The Full Evidence Epstein was a Spy w/ Saagar Enjeti
What’s up everybody? Welcome to Flagrints. You know, there was a vote by the House committee to see if we could get the whole Epstein file released and uh shockingly some of these politicians, I believe, how many other one, two, three, four, five, six, seven of them said that it’s probably not a good idea that we release the full detailed Epstein file. And um you know what we could do is just decide to move on to something else. I’m sure there’ll be other news stories. Or maybe we could bring somebody who has become quite the expert at the Epstein story. Phenomenal podcast. Our good good friend Ser and Jenny. Everybody. Yeah. I saw your episode with Tucker. It was absolutely amazing. And like I didn’t realize how detailed in depth your knowledge of. Well, he’s got a kid now. So, we got to know. So, now Yeah, he’s got to know. That’s true. And I have a baby girl. I didn’t do the research, but I asked you a lot of questions. That’s what all good men do. They outsource to do that. So, so maybe it’s a good idea that we just kind of like start with the case for Epstein being intelligence because what I’ve seen quite recently is a lot of people kind of wiping the record and acting like this is pure conspiracy that he did have any ties or connections. And I think there’s a lot of like we have a lot of tidbits of information that we’ve all kind of collected and there’s this collective conscious that he absolutely is. So like what is the argument for it? maybe give us some backstory. I know you put together something amazing. So, just break it down. Who is this Epstein character that we all think we know so well? I’ll start off from the top. I totally understand people who are saying it’s a conspiracy theory. And in large part, I think it’s because it’s been wildly overstated by some people, which is natural in an open environment, right? They’re like, “He’s obviously Mossad. He’s obviously CIA. This is part of a blackmail ring.” And in my opinion, the American people actually have it right. They just don’t have the language, the facts, and they need to pull it together. And I want them to have the information that they have to be able to make that case. Especially whenever we have the Israeli prime former Israeli prime minister Naftali Bennett just yesterday who said unequivocally epsene did not work for Mossad. Now remember you know there there are key terms here that matter. Work is not the same as asset or worked with or worked with at some time. And this is the master game that these people play the non-denial denial. It’s one of the most classic things in the history of Washington. So let’s start at the very very very beginning. And I’ve put together some stuff. That’s why I have my laptop here with me. So, the first time that we can see any link between Jeffrey Epste and somebody who would become eventually very important to a story in the intelligence world is in 1974. So, 1974 right here in New York City where we are today. Jeffrey Epste despite having no college degree and being a dropout from New York University is hired by Donald Bar. Now, why does that last name sound familiar? Donald Bar is the father of William Bar who is the US attorney general under Donald Trump in 2019 who actually presides over the investigation into the Jeffrey Epstein suicide. I’ll just call it a death here for now. So Donald Bar in 1974 hires Jeffrey Epste at the Dalton School. Does Donald Bar have uh intelligence connections himself? Yes, he certainly does as it would be a surprise to all of you as do all of the storied families or the people who are connected to the most elite private schools here in New York City. So here we have a New York Times report uh from 2019. Jeffrey Epsteine taught at Dalton. His behavior was noticed. And what they talk about specifically is that Epstein, even here in his early 20s, is already exhibiting the pedophile behavior that he becomes known for. He starts harassing a lot of young girls. And in the span of just one year, finds himself basically under investigation and departs under weird circumstances after teaching math here at the Dalton School. So the question is why did Donald Bar hire Jeffrey Epste a person at the Dalton school to teach math despite having no credentials no college degree? I mean you can’t even get a job at a public school without a college degree and a teacher certification and this is the first time we see okay so let me ask you this. This is and I and I think it’s important to just give push back so we kind of understand. I don’t even want to call it push back. You know my uh my dad had a college degree. He walks in and he asks if he can be a uh work in the news station. Sure. And so this is back in like the seven and he’s able to get a job working in a news station eventually was on air. So there was a different time. Could teachers just teach at an elite private school. So that’s the thing. So no not common. The Donald bar by the way actually departed the school at the very same time as Jeffrey Epstein. The cope from Donald Bar and others. The explanation is that he very often had an unconventional hiring strategy. But, you know, people who attended Dalton and others basically said it was a very weird hire at the time and nobody still to this day really has an explanation for why. That’s the very first known link. And it’s weird. Okay, let’s just be honest, it’s weird. So, from 1974, 1975, we have the departure. So, somewhere around 1976, Jeffrey Epste meets a guy named Ace Greenberg. Ace Greenberg of Bear Sterns. And of course, you guys know for the younger audience out there, Bear Sterns is one of the most storied investment banks in Wall Street history. Went down in 2008. So, Ace Greenberg, whose child goes to Bear Sterns, meets Jeffrey Epstein ostensibly at some sort of like parent event. So, here we have Jeffrey Epste’s deep ties to Top Wall Street. So, it talks here about Greenberg. Just so