That’s social media for you. A segment of society is forever desperate to be seen to be at the cutting edge of whatever is the big new cause but they will in their fuck actually do anything to get involved and help.
We should focus more on the legends who came through with their promise of support. People to celebrate.
I wonder how many of those pledges presumed it would come with support from the government, only to then realise there was none? And realised it wasn’t a short term thing, as there’s not really an off ramp (since there’s a housing crisis that won’t lead to the refugees getting their own places after a few weeks).
Or people who pledged in the heat of the moment, for ethically sound reasons, only to then realise (especially with rocketing costs of living) the financial burden adding another person or two to their house would add.
Pledges were likely made in the initial days of the crisis from people who genuinely wanted to help, but once they examined the practicalities of the situation, realised it was something they really could not facilitate for more than a few days or weeks.
I think some of them thought they were gonna get free nanny’s and housemaids
Doesn’t say it in the article but the property needs to have
(1) broadband
(2) public transport
(3) be within walking distance of shops and amenities
That rules out a lot of places
Got a call 2 weeks ago asking if we were still interested. Said we were and we were told we’d get a call within a few days. Have heard nothing back. I’d say they’re massively understaffed
Can we not get Amy YoHuberman or Mariam to hyperbole more offers
Honestly, I think most people just saw people fleeing a war and they jumped in without thinking about the costs, and figured it would only be a short term stay while the government got official accommodation for refugees up and running.
Turns out the government has no fucking plan (shocker), so these people are now burdened with refugees for the foreseeable future (unless they kick them out).
This also further highlights how laughable the government’s plan to take up to 200,000 refugees is.
Totally unexpected. /S
My parents signed up but now they’re wondering if it’s a wise decision. There is such a lack of information about the process. It doesn’t Inspire confidence. They’re older so are quite rightly worried about being taken advantage of. There should be a clear eviction process if things don’t work out.
The UK government give 350 pounds a month to the home owner to cover the extra bills, the government here should do the same.
We offered a room. Best we can do. Only had one pro-forma email saying ‘is it still available’. They need to move a lot faster.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Some of the people who would have been able probable have rented out a room to help the housing crisis already so the capacity is probably depleted already
I know people still waiting to hear back to see if they can house refugees… Surprise surprise our government isnt organised.
And of course this sub just downvotes stuff they dont want to be true, typical.
It’s not that the Govt “doesn’t have a plan”. It’s actually a very concerted effort from a dedicated team, with cross-flow from the various refugee charities who all offer different services. It’s very “all hands on deck”.
When placing refugees, we can’t just take a mother of two with little English, place her in the middle of Kerry with no car or other Ukrainians and be like “good luck to ya now”.
For their own dignity and security, they will only be placed:
1. In or near an urban centre so no driving is required
2. As much as possible, near other Ukrainian families, so (especially if English isn’t great) they have a social outlet, also so their kids aren’t the only Ukrainian kids in the school.
This way they can also access one of the many support hubs, which now usually have Ukrainian people running them, because we’ve clustered them in the same communities.
This also helps with resource allocation E.g we don’t exactly have a lot of Ukrainian-speaking teachers so it makes sense to cluster the kids together in the one school.
What’s causing constant revisions of resource allocation is the potential hosts dropping out. Hosts SHOULD drop out if they realise, in the cold light of day, they can’t take them. Better for the refugee not to have to go through that later.
But it does mean that, because the available shelters keep changing in number in towns, they’re constantly having to revise which communities to cluster them in.
How long were the government planning on keeping the refugees in people’s homes??
I didn’t sign up because I was in a one bedroom apartment, but I’d assumed it was supposed to be a short term thing while the government got their shit together and organised accomadation for them.
This article reads like there was no further plan for what to do after the refugees had arrived!
Is that out of the places deemed fit to take refugees?
It’s not an easy thing to do, support complete strangers with no government help who have experienced such trauma for an indefinite undefined period of time in your home.
Kudos to those who are doing it, they are truly very strong honourable people.
Some of those who signed up to offer a place only did so in order to be able to tell others that they did so and never thought about it or had any real intention of going through with it.
A lot of people who pledged already found guests through other channels cause the Red Cross took so long.
Most rural places couldn’t meet the requirements the Red Cross was asking for (seperate bathroom, public transport, broadband, walking distance to shops).
There is still no financial compensation to help with bills.
You had to sign your property would be available for a year.
I mean, what in the fuck were they expecting?
Country full of folk who are more concerned with how others view them than anything else.
