Fears as new homes set to be built on edge of Bristol… ‘soon we will have no green land at all’
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/news-opinion/fears-new-homes-set-built-10324028
by insomnimax_99
Fears as new homes set to be built on edge of Bristol… ‘soon we will have no green land at all’
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/news-opinion/fears-new-homes-set-built-10324028
by insomnimax_99
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‘Please don’t give families somewhere to live, I want to look at a field, also, it makes my own house worth more if I sell it.’
It’s a bit of an exaggeration to say there will be no green land left!
Well yes. We can’t bang on about a “population crisis” and needing everyone to start breeding more, then also complain that additional housing is eating into the countryside.
“I am all for building new homes for people”…… just not where it will depress my house value and view. We need more homes where people want to live for access to work and services, however not in my backyard is a all to common refrain.
Build up rather than out then if Countryside is so important then Japan has a countryside still while having a population over 100m
> The housing market stopped being about housing years ago and became about investment opportunities, hence the current housing crisis and homelessness problems while student flats are being built everywhere. Sad but true.
That point is valid at least.
My favourite is when coastal towns bang on about it, you’ve got one side on sea where tf did you expect the buildings to go
Ever expanding out does no one any favours (aside from house builders who can cheap out). These developments create a huge amount of infrastructure (roads, water, gas etc) that all needs to be maintained. Considering we can’t afford to maintain the roads we have now, and these developments are typically low density and have a poor tax per sq m return (usually not covering the cost of maintaining that new infrastructure, never mind the services that councils pay for, they’re a terrible idea just from a fiscal perspective; never mind an environmental one.
They’re also terrible from an individual financial perspective forcing people to own and operate at least one car; often several. That saps hundreds more a month out of local economies.
We need a change in how we build houses. We need to accept that we can no longer build outwards and we can no longer leave the vast swathes of sprawling detached and semidetached homes close to existing transport infrastructure untouched. There needs to be encouragement to increase the density of existing areas instead of sprawling out in a never ending fiscally unsustainable development pattern.
Let’s build up then.
“Oh well I don’t want big imposing towers !”
“Man who built house on green land annoyed other people have the same idea.” Should be the correct headline.
Lmao after one Google search. Quote from Visit Bristol –
“Even though Bristol is a city, it is closely surrounded by glorious countryside, there are over 400 parks and green spaces and we have some amazing outdoor visitor attractions so it’s easy to spend time outside here”.
NIMBYs are the worst pearl clutching curtain twitchers who never actually go anywhere in their local neighbourhood. We have great public transport, roads for cars, bikes and even paths through everywhere for y’know pushbikes and feet.
Local news sites always report the building of new houses as if it were a bad thing.
Less than 6% of the UK is urban development.
[How much of your area is built on? – BBC News](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41901294)
“soon we will have no green land at all” nonsense!!!!
In Chester the council are leading a project to demolish a bunch of redundant office space and shops to build housing in the city centre. Seems a great idea really; there is less demand for office space and large shop units so why not use the land for some decent density housing in an area that already has transport, leisure and all the facilities you need.
[https://www.cheshirewestandchester.gov.uk/news/ambitious-new-home-plans-for-chester-city-centre](https://www.cheshirewestandchester.gov.uk/news/ambitious-new-home-plans-for-chester-city-centre)
Yup, the 1.3% of the UK that has homes built on it is completely taking over, there’s nothing left! That’s without even mentioning roads, commercial buildings, utilities and so forth, which adds up to **over 8.7%** of the UK!
It’s just a sprawling mass of urbanization I swear.
More land in this country is used for golf courses than housing. I’m sorry but this protect the green land argument just doesn’t hold sway. Even if you doubled the land used for housing in the country it’d be 3% of total land.
The vast majority of the financial pressures facing this country stem from the fact there’s not enough houses we need to start recognising this fact amongst the general public (I know all the UK subs are aware of this in here).
Tough shit. The only way to fix the issue with house prices is build more.
You can’t want to fix the issue as long as it doesn’t affect you.
From: UK Population
* 1989 = 57m
* 1999 = 58m
* 2009 = 62m
* 2019 = 67m
* 2025 = 70m
Rough official figures. Likely +2m more unofficial by various measures.
Finally,
1. Density & Distribution is non-uniform with Urban density very high then take Bristol-London to Liverpool Leeds and the population on this postage stamp is approx. 48m of the above…
This sub does all it can to down play total numbers and their impact. A rise from 57 to 72m = 15m in approx 35 years is HUGE and worse for a small area as above mainly impacted.