I can understand. So, Jeffrey Epstein was teaching at Dalton. Ace Greenberg’s kid at Dalton. Correct. Builds a relationship with this Ace Greenberg guy who is one of the what the heads of the bank. Yes, he’s the head of the bank. One of the most powerful men on all of Wall Street in the 1970s and 1980s. So, Jeff So, Ace Greenberg hires Jeffrey Epstein. initially on the options desk. What ends up happening is Epstein’s actually not very good at that. So they’re like, “What what’s this guy any good at?” So they transfer him to basically the high-n networth money management desk. And effectively for the next 5 years, Jeffrey Epstein learns the art and really the art of money laundering. He manages high- netw worth individuals money. What he does with that money is he specializes in offshore accounting. And in specifically what he does is he gets deep in with all of these shadowy figures who are experts in the Cayman Islands and moving money offshores. Now this is the first known time that he begins to develop the the portfolio that will make him very useful for intelligence agencies in the future. Now sorry real quick are they moving money offshore to avoid taxes or it’s initially it’s to avoid taxes now but what we eventually learn is from the formation of something called I A. So after 5 years at Bear Sterns, Jeffrey Epstein is fired for a regulatory deviolation. Basically, he broke internal banking rules and insider trading. So there’s two things that we learn here. Number one, he’s involved in sketchy behavior from the very beginning. Two, he’s not prosecuted. He’s basically fired, let go, and everybody keeps it hush hush. I’ll come back to that in the future because he develops a strategy there called playing the box. playing the box as a strategy he admitted to where he said you can break the law and you can always get away with it because people will be too embarrassed to be able to call you out for it which will enable you to continue your moneyaundering because Bear Sterns would be embarrassed by the fact that they have somebody who is managing so much money inside of their bank. Was he internally caught? He was internally caught and that’s why he was so SEC doesn’t find out. Bear Sterns finds out Stern’s compliance and they’re like look we need to make this go away. We just we don’t want to deal with this anymore. or he just needs to go. So from that point forward 1981, Epstein forms a company called I A the Intercontinental Assets Group. I’m going to read directly here from the description. He is a quote highlevel bounty hunter who helps clients recover assets. This is the first entree into what will eventually sprawl as a global intelligence network because a highlevel bounty hunter who helps you recover money is not involved in quote legitimate business. What does that mean recover money? Yeah, exactly. So it’s uh in many cases he eventually gets involved with people who are running Ponzi schemes and basically keeping and hiding money offshore. He sells himself and it’s very unclear because none of the records of this have ever really been released. But the description of highle bounty hunter indicates to us that his specialization in offshore banking is one that becomes very important to intelligence networks. So this is where people might ask like hey why do we even care about this? Why would an intelligence network even want offshore banking? And the reason why is in the 1980s there were all of these very sketchy arms deals that were happening. Here we have in the United States the Iran Contra affair. This is the Cold War and everybody actually has a very uh distorted attitude as to how the CIA front companies work. Nobody at the CIA has a bank at JP Morgan Chase that says CIA that goes and buys a front company building. Did you guys perfect example everyone watch Argo? Do you guys watch the movie? So remember how Ben Affleck’s character flies to Hollywood and gets a front man to open a company and the money is laundered through the front man. That man would be known as a CIA asset because he’s able to open that front company. So that’s why it’s very important to the CIA work for the CIA. They have their own job. Exactly. They have their own money. In many cases they put up their own money but eventually get reimbursed somewhere in shady offshore banking thing on the back end. So these are vital parts of any intelligence network. Israeli, US, Saudi, everybody. then it wouldn’t work as espionage because you have to be able to hide it and then you get a wrong contra blown up. That’s exactly necessarily in and of itself bad. It’s a necessary look, it’s just the way that you do business. There’s no value judgment here. So the point is is that at this time this is when he begins to develop a relationship in in somewhere around between 1976 and 1981 with a man named Douglas Lease. Now lease is a very important character. Douglas Lee was a UK national. He’s a verified in UK government documents as having been involved in multiple arms deals and is thought to have been at least somewhat of a CIA MI6 some sort of intelligence asset. Douglas Lee is an expert again in offshore banking and international moneyaundering. At the age of 20, I think it’s 28, and somebody can check my work on this, is that at the age of 28, Douglas Lee brings a young Jeffrey Epstein on a private plane to the Pentagon for purposes that we still do not know. This is long before Epstein is a billionaire. This is when he’s involved specifically in offshore banking. Lease is basically the conduit through which he is then introduced to all these very important people. Yes. Adnan Kosigible who is a very important person in the story. Stephen Hoffenberg, who is basically the source of a lot of this information. Keep in mind, Stephen Hoffenberg and he went on the record to Vicky Ward, who’s the journalist who did the original expose on Epstein in 2002. He was convicted of one of the largest Ponzi schemes in US history. What