Inferiority complex
I am shocked. I can’t believe that after half assing every aspect of the country for decades.
9,184 just looking at any number they don’t recognise ringing out. Stay classy.
I personally think this plan of housing all these refugees in private homes is going to combust in about 6 months. I cannot imagine either having a whole family move into my house, traumatised and obviously having all their own routines and habits, or being the family having to move in with some other family. It sounds like my nightmare, war or no war, it’s sustainable for a few weeks but after that there will be chaos when all these families (Irish and ukrainian) realise they can’t live together for a long period.
My parents currently have a Ukrainian girl living with them (and they convinced one of their neighbours to also host one). She’s really nice and has incredible english. But the hosting was organised by the church my parents go to.
I’m not sure if the church was working with the government, or to what extent, but it seems like it’s really just down to local communities like that to actually solve some of this issue. And of course down to people like my parents who are luckily well-off enough to help out.
This scheme has disaster written all over it
public transport outside of Dublin LOL!!
Our government – waste of skin.
We should have taken 1000 and treated them humanely. Instread we have this mess
Let’s be honest, folks. A passing glance at the state of housing in Ireland and the chronic ineptitude of Irish authorities should have been sufficient indicators that this was not going to work.
People got caught up in the excitement at the time and assumed it would be as much effort as changing your facebook picture and yelling “Slava Ukraini!”
Now the reality of sharing your house with a group of strangers and having to pay for it yourself is setting in
My mother knows someone who has volunteered a house that could sleep 6 people easily no one living there and it’s a mile outside of the nearest village but apparently, it hasn’t been considered because it’s too far away from local amenities. I’m sure if they put a family in there they wouldn’t mind a walk into the village once a week.
I offered my spare room for refugees. I got a call from the Red Cross last week. I’m very rural. No shops/schools within 8km. No public transport. They didn’t ask if I had broadband. They asked if I had a car I could give the refugees to drive, and I said that I don’t. She asked who we’d be willing to take in etc. I also stated that I’d be fine housing an unaccompanied minor since I have 2 kids and I’m a teacher so vetting and child protection training is all up to date. She then said that our property isn’t really suitable for anyone except maybe in an emergency situation. I get that it’s remote and maybe isolating, but surely it’d be better than sleeping on a camp bed in a community centre?!
I don’t know in what order they’re contacting people but I easily meet all the criteria (in D6, multiple spare rooms and even an extra bath), and I haven’t heard a thing from the Red Cross. At this point if they call we’ll just be another “rescinded offer” since we already found someone on our own.
We have pledged and been contacted with queries by the army and red cross multiple times on a self contained property in Galway yet it remains empty. It has broadband is across the road from a school and shops and the beach and has a bud stop within 3 mins. We pledged at the very start of the war and remain committed to helping but cannot understand the delay.
I called the red cross left my details on the machine never got a call back,
While I’m sure there were legitimate reasons why some fell through but I’d say there was a fair amount of “for the gram” activists that changed their mind when the time came.
[For those who aren’t aware of the ongoing boycott of the Irish Times.](https://action.uplift.ie/campaigns/boycott-the-irish-times) They’re attempting to import British transphobia here by giving a platform to conversion therapy advocates, among other things. Please show them that Irish society will not stand for this.
A need for public transport rules out all but Dublin, Cork and one or two other places that have a semblance of public transport.
I talked to a Ukrainians living in Waterford – they came to Dublin yesterday and were “promised” a 3 bedroom house in Dublin by an estate agent.
You’re saying the government have messed up a housing situation?
Well I’ll be damned.
Relative gave up a one bedroom to refugees via the Red Cross, via the Peter McVerry Trust.
They’ve been in there over a week and no contract has been written up, nothing in writing. Most people won’t be willing to move people in without concrete evidence that they’ll get their place back in 6 months – a year and have no further obligation to them unless the choose to allow them to stay at that point.
They have to get the bureaucracies in order if they want people to actually give up the houses
~~céad~~ caoga míle fáilte
This was an absolutely crazy idea in the first place. The country has a housing shortage and some incredibly high rents as a result. Accomodation must be located to ameneties, have internet etc? Im aware of no prerequisite for those things for everybody else in the country? Espeicially when you take into account that 95 percent of the landmass of this country is rural.
This conflict is now limited to the far east and south of the country. How many of these people are actually leaving warzones.
It now appears that it was all just virtue signalling.
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I’m not in the slightest bit surprised.