It is even worse for the Environment and Nature and Resource and Energy Consumption vs Net Zero and Price Rises and Degrowth of economies SIMULTANEOUSLY.
The maths simply does not add up for rising population via mass immigration in the above which results in lower quality of life cue living crisis.
Utter bollocks. I was literally driving around the moors up in Yorkshire the other day. You can’t fucking tell me there’s no room here.
The UK has more green land than most other European countries of equivalent size.
The issue is a lot of it is still privately owned by the aristocracy.
It’s funny that there aren’t enough builders to build the houses we need to solve the housing crisis yet the likes of McCarthy and Stone seem to have no issue throwing up block after block of premium retirement housing with little to no planning resistance or skill gap.
It’s all about profit. Feel for the people of Bristol, but the same complaint is being repeated across the country, regardless of whether they are flats or houses we need to build them somewhere.
60% of all UK land is being used for animal agriculture. Since 70% of the whole country is farmland and most of that (85%) is dedicated to animals or the stuff that feeds them, if we shifted towards plant-based eating, we’d free up an incredible amount of space for housing, forests, whatever else (not to mention reduce animal suffering and climate impact).
We’d still feed everyone comfortably, but have tons of extra space for nature, affordable housing, forests, renewable energy.
We’re not short of land, we’re just using the majority of it to make meat and dairy.
There is so much land that this is just a moot point. I hate selfish NIMBY’s who only care about their money and aesthetics. They are against projects that will benefit society and improve people lives and use excuses like “protecting” the environment to justify their actions. Because of the way our system is set up, everyone gets a say in what goes on in their local council which is great for equality but it also a means a vocal minority can effectively hold up development and force them to be scaled back or even cancelled. NIMBY’s are mostly older, wealthier and more likely to vote so the government panders to them and is more likely to listen to their demands even if building housing and other projects have strong public support. Cutting red tape would only go so far as NIMBY’s are stubborn and won’t budge at all. They can’t even be educated and while the best course of action is to simply ignore them the government unfortunately has to listen to them. Fortunately younger people are increasingly becoming YIMBY’s (which is the polar opposite of NIMBY’s and are advocates for building as much housing as possible) so there might be a shift in future politics such as with zoning or planning permission reform to incentivise housing cultural.
People are fearful of the silliest things nowadays 😀
Ah yes, Bristol, the last bastion of greenery before the nuclear desert of the rest of the uk
Bristol Nimbys.
“We don’t want houses built on countryside” – because that impacts our house prices.
“We don’t want tower blocks” – because that destroys our views
“We don’t want brown field sites used” – because what about GPs, shops, sewars and it’s over building in our precious communities.
Nimbys simply do not want houses.
Fun fact: the amount of land that has been built on in the UK is less than the amount that appears when the tide goes out.
**Agriculture accounts for 63.1% of land use in England.** Reducing this footprint is one of the most effective strategies for freeing up land for housing and other urgent needs. According to the [National Food Strategy](https://www.nationalfoodstrategy.org/), this means tackling two major drivers of land demand: [high consumption of animal products](https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets#:~:text=In%20the%20hypothetical%20scenario%20in,North%20America%20and%20Brazil%20combined.) and food waste. Promoting alternatives like vertical farming and plant-based or cultivated proteins can significantly reduce the need for traditional farmland. Without these changes, the problem will only intensify. There’s an elephant in the room—our diets—and avoiding this conversation only delays meaningful solutions.
**GOV.UK reports:**
> As at April 2022:
> [8.7% of land in England is of developed use, with 91.1% of non-developed use and the remaining 0.2% being vacant.](https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/land-use-in-england-2022/land-use-statistics-england-2022)
>[The top 3 land use groups were ‘Agriculture’ (63.1%), ‘Forestry, open land and water’ (20.1%), and ‘Residential gardens’ (4.9%).](https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/land-use-in-england-2022/land-use-statistics-england-2022)
>[6.8% of land within the Green Belt is of developed use.](https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/land-use-in-england-2022/land-use-statistics-england-2022)
>[6.1% of land within Flood Zone 3 is of developed use (not accounting for flood defences).](https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/land-use-in-england-2022/land-use-statistics-england-2022)
>[5.0% of land within areas at high to medium risk of flooding from rivers and the sea is of developed use (after accounting for flood defences).](https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/land-use-in-england-2022/land-use-statistics-england-2022)
Look at satellite view on Google maps of the UK. There’s a shit ton of green land.
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