ended up happening is he was trying to con Epste, but Epstein actually conned him out of 100 million. But he Steven Hoffenberg basically showed the relationship between Douglas Lee and Epstein which epste got very testy about whenever he was asked. Basically pretended I hardly know the guy. Lee is the person who introduces Epstein to Hoffenberg to Robert Maxwell and to this uh Adnan Kosigible. Now the reason why all three of those names matter is that Hoffenberg shows the conduit of the way that Epste was already working with illegal enterprises and offshore banking. The way that he alleges Epstein stole his money was specifically through one of these offshore transactions. The other two names I was running a Ponzi scheme and then he caught him caught and then wrote a hater article about it. Uh and and actually Epstein uh actually Epstein cooperated with US authorities against Hoffenberg and basically got him locked up in prison. This was only acknowledged years and years later. I mean he was a master he was a master networker. We have to give it to him. But again here’s another link between the community intel, you know, the US government Jeffrey Epsteine. Here’s a link to offshore banking and then specifically Adnan Kosogi and Robert Maxwell. So who are these two individuals here? He has Adnan Kosigible. Adnan Kosogi is the uncle of Jamal Kosigible, the Saudi journalist who was butchered in the uh in the Turkish embassy. But for our purposes, what can we look at here? Saudi arms merchant, worldclass playboy dies. This is from his obituary in the Washington Post. So why do we care about Adnan Kosigible and his association with Epstein? And these are verified ties between the two. Adnan Kosigible is somebody who worked on all kinds of sketchy arms deals throughout his life. These people are very useful to the Saudi kingdom, to the Israelis because they are cutouts. They’re not officially part of the royal family. Their money is used to finance various different arms deals. He has a verified connection to Mossad and to funneling arms between Israel and Iran in the past. All of this is out in the public record. It’s effectively been acknowledged and I don’t even think it’s really disputable. I know that you’ve spoken about this already, but I just want to make this Yeah, I want to make this incredibly clear, right? Where it’s like governments and countries cannot be actively involved in these cold war tactics. So, they need to find these proxies to do it. And those proxies might not necessarily be bad. Matter of fact, they offer incredible utility. A Kosogible, for example, for Saudi Arabia might be one of the most important figures in executing the plans of Saudi Arabia without getting the people in charge in Saudi Arabia dirty. And at this point in time, it’s looking like as we go through the story, Epstein might be an asset to the United States of America. Or maybe when we get into Maxwell or at least it doesn’t look like there’s anything incriminating on him so far. No. Well, I mean, to be fair, his pedophilia and his proclivities were kind of secondary to his money. Now, the reason why I think he eventually gets away with the stuff that he does in the future is because of all the work he did in the 1980s and the 1990s for these various governments. I don’t want to connect us to like a movie, but there’s there’s this this movie uh Art of War that Nicholas Cage is in, and there’s this I love that movie. disagree with me and it’s based on I think like a relatively it’s person I think that guy who we just released from Victor Victor bout or something like that of war I think it’s called we got a sixwoman for the lord of war yeah and uh so so basically uh he goes um there’s this moment where he’s arrested and this like guy from the FBI he’s been holding it down he eventually goes hey listen somebody’s going to come in that door and let you know that it’s time for me to go and I don’t know what you’re talking about blah blah and to me that’s kind of what it’s feeling like so far where there could be these connections. It’s it and we might get a misconstrued where it’s like the government is involved in this like illicit child [ __ ] blackmail scheme when in reality the government’s looking be like no actually we’re just running guns and we’re dirty money and we’re funneling stuff between Israel and Iran. This is why sa you know the Saudi government can’t facilitate an Israel Iran arms deal right these are all allegedly mortal enemies but Kosogi oh he can do it he can finance that deal and we can make him whole on the back end now similar yeah go ahead and last thing I would say is I was talking to a friend of mine I think that I think Morgan Stanley or JP Morgan banked him I forget which one was it JP Morgan at that time uh well this is later on uh well Deutsche Bank and JP Morgan both Jeffrey Epstein and like a friend of mine I was working over there and he basically I was asking about it he was like he’s like yeah like he just operated with dirty money. And I think that’s why, you know, the government had an eyeball on him because it was advantageous for them to know who’s sending him $30 million from El Salvador. He was the banker. And a lot of these banks will just take dirty money. Of course they will. If you’re getting tens of millions of dollars from a third world country, please believe it’s not cuz they’re selling slushies on the street, you know, like there’s some [ __ ] up [ __ ] going on. So I’m just trying to position at this point right now, the government might think that they have an asset working in their best interest. At this point, this is a rational case for them. this we’re not yet involved with eventually becomes the pedophilia ring. Also guys, tour dates. I’m going to be the most central important figures in this story. Robert Maxwell is the father of Glain Maxwell. And Robert Maxwell is basically an intelligence operative from day one. So, Robert Maxwell is a very