apologies , do not even make basic sense.
We are installing in the younger generations, that it is perfectly acceptable to lie , all these young people who were made to isolate , miss out on normal life, was all a farce.
Imagine a head teacher, form tutor and bursar holding repeated assemblies to instruct all students they must never smoke, as it will cause harm and there will be harsh punishments .
Then on the same day, both the head teacher, bursar , form tutor and some of the staff are caught smoking in the head’s office and staff room, something they repeatably do.
Then the head teacher, form tutor, bursar and staff , all deny they smoked, despite all the staff witnessing them doing so, then the rest of staff aid the head teacher, form tutor, bursar and staff to continue to lie to the children that it ever happened.
Only after ofsted and child protection services are bought in , do the
head teacher, form tutor, bursar and staff reluctantly admit they did smoke, but hey it does not matter , as there are now exams on.
Not one child in that school would have a single iota of respect or trust in the faculty.
We are normalising lying, we are expected to be comfortable with a leadership who gives not a single fuck if they are honest and straightforward with us.
In any other aspect of life, we stop interacting with people who enjoy lying to us repeatably, this is an entirely abusive situation we are enabling.
By enabling this behaviour all our younger generation have loth faith and respect for us as members of communities, and society as a whole.
Try making the statement ,”Do the right thing “, we can’t , without being hypocrites , when we do not hold leadership to account.
Sadly the masses will stop caring in couple of weeks when they spin some rubbish about Labour.
As many have said, these two have no shame and people will still vote for them. We need every journalist, media personality to remind these two wherever they go about all the awful shit they’ve done. Maybe then it will click.
If the Jimmy Savile debacle proved anything it’s that justice will never arrive for the elite if you expect other elites to deliver it.
The legal system, the police, the state controlled media are there to follow orders from above, not demands from below.
Allowing 170k people (and rising) to die, and embezzling tens of billions for their mates, but it’s having a party that really makes people turn against them.
Will it really though?
That floppy haired cunt could kill a dog on live tv and still somehow get away with it.
Shame isn’t a concept that Johnson and Sunak are acquainted with. So probably unlikely that either of them are going to feel it.
The fact his wife does what she does to avoid paying tax here is remarkable
I don’t want shame yo cling to them. I want our political system to be gutted and rebuilt from the ground up in a way that actually benefits the masses and not these pricks.
Nah people will forget and they’ll be right as rain.
Shame doesn’t work on Tories and it’s odd the Guardian don’t get this.
What gets rid of Tories is scandal, something the press are being handed in spades at this point. Just fucking get rid of them.
Shame? He should have been called Teflon not Boris – not because nothing sticks but because he doesn’t give enough of a f@ck to feel any – it all bounces off him. And Sunak? He has enough money to not give a damn about being shamed.
It’s different when you have nothing BUT your pride as shame takes that away from you. They don’t care about their pride so shame means nothing to them.
Bet their fines are not in line with their incomes so it will just be a slap on the wrist to them. Remember if being fined is the only punishment then it’s not a punishment for the rich.
OK can someone explain to me how exactly Boris at least hasn’t been found to be misleading parliament yet? That’s a serious question by the way, I’m not just being rhetorical.
I’m really confused by this because I remember that SNP MP getting ejected for suggesting such an action despite following protocol. The protocol iirc is to announce the intent to accuse an MP of misleading the house, which he did, then have a written copy of the session in which your are refferring to, which he did, and then refer to the timestamp of the statement and counteract that statement that not that it’s false, but the MP saying so did so under false pretenses, which Boris most certainly did. At the time it was about the statement that he wasn’t AWARE of the parties, not that he hadn’t attended them.
So now with this slap in the face how in the actual sweet sam hill has he not been found to be misleading parliament? I keep hearing people saying “He lied to parliament” but that’s just stating the obvious, where’s the actual legal ramifications for breaching the standards of the house? And I feel like saying “Cause Parliament is run by a bunch of children eating Tories with no standards” is a bit of a cop out, ~~even if it is true~~.
“Whatever they do now, shame will cling to Johnson and Sunak”
For a week or so until the public forget about it and move onto something else
I wish, these cunts are oily and sleeker than an otter.
No it won’t he lies all the time and appears to be immune from any kind of consequences from it.
Council elections needs to be an opportunity for a massive anti-tory protest vote.
Anyone but them, push their % vote share way down.
The shame of his lying didn’t stop him.
The shame of his multiple failed marriages and not knowing how many kids he has didn’t stop him.
The shame of getting into bed with racists and Nazis on brexit didn’t stop him.
The multiple other times he’s been caught breaking the law, or been accused and not even denied it didn’t stop him.
But surely, a 50 quid fine paid by someone else will be enough.
Today’s Daily Fail devoted the front page and several articles defending Johnson and telling their readers that it was time to move on, there’s a war on, he apologised ….had the Prime Minister been a Labour politician there would have been a tirade about misleading Parliament, hypocrisy, loss of public trust, ignoring laws that others had to obey etc. Please try to keep that stink in your nostrils on future polling days.
Shame will cling to them like cobwebs on a rhinoceros, and will have about as much impact on their or their supporters’ actions and opinions of them.
**STOP TRYING TO SHAME PEOPLE WITH NO SHAME. IT DOESN’T WORK.**
Wait, am I missing something? I didn’t think politicians had shame.
They’re shameless, they don’t give a fuck.
The electorate will forget by the next election.
We’re fucked.