Facebook warriors, all talk. Liked n shared, hun.
That’s social media for you. A segment of society is forever desperate to be seen to be at the cutting edge of whatever is the big new cause but they will in their fuck actually do anything to get involved and help.
We should focus more on the legends who came through with their promise of support. People to celebrate.
I wonder how many of those pledges presumed it would come with support from the government, only to then realise there was none? And realised it wasn’t a short term thing, as there’s not really an off ramp (since there’s a housing crisis that won’t lead to the refugees getting their own places after a few weeks).
Or people who pledged in the heat of the moment, for ethically sound reasons, only to then realise (especially with rocketing costs of living) the financial burden adding another person or two to their house would add.
Pledges were likely made in the initial days of the crisis from people who genuinely wanted to help, but once they examined the practicalities of the situation, realised it was something they really could not facilitate for more than a few days or weeks.
I think some of them thought they were gonna get free nanny’s and housemaids
Doesn’t say it in the article but the property needs to have
(1) broadband
(2) public transport
(3) be within walking distance of shops and amenities
That rules out a lot of places
Got a call 2 weeks ago asking if we were still interested. Said we were and we were told we’d get a call within a few days. Have heard nothing back. I’d say they’re massively understaffed
Can we not get Amy YoHuberman or Mariam to hyperbole more offers
Honestly, I think most people just saw people fleeing a war and they jumped in without thinking about the costs, and figured it would only be a short term stay while the government got official accommodation for refugees up and running.
Turns out the government has no fucking plan (shocker), so these people are now burdened with refugees for the foreseeable future (unless they kick them out).
This also further highlights how laughable the government’s plan to take up to 200,000 refugees is.
Totally unexpected. /S
My parents signed up but now they’re wondering if it’s a wise decision. There is such a lack of information about the process. It doesn’t Inspire confidence. They’re older so are quite rightly worried about being taken advantage of. There should be a clear eviction process if things don’t work out.
The UK government give 350 pounds a month to the home owner to cover the extra bills, the government here should do the same.
We offered a room. Best we can do. Only had one pro-forma email saying ‘is it still available’. They need to move a lot faster.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Some of the people who would have been able probable have rented out a room to help the housing crisis already so the capacity is probably depleted already
I know people still waiting to hear back to see if they can house refugees… Surprise surprise our government isnt organised.
And of course this sub just downvotes stuff they dont want to be true, typical.
It’s not that the Govt “doesn’t have a plan”. It’s actually a very concerted effort from a dedicated team, with cross-flow from the various refugee charities who all offer different services. It’s very “all hands on deck”.
When placing refugees, we can’t just take a mother of two with little English, place her in the middle of Kerry with no car or other Ukrainians and be like “good luck to ya now”.
For their own dignity and security, they will only be placed:
1. In or near an urban centre so no driving is required
2. As much as possible, near other Ukrainian families, so (especially if English isn’t great) they have a social outlet, also so their kids aren’t the only Ukrainian kids in the school.
This way they can also access one of the many support hubs, which now usually have Ukrainian people running them, because we’ve clustered them in the same communities.
This also helps with resource allocation E.g we don’t exactly have a lot of Ukrainian-speaking teachers so it makes sense to cluster the kids together in the one school.
What’s causing constant revisions of resource allocation is the potential hosts dropping out. Hosts SHOULD drop out if they realise, in the cold light of day, they can’t take them. Better for the refugee not to have to go through that later.
But it does mean that, because the available shelters keep changing in number in towns, they’re constantly having to revise which communities to cluster them in.
How long were the government planning on keeping the refugees in people’s homes??
I didn’t sign up because I was in a one bedroom apartment, but I’d assumed it was supposed to be a short term thing while the government got their shit together and organised accomadation for them.
This article reads like there was no further plan for what to do after the refugees had arrived!
Is that out of the places deemed fit to take refugees?
It’s not an easy thing to do, support complete strangers with no government help who have experienced such trauma for an indefinite undefined period of time in your home.
Kudos to those who are doing it, they are truly very strong honourable people.
Some of those who signed up to offer a place only did so in order to be able to tell others that they did so and never thought about it or had any real intention of going through with it.
A lot of people who pledged already found guests through other channels cause the Red Cross took so long.
Most rural places couldn’t meet the requirements the Red Cross was asking for (seperate bathroom, public transport, broadband, walking distance to shops).
There is still no financial compensation to help with bills.
You had to sign your property would be available for a year.
I mean, what in the fuck were they expecting?