interesting early life story. He’s a Czechoslovakian Orthodox Jew. He flees the Nazis, finds a way to escape from mainland Europe, fighting with the resistance to the UK, fights the Nazis in World War II. He gets the second highest medal from the British government during World War II for his exemplary service and he becomes a British national, changes his name multiple times. What eventually happens though is that Robert Maxwell begins to roll up the tabloid news empire. He’s a Rupert Murdoch of his time by rolling up tabloid news in the UK and effectively becoming like a sovereign wealth fund in and of itself with his billions. Maxwell is a very committed Zionist and somebody who’s very important to the state of Israel. He’s been openly acknowledged at this point as a Mossad asset. I have his code name here. Let me find it. He is known as Mega. Quote, “The bountiful source.” This is from a former Mossad operative who described the Tetris movie. Uh, no, I actually didn’t see it. Okay. He’s he’s a character in the Tetris. Oh, okay. Like he’s personified as himself as part of the story, which is one of the assets that they owned, I guess, might have been the Maxwell is again just like Kosigible. He’s financing international arms deals. He’s very important to Mossad. He’s very important to MI6. He’s very important to the US intelligence commu uh community. But the thing that really uh puts him apart is that Ma Mo Maxwell is a committed Zionist and he works specifically on behalf of the state of Israel to advance its interest. And the most extreme example of that, can we put that wired one up there? Uh it talks about the inslaw octopus. This is a very important article from the 1990s and it describes basically a piece of software that Robert Maxwell was integral in both financing and selling to the Department of Justice. And it was Israeli spyware that was that was installed on vast numbers of US government computers that was used specifically to spy on the United States by Mossad in the US and the Israeli intelligence community. This is this was in the early 90s. This is whenever it was uh exposed. But in the 1980s, this is something that Maxwell was directly Has there been measures taken for this act? Actually, I’m I’m not actually sure about this. I mean, as usual, whenever it comes to Israeli operations on US soil, we’re all like, “Hey, you should cut it out and then we don’t really do anything about it.” Jonathan Pard is a very good example of this. There’s a doc on Netflix about this, the the octopus murders, and this guy Danny Castelloo that basically tried to expose this. Oh, that’s right. I forgot. I never watched it, but I know what it is. It’s fantastic. attempt to try to expose the law. All right, so there we go. That’s Robert Maxwell. He’s involved in things like this, but I could actually go on forever. You say about Pard. Uh Jonathan Pard, do you know who that is? Jonathan Pard is one of the greatest spies in US history. He was a NSA employee in the 1980s. He was spying on behalf of the state of Israel, selling them secrets. You can Yeah, there’s a picture of him. You spoke about this on Tucker? Yeah, I did. So, he served 30 years in a US prison. Uh while he was here, he became a cause celeb in Israel, saying that he was unjustly persecuted even though he’s a United States citizen, selling secrets to Israel. BB Netanyahu visited sold the secrets to Russia, not Israel sold the secrets to Russia. He sold the secrets to Israel. No, no, no, no. He he sold the secrets to Israel. Let’s be clear. Okay. Israel sold them to the Soviet Union. Jonathan Pard was actually granted Israeli citizenship, I think, in abstentia. BB Netanyahu visited him in prison here in the United States of America. Basically saying, “We’re always going to stand with you.” The moment his federal probation is up after he’s released from prison after his sentence, he moved to Israel and he’s never coming back. So that’s a perfect example here of you have a UN United States citizen spying on behalf of the Israeli government. Open caught. It’s all admitted out in the open. The Israeli government says, “Hey, we’re friends. Like just forgive, you know, forgive him. He was just a a Jewish patriot doing what he wanted for his country even though he was not an Israeli citizen there at the time. Granted him citizenship and openly campaigned for all of our presidents of the United States. Bill Clinton onward to pardon Jonathan Pard and they came pretty damn close. Let me be clear. So that’s another example of how we really treat Israeli espionage very differently than all other espionage on the United States. If you guys remember in the Ted Cruz interview where Tucker was like, you know, doesn’t concern you that Mossad is spying on America? He’s like, well, all countries do it. All all friendly countries spy on each other. There’s there’s an exception that we seem to make here for this country. Have we been caught spying on Israel? Uh you know, we I don’t know if we’ve ever been caught in a high-profile operation. I mean, I’m sure sure that we do. And in fact, we probably should considering, you know, what’s going on. Actually, you know what? We definitely have been because I remember there’s been documents, leaks from the Israeli cabinet meetings. You remember the signal gate, the signal leaks? I published some of those documents and in one of those was actually minutes from the cabinet meeting from BB. So yes, we are spying on the Israelis as well. To be fair, you know, we’re spying on everybody. So it’s like if we’re doing it like although the did get kind of upset about that. So you know, it’s a little ironic because they got upset whenever we’re doing it, but you know, not in saying that like Yeah, we do that or they do that. Like he was trying to make it that they see like since everybody does it, it’s okay. Yeah, but it’s not okay. It’s like we should all punish, you know, if we It’s not okay when we do it. It’s not