I’m sure they can find other work. EY are entitled to make cuts, they shouldn’t be bound to every employee for life.
you aren’t owed a job?
up the workers
£13.85 for a cleaning job honestly isn’t half bad
I’m assuming the reduction in cleaners is related to a decreased need as COVID protocols are gone?
Sounds like something they could have advised their client to do
and no jobs for my kids at the textile mill either! now what?…
Comments are grim
It really sickens me how little so many corporations seem to care about cleaners, maintenance, cooks, etc…
The things people protest…
London is basically a protest venue these days LOL.
What’s the issue with this? Its the same for every subcontracted role. You are subcontracted to provide a service and if that service isnt needed any longer, they’ll stop contracting you.
It doesn’t make financial sense to employ someone if they’re not needed.
The amount of good little corpo d**riders on here is crazy
The business should be able to scale its workforce based on their requirements, in this case for less cleaning staff. However, there is a valid point that EY should to an extent look after them in my view. When big tech firms have been laying people off, they’ve been offering generous severance – which in this case would go a long way for the cleaning staff in bridging the gap to a new job and wouldn’t cost the company that much because they’re lower paid members of staff.
A lot of “I’m alright Jack” in the comments…
I’m confused. Normally, a protest would happen when a big company tries to save money by firing staff and hiring cheap labour using migrants.
Now the *migrants* are protesting….. So what are EY doing for their cleaners? Are they just not having cleaners at all??
Does anyone have more context from EY’s side?
Edit; just realised they’re cutting a third …. So presumably they’re just going to expect the other two thirds to do the same amount of work.
Would still like to know EYs justification
Assuming they’re migrants who clean (rather than people who clean migrants) then “welcome to the UK, this is how the indigenous workers are treated – get used to it”
I used to work near there. Always heard how toxic that company is. Not surprised the treat their cleaners like dirt.
I totally understand the frustration from the cleaners and maybe I don’t know enough about this and someone can enlighten me. But shouldn’t their frustration be with Mitie? Surely they will be taking a cut of their pay and the whole point of subcontracting is that it’s flexibility to hire when the need is there.
Must be hard finding marigolds with those nails…
Anyway, is it the act of the jobs being cut they’re pissed at or the “low” pay for the low/no skill job they’re paid for?
Just wait for the robot carpet cleaners and one bin emptier / toilet cleaner. That’s the next phase.
Says to me that there might have been too many cleaners tbh. Nature of business in FM that companies are constantly looking at getting the right staffing mix, or reducing total cleaning hours as their offices go more hybrid/ lean.
It would be Mitie that sign up and agree their Ts and Cs as their employer, EY is the client so they should protest against them if anyone
Paperless + Working from Home. There’s not many bins to empty?
Let’s employ some real messy workers so we can keep those 37% on the payroll.
Requirements:
– must go to toilet and not flush.
– men using urinals to miss the target so mopping needed
– desk like pig style. Sticky notes and food boxes everywhere.
– bring pets to use all areas as toilet. Owners never clean
You get the picture 😅
They lost me at migrants. Go clean your own country
Why the hell do they feel entitled to hold onto their cleaning jobs?
Greed, just pure greed.
This is awful, and I really feel for everyone involved, but I suspect that cleaning requirements everywhere have genuinely dropped given lower office occupancy.
What does EY have to do with this ? Aren’t these things outsourced to 3rd parties ? I doubt EY employs them directly.
Frankly, sounds harsh, but if you no longer require a certain service (for whatever reason), then you don’t pay for it anymore.
What am I missing ? Job loss or change aside, which admittedly can be difficult
I really don’t understand how this trend of companies laying people off while hitting record revenue has become so systemic. It happens everywhere. It’s like suddenly every company founder feels entitled to extract more money from the bottom. I was laid off 3 years ago and two months later the CEO raised his own salary of a ridiculous amount.
If a company has financial uncertainty, I get it. It sucks but it’s still understandable. But if that’s the reason and then all the management gets a raise and at the end of the quarter they boast record revenue… GTFO!
Weird logic there. I’m sure they know their employment is with Mitie not EY?
Looks like all EY did was to decide that they don’t need Mitie’s services anymore. If these people want to protest for their jobs, they should perhaps protest at their employer who sucks at retaining customers, not at their customers who decided their services aren’t needed anymore.
Was speaking about this with a pal who works at EY, there are now massive robot hoovers on in the offices. Sounds like the cleaners have been replaced with machines
They’ve done the same at my company and now the place is absolutely disgusting and the remaining cleaners overworked. Everything seems to be about cut cut cut lately and no job is safe
Corporations are dogs. They treat workers like crap and roles like cleaners are virtually invisible to them.
The greed disgusts me
I looked up Mitie. Their current strategy says they want to roll out more cleaning robotics. They provide services across thousands of sites across the uk and are a huge company not a tiny subcontractor doing EYs bidding.
It would be interesting to know if EY pays them per worker or for cleaning the building. I suspect the latter, which could mean Mitie are the ones pushing for the change. Could still be EY pressurising them by insisting on a cheaper contract of course.
Seems like a really shitty situation for these workers so i understand why they are protesting. I’m not sure if EY is the right target vs them forming a union with all mitie workers (or speaking with unite?)
Also not sure why them being migrants is relevant unless they are saying they are on mitie controlled work visas and that is keeping their wages low? If so, that feels like a bigger scandal that needs some smart journalists to investigate!
Why is the fact they are ‘migrant’ cleaners significant? Should migrants be entitled to a job more than anyone else?