Country full of folk who are more concerned with how others view them than anything else.
Inferiority complex
I am shocked. I can’t believe that after half assing every aspect of the country for decades.
9,184 just looking at any number they don’t recognise ringing out. Stay classy.
I personally think this plan of housing all these refugees in private homes is going to combust in about 6 months. I cannot imagine either having a whole family move into my house, traumatised and obviously having all their own routines and habits, or being the family having to move in with some other family. It sounds like my nightmare, war or no war, it’s sustainable for a few weeks but after that there will be chaos when all these families (Irish and ukrainian) realise they can’t live together for a long period.
My parents currently have a Ukrainian girl living with them (and they convinced one of their neighbours to also host one). She’s really nice and has incredible english. But the hosting was organised by the church my parents go to.
I’m not sure if the church was working with the government, or to what extent, but it seems like it’s really just down to local communities like that to actually solve some of this issue. And of course down to people like my parents who are luckily well-off enough to help out.
This scheme has disaster written all over it
public transport outside of Dublin LOL!!
Our government – waste of skin.
We should have taken 1000 and treated them humanely. Instread we have this mess
Let’s be honest, folks. A passing glance at the state of housing in Ireland and the chronic ineptitude of Irish authorities should have been sufficient indicators that this was not going to work.
People got caught up in the excitement at the time and assumed it would be as much effort as changing your facebook picture and yelling “Slava Ukraini!”
Now the reality of sharing your house with a group of strangers and having to pay for it yourself is setting in
My mother knows someone who has volunteered a house that could sleep 6 people easily no one living there and it’s a mile outside of the nearest village but apparently, it hasn’t been considered because it’s too far away from local amenities. I’m sure if they put a family in there they wouldn’t mind a walk into the village once a week.
I offered my spare room for refugees. I got a call from the Red Cross last week. I’m very rural. No shops/schools within 8km. No public transport. They didn’t ask if I had broadband. They asked if I had a car I could give the refugees to drive, and I said that I don’t. She asked who we’d be willing to take in etc. I also stated that I’d be fine housing an unaccompanied minor since I have 2 kids and I’m a teacher so vetting and child protection training is all up to date. She then said that our property isn’t really suitable for anyone except maybe in an emergency situation. I get that it’s remote and maybe isolating, but surely it’d be better than sleeping on a camp bed in a community centre?!
I don’t know in what order they’re contacting people but I easily meet all the criteria (in D6, multiple spare rooms and even an extra bath), and I haven’t heard a thing from the Red Cross. At this point if they call we’ll just be another “rescinded offer” since we already found someone on our own.
We have pledged and been contacted with queries by the army and red cross multiple times on a self contained property in Galway yet it remains empty. It has broadband is across the road from a school and shops and the beach and has a bud stop within 3 mins. We pledged at the very start of the war and remain committed to helping but cannot understand the delay.
I called the red cross left my details on the machine never got a call back,
While I’m sure there were legitimate reasons why some fell through but I’d say there was a fair amount of “for the gram” activists that changed their mind when the time came.
[For those who aren’t aware of the ongoing boycott of the Irish Times.](https://action.uplift.ie/campaigns/boycott-the-irish-times) They’re attempting to import British transphobia here by giving a platform to conversion therapy advocates, among other things. Please show them that Irish society will not stand for this.
A need for public transport rules out all but Dublin, Cork and one or two other places that have a semblance of public transport.
I talked to a Ukrainians living in Waterford – they came to Dublin yesterday and were “promised” a 3 bedroom house in Dublin by an estate agent.
You’re saying the government have messed up a housing situation?
Well I’ll be damned.
Relative gave up a one bedroom to refugees via the Red Cross, via the Peter McVerry Trust.
They’ve been in there over a week and no contract has been written up, nothing in writing. Most people won’t be willing to move people in without concrete evidence that they’ll get their place back in 6 months – a year and have no further obligation to them unless the choose to allow them to stay at that point.
They have to get the bureaucracies in order if they want people to actually give up the houses
~~céad~~ caoga míle fáilte
This was an absolutely crazy idea in the first place. The country has a housing shortage and some incredibly high rents as a result. Accomodation must be located to ameneties, have internet etc? Im aware of no prerequisite for those things for everybody else in the country? Espeicially when you take into account that 95 percent of the landmass of this country is rural.
This conflict is now limited to the far east and south of the country. How many of these people are actually leaving warzones.
It now appears that it was all just virtue signalling.
So many slacktivists.