okay when you guys do it. We’re supposed to be allies. Okay. So let’s We should do it. We should do it. Let’s continue. Get away. get away with it. Robert Maxwell over there. We’re coming back. Robert Maxwell. All right. Robert Maxwell, the father of Glain Maxwell. So, this is how Jeffrey Epstein meets Gileain Maxwell, his eventual co-conspirator in the Child Trafficking Network. And Robert Maxwell, of course, is a very shady death. Uh, nobody’s still really sure how he died. He allegedly either jumped or fell off of his yacht, which of course happens to everybody. I mean, it’s somewhat believable, but I I mean, it’s just one of those things where, you know, he is killed in very or he dies in very suspicious circumstances. He has all kinds of luminaries at his funerals and whatever he knew, you know, kind of goes to the grave with him. So after that in this period we have 1988. This is probably one of the most important years in the history of Jeffrey Epstein. Before we move away from Maxwell, can I just tell you a fun little tidbit? Of course. I want to get this right and I have to check spelling and everything on this, but I I wish I Okay, ready. Um, right now I think there one of the issues with releasing the Epstein files is because if you release a report that implicates people without them being investigated, um, that’s a concern. And I think in Britain there’s called the FCA, that’s their version of the SEC, or something like that. So basically, they have a process that uh, you give that person that is named a chance to respond or submit evidence before the report is released so that they can address concerns which might end up altering the report’s conclusions about that person. That process is called Maxwellization and it’s named after Robert Maxwell. That’s amazing because it fits with his character in the way that he operated a media magnet. And look, actually, let’s take a second. Why do these tabloids matter? If everybody remembers the whole David Pecker scandal here in America with with uh with Donald Trump, it’s that they basically hoo they’re like private intelligence services. They hoover up all of these stories. is they often buy people silence through non-disclosure agreements and then they use that as pedigree with the richest people in the world like hey Donald we held this story on Karen McDougall who accused you so we you know we almg five different tabloids and you can print the same story that’s allegedly on all of them then the other newspaper articles and TV shows they start picking it up so before an algorithm you have to create the trend you’re literally describing the New York Post to Fox News pipeline which are you talking about this is to make an allegation like that. That is I mean they’re owned by Rupert Murdoch. It’s out in the open. Many people who work there will tell you that’s literally how it works. It doesn’t take a genius to figure this stuff out. But let’s turn Return to the Money. So 1988, very important year in the in the life of Jeffrey Epstein. He leaves or basically reforms I AG. At this point it’s been 7 years. He’s very important to many of the world’s most influential arms dealers and other people. Almost certainly at this point is embroiled in some of these deals. This point is a very sketchy point because now he creates the Jeep J Epstein company. The J Epstein company self-described accepts only clients with $1 billion. This is a year where there are only 140 billionaires in all of existence in 1988. There’s not very many people who are billionaires. And to have 1 billion in cash liquid to be able to invest is effectively unheard of. So who are the people that this is ostensibly for? He pitched specifically as quote an economic adviser to the super rich. No other services have ever been advertised. And this is the source eventually of all of his wealth. And so it’s somewhere around this time in the 1980s and the J Epstein company that he signs a client named Lesley Wexner. Wexner, one of the most important figures again in this story. Really the source of much of his money and his power to the way that it eventually becomes. Leslie Wexner is one of the richest men in America, one of the richest men in Ohio. Leslie Wexner is a committed Zionist. He’s commit, you know, donated and worked with the Israeli government. And we’ll talk about that in a little bit, but Leslie Wexner eventually in this time period effectively signs over his entire portfolio and eventually leads to power of attorney being signed over to Jeffrey Epstein. You guys had a great exchange where you were like, “Hey, we have a decade of friendship here and uh I would not sign power of attorney over to any of you.” There’s only one person I’m siring power over attorney to my wife. There’s there’s nobody else who’s ever going to get it. Supposed to do that if we wanted to. And I’m saying that’s the only person who conceivably is ever What about business managers? Do they have power of attorney? No. Or they have a limited power of attorney and that’s very different than his entire control of his estate. So somewhere in this time in the 88 to9 period in just 3 years he is able to convince this man Leslie Wexner multi-billionaire the founder of Victoria’s Secret to basically sign over all of his power of attorney and control of his assets. Even more importantly over the next 5 years he effectively begins transferring many assets from the Wexner from the Wexner fortune to his own personal portfolio. multiple properties in the state of Ohio which are actually referenced in the Gain Maxwell trial for the sex trafficking purposes. Those are Wexner properties. And then the infamous, you know, massive townhouse in Manhattan at that time the largest private residence, you know, basically valued at some $70 million. I mean, again, who who in this world is transferring $70 million townhouse, largest private residence at the time, the city of New York, over to this man for what purpose? Go