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I’m sure they can find other work. EY are entitled to make cuts, they shouldn’t be bound to every employee for life.
you aren’t owed a job?
up the workers
£13.85 for a cleaning job honestly isn’t half bad
I’m assuming the reduction in cleaners is related to a decreased need as COVID protocols are gone?
Sounds like something they could have advised their client to do
and no jobs for my kids at the textile mill either! now what?…
Comments are grim
It really sickens me how little so many corporations seem to care about cleaners, maintenance, cooks, etc…
The things people protest…
London is basically a protest venue these days LOL.
What’s the issue with this? Its the same for every subcontracted role. You are subcontracted to provide a service and if that service isnt needed any longer, they’ll stop contracting you.
It doesn’t make financial sense to employ someone if they’re not needed.
The amount of good little corpo d**riders on here is crazy
The business should be able to scale its workforce based on their requirements, in this case for less cleaning staff. However, there is a valid point that EY should to an extent look after them in my view. When big tech firms have been laying people off, they’ve been offering generous severance – which in this case would go a long way for the cleaning staff in bridging the gap to a new job and wouldn’t cost the company that much because they’re lower paid members of staff.
A lot of “I’m alright Jack” in the comments…
I’m confused. Normally, a protest would happen when a big company tries to save money by firing staff and hiring cheap labour using migrants.
Now the *migrants* are protesting….. So what are EY doing for their cleaners? Are they just not having cleaners at all??
Does anyone have more context from EY’s side?
Edit; just realised they’re cutting a third …. So presumably they’re just going to expect the other two thirds to do the same amount of work.
Would still like to know EYs justification
Assuming they’re migrants who clean (rather than people who clean migrants) then “welcome to the UK, this is how the indigenous workers are treated – get used to it”
I used to work near there. Always heard how toxic that company is. Not surprised the treat their cleaners like dirt.
I totally understand the frustration from the cleaners and maybe I don’t know enough about this and someone can enlighten me. But shouldn’t their frustration be with Mitie? Surely they will be taking a cut of their pay and the whole point of subcontracting is that it’s flexibility to hire when the need is there.
Must be hard finding marigolds with those nails…
Anyway, is it the act of the jobs being cut they’re pissed at or the “low” pay for the low/no skill job they’re paid for?
Just wait for the robot carpet cleaners and one bin emptier / toilet cleaner. That’s the next phase.
Says to me that there might have been too many cleaners tbh. Nature of business in FM that companies are constantly looking at getting the right staffing mix, or reducing total cleaning hours as their offices go more hybrid/ lean.
It would be Mitie that sign up and agree their Ts and Cs as their employer, EY is the client so they should protest against them if anyone
Paperless + Working from Home. There’s not many bins to empty?
Let’s employ some real messy workers so we can keep those 37% on the payroll.
Requirements:
– must go to toilet and not flush.
– men using urinals to miss the target so mopping needed
– desk like pig style. Sticky notes and food boxes everywhere.
– bring pets to use all areas as toilet. Owners never clean
You get the picture 😅
They lost me at migrants. Go clean your own country
Why the hell do they feel entitled to hold onto their cleaning jobs?
Greed, just pure greed.
This is awful, and I really feel for everyone involved, but I suspect that cleaning requirements everywhere have genuinely dropped given lower office occupancy.
What does EY have to do with this ? Aren’t these things outsourced to 3rd parties ? I doubt EY employs them directly.
Frankly, sounds harsh, but if you no longer require a certain service (for whatever reason), then you don’t pay for it anymore.
What am I missing ? Job loss or change aside, which admittedly can be difficult
I really don’t understand how this trend of companies laying people off while hitting record revenue has become so systemic. It happens everywhere. It’s like suddenly every company founder feels entitled to extract more money from the bottom. I was laid off 3 years ago and two months later the CEO raised his own salary of a ridiculous amount.
If a company has financial uncertainty, I get it. It sucks but it’s still understandable. But if that’s the reason and then all the management gets a raise and at the end of the quarter they boast record revenue… GTFO!
Weird logic there. I’m sure they know their employment is with Mitie not EY?
Looks like all EY did was to decide that they don’t need Mitie’s services anymore. If these people want to protest for their jobs, they should perhaps protest at their employer who sucks at retaining customers, not at their customers who decided their services aren’t needed anymore.
Was speaking about this with a pal who works at EY, there are now massive robot hoovers on in the offices. Sounds like the cleaners have been replaced with machines
They’ve done the same at my company and now the place is absolutely disgusting and the remaining cleaners overworked. Everything seems to be about cut cut cut lately and no job is safe
Corporations are dogs. They treat workers like crap and roles like cleaners are virtually invisible to them.
The greed disgusts me
I looked up Mitie. Their current strategy says they want to roll out more cleaning robotics. They provide services across thousands of sites across the uk and are a huge company not a tiny subcontractor doing EYs bidding.
It would be interesting to know if EY pays them per worker or for cleaning the building. I suspect the latter, which could mean Mitie are the ones pushing for the change. Could still be EY pressurising them by insisting on a cheaper contract of course.
Seems like a really shitty situation for these workers so i understand why they are protesting. I’m not sure if EY is the right target vs them forming a union with all mitie workers (or speaking with unite?)
Also not sure why them being migrants is relevant unless they are saying they are on mitie controlled work visas and that is keeping their wages low? If so, that feels like a bigger scandal that needs some smart journalists to investigate!
Why is the fact they are ‘migrant’ cleaners significant? Should migrants be entitled to a job more than anyone else?
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