ahead. Is there a purpose? for example, is he trying to avoid taxes? Is there like what? Give me the argument outside of corruption. Sure. Uh Leslie Wexner has talked to his people and uh he’s talked to people about this and his explanation is that uh Epste was a money wizard that he simply had ideas and [Laughter] they said he’s a wizard with money. He’s the smartest man with money I’ve ever seen. Uh the Steelman case for how this has nothing to do with blackmail is exactly what you just said. And this is eventually what’s hinted at by the richest and most powerful people in the world is guys, we were doing money laundering. It wasn’t about blackmail or any of this other stuff. It was a way for us to launder our money internationally. I’ll come back to it, but that’s basically the excuse that Leon Black gave. Leon Black is genuinely one of the richest men in New York. He was $9 billion net worth. Founder of the Apollo Group, one of the largest private equity firms in the world. From 1997 onward, he has a relationship with Jeffrey Epste to the point where he puts him on the board of the Black Family Foundation. And it eventually comes out between 2012 2017 he transferred $170 million to Jeffrey Epstein and to Epstein related accounts quote tax advice. Now his argument is that over that 5year period he gave him $170 million and saved uh to the tune of 1 billion. That’s what he claims what he claims. Now if that is the case all of us would hire abstain immediately. Right. That’s right. But there’s no way to do that legitimately. And also if you look at all of the paper trail for this, Epstein was not a licensed financial adviser. He was not a licensed tax advice person. He was not somebody who with ever well known in the hedge fund industry. I mean this is the question about why are these super rich people transferring all of this money to this individual. I’m willing to believe moneyaundering but with the Wexner case I just simply can’t get there. Vicky Ward and James Stewart biographers and others have looked into the story. They really believe that blackmail is somehow at the center of the story of Wex. This is purely speculation on my behalf. That makes a lot of sense, especially, you know, for economically uh ignorant folks like myself which are like I’m not giving a [ __ ] townhouse to anybody for any purpose. But there are these certain situations where people set up these trusts. They set up these LLC’s. They set up these escorts so they can put certain to avoid taxes. They create these loopholes. So there is a version where he had found a way to do this. I don’t understand why passing it directly to Epstein avoids taxes because Epstein would then have to pay those taxes. Exactly. Like why not put it into a joint trust that Epstein has access to? Why is it specifically passed to Epstein? Unless for his personal use for his personal use. Let’s be clear. He needed it under his name to validate him to do certain things, which is what eventually we begin to see with the story. And also, look, let’s be honest here about Wexner. Wexner is the founder of Victoria’s Secret. Like, would it be crazy to say the founder of Victoria’s Secret is kind of perverted and Leslie Wexner has been photographed with all these young women? It’s like literally Yeah. making laundry for teenagers. Yeah, I’m shocked to be told that this person is uh is involved with some weird stuff. Again, look, because he’s still alive and he would sue me. That is purely speculation on my part based upon publicly available information. I’m not claiming anything otherwise. But don’t have to go find super models around the world. I mean, that’s their business model to be clear. So, let’s say when do you turn 18 so I could put you on the runway with wings? This happens, right? So, that’s the person and the individual who’s at the nexus of a lot of this stuff. Now let’s say then what we move from there because that Wexner transfer sets Epstein as the king of New York as the king of New York society. Can I ask one more question before that? Um are there any people in finance that look at that transfer and they go wow this was a smart financial decision for Wexner? I have not yet found a single person. In fact, every rich person who I have ever talked with about the Epste thing has told me I have no idea what the [ __ ] was going on. And has anybody explained Wax or his people explained why it was advantageous to him to He just said it was a terrible mistake and that he trusted Epstein entirely with his money. He literally called his relationship and the transfer quote a terrible mistake. That’s the only public apology that he’s ever given on the case. Never gone into it. By the way, he’s still alive and he should answer questions. It is interesting that we haven’t seen him in an interview. Like we’ve seen he shut himself down. But we’ve seen Prince Andrew in an interview. That’s right. like he’s maybe the only person that we haven’t heard speak publicly about this a little bit but you know it’s it’s been years I think in 2020 is when he gave his apology but same with Leon Black by the way who resigned from his public company and has basically disappeared from New York society Jess Staley the former CEO of Barclays Epstein’s private banker I’ll return to him uh in a little bit with the Israel connection because he’s a very important part of that story but he’s also resigned and now you know he has no he’s he’s not CEO of a publicly traded company doesn’t testify doesn’t even any interviews. He’s filthy rich and you know how these people operate. You can hire bodyguards and live behind a wall for the rest of your life. So that’s basically where we are with Maxwell senior and when Epste and him meet did they do any business together that we know of? Uh so this is the problem. We don’t have the full records and this is part of the why the release of the files is very important and I will also return where I think defining the files as as a list is very important because that’s not how it works. People seem to have it in their head that there’s a ledger that there’s a black book that’s like paid or have kitty tape supports Israel. Now, this is not how this works, guys. Like, as as a journalist, like what we’re doing here is we’re compiling information. We’re looking at public stuff that cannot be explained otherwise. We’re steel manning the case. We’re reaching out to Leslie Wexler for comment. The the IRS today, as you guys all know, has all of our information, all of the Butterfly Trust accounts connected to Jeffrey Epste. What’s a butterfly trust account? That was an Epstein uh linked account which the New York financial services by the way you guys should take this up here in the state of New York they have all access to Epstein’s financial records 2013 onwards cuz they find Deutsche Bank for their business with Epstein for violating the bank rules and for violating New York state regulations. New York State has the books for his entire financial life. 2013 didn’t Morgan uh pay out in an insane JP and Deutsch. Well, Deutsche Bank paid like $75 million to the Epstein victims specifically for facilitating a lot of this trafficking. But my point is is that I want those documents. I want the butterfly trust accounts. Leon Black, the way that he even paid Epstein and this was only available by subpoena power that we know of was through some private jet holding company. I mean, this stuff is all masked in a way that their names were never supposed to be on top of any of it. The only way we can get it is from release and from subpoena from the United States government. Part of why the Trump administration’s decision is so very disappointing. And and so I I know I keep cutting, but I just want to make sure that that why I understand this. Like it seems so brazenly foolish for these people to even be tangentially connected to Epstein. Not before this time. I don’t want to be giving them an out, but I want to be really understanding the situation. If you are operating with somebody who uses, you know, nefarious techniques to hide money, which I do not put past any wealthy person. No, anybody who’s got tens of millions of dollars, I promise you they are doing some shady [ __ ] to hide that money, to move that money. Like I I know a guy who like would fly to the [ __ ] Bahamas with tens of thousands of dollars strapped to his body. It sounds like out of a movie. He would do it regularly. Why are you snitching on me? Like guys, you guys all know him. I just want like like So there was a regular thing to just avoid taxation. Setting up accounts back and I think this is probably like the 80s. This is not as as So doing these things to avoid taxes is quite common amongst the people who make tens hundreds of millions of dollars. Um but doing it so directly with Epstein is what I find peculiar. And there’s a part of me that goes, if they’re doing it directly with him, do they not feel concern about his relationships and intentions? Is there some sort of trust there? Because like you said earlier, the CI knows they’re on some [ __ ] [ __ ] so they’re like, “We got to make sure that we’re not associated with this.” Why would you not? Well, that’s a great question. Especially, you know what I’m saying? if he’s been operating for a decade now and he hasn’t been caught, hasn’t gotten in any trouble, it’s like, oh, this guy’s good. That’s that’s the defense I would make is that pre pre205 before the investigation, it’s actually somewhat somewhat understandable for somebody who is not in Palm Beach or New York society. I would say more in the 1980s. From about 95 onward, it’s an open secret. Jeffrey Epste likes kids. Jeffrey Epstein likes When does he first get caught? 2005. That’s the very first investigation into Epstein, the actual law enforcement investigation. So, we could make the argument that before that, yes, it’s greed. Well, yeah. Again, though, because all of these people live, this is the, as you’re saying, the super rich is the smallest world in is the smallest group in the world. They may live all over the world, but they’re actually all in the same place basically all at the same time. Yeah. They’re doing all the same. They’re always in London. They’re always, you know, Tahoe, whatever, like Palm Beach. This is why they all know each other. So, I actually forgive it because it’s such an open secret that Jeffrey Epste is young women. Well, before the ’90s, yeah, I I guess we could give them somewhat of a pass, but it starts to become out in the open. I’m not trying to give a pass. What I’m trying to do is like not uh be guilty of of internet trends, which is like applying something we learn about and is confirmed in 2005 and 2008 with a conviction to everyone prior than that. I think after 2005 and definitely after 2008 like you’re aware that you’re dealing with a convicted pedophile sex offender sex. There’s no excuse. But before that, I do think that there are these people that just want money and they’ll do anything for money and they are already operating in pseudo illegal behaviors and activities and there’s this incredible desire and thirst for power. So they might be willing to rub shoulders with these nefarious characters. Before 2005, there’s some level of plausible denial. There is some. Yeah. Even if you know they’re like, “H, he’s not.” And if he’s like, “I could save you a billion dollars.” You might be tempted to take that plausible. Here’s the thing. You’re taking it literally. And I’m still not quite sure that I’m there yet. I’m not quite sure he actually was doing anything of the tax advice sort. I still don’t know. Yeah. I I still am like not clear on what he was actually doing. I don’t think anybody’s clear. Nobody’s part of the problem, which is what’s so But I want to make sure that when we’re pinning people to certain things, like if you’re staying in his penthouse after he’s a registered sex offender, you’re pinned. Like there’s there’s prime minister of Israel. Sorry. Multiple times. Like Bill Gates. Like Bill Gates. Didn’t he have an office in Harvard? Was that after? Well, I’m not sure about that. I have to go back and double check. But again, those things like let’s pin it right there. There’s no question. You have Stephanopoulos who had dinner. Why are you hanging out like like some Google? Exactly. And you should because So, so, okay. So, there are these I get it. I get it. I just want to make sure that we’re compartmentalizing a little bit. Not to say that they don’t know that they’re engaging in illegal activity. They just maybe aren’t going I’m with a kid [ __ ] who’s using this as potential black belt or as an intelligence act. Very true. And that’s important. So, let’s get into actually sex trafficking and actually that whole range. Don’t let me speed you up. You you’re on your So, 1991 to 2005. I call this the Epstein heyday. So this is I’ve gained control of the Wexner Empire. I’ve transferred these assets and these properties into my name. Gileain is here and now it’s on. So if you look from that the Gain Maxwell trial describes many of these Ohio properties being used specifically for sex trafficking purposes, right? So these are just in late 1994, late 1995. Basically move from that point forward. The Palm Beach Virgin Islands, you know, connection begins to materialize. We have the house in Palm Beach. We have the compound in the US Virgin Islands, the Lolita Island, that’s the Epstein island. Uh we have the Virgin Island that’s acquired under the Epstein basically estate. Then we have the Lolita Express that’s purchased the private jet. So all of the pieces that are now famous, these all come into play between 91 and 2005. This was the heyday of the Epstein Empire. Is this where you see the images of him and Trump hanging out? Yes, exactly. 2002, that’s when we have the first image. Although, you know, I have it in my notes uh for the Trump Epstein relationship. Let me go ahead and find that. Don’t let me speed you up. You stay on this. So, so 2002, Trump says, “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years.” So, basically putting their relationship back to the 1980s. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It’s even said he likes beautiful women as much as I do. Many of them are on the younger side, no doubt about it. Jeffrey enjoys his social life. So, that’s Donald Trump in 2002. just again to show everybody here what we’re dealing with for the open secret. All right. So, yeah, he likes him on the younger side. He said it. And uh if you want there’s video if you want to go ahead and play it. I have the YouTube link from uh NBC News uh of them hanging out. Let me find Yeah. footage from footage from 1992. Actually, can you go ahead and click that one? It’s a YouTube link. It’s from a NBC News package in 2002. It’s some B-roll that actually shows them hanging out. So, here we go. Yeah. This is the This is the famous, you know, they’re all hanging out together. And by the way, there I haven’t showed this yet, but there are photos of Trump and Robert Maxwell hanging out together as well in the past. So, he certainly knew a lot of these individuals. We can see him dancing. They’re at a party. Uh, apparently in the mid200s, there was a party that was thrown involving Victoria Secret models that was put on by Epstein and another associate of Donald Trump where they all hung hung out. So, just putting that out there. That other guy. Yeah, I actually don’t know. I I love his tie. It’s very 1990s. So, anyway, look, the footage. It it it it all exists. And I’m sparing nobody here. I want to be real. To your earlier point, the super the super rich, the super elite is kind of a small circle. Not kind of incredibly small. They all know each other. So if it fits together, you’re going to hear some whispers about one of your friends. It’s not even a whisper. He said it out loud on the record. Trump said he just said it. All right, guys. We got to take a break real quick because America is under attack. Our freedom is under attack. year in the Epstein story. Yeah. 2002 is when journalist Vicky Ward, she works here in New York City, Vanity Fair magazine. This is the Vanity Fair. Vanity Fair. This is the very first premier magazine to say, “Who is this guy?” Yes. Graden Carter, the legendary conditor, king of New York society. Uh it it basically works with Vicki and says, “Hey, let’s go write about this Epstein figure.” Vicki eventually uncovers evidence of the young women trafficking of the intelligence uh community ties and all of this in 2002. How did she uncover this? Because she goes she does a great job. She goes and interviews these people. That guy Steven Hoffenberg who’s in prison. She interviewed him in prison and she didn’t print his quotes until 20 years later because it was shut down by Graden Carter. Now, uh, Joey, can you please put up the story from New York why Graden Carter would be able to I understand the name Kanye Nas, but maybe explain. Yeah, so what I’m have here in front of me is a very crazy story is that according to Carter, somebody put a bullet outside of his I think it was either outside of his house or wherever he was and a dead cat to intimidate him while he is investigating the Epstein story. So, it eventually comes out. What is Kanye Nast? I mean, they own Vogue. They employ, you know, if you anyone’s ever seen the devil wears Prada, like that’s based on Vogue magazine and anowin tour. That’s part of the cond NAS empire. The Kanye mass empire. Imagine with Rupert Murdoch, with news stations, this is with magazines. Dude, it’s so hard cuz our the audience here is going to be young. So, they don’t even remember the Vanity Fair heyday. Like, this was a big [ __ ] deal. Before blogs, before like your favorite Instagram page, there were magazines. This was the beating heart of American culture. Vanity Fair magazine, The New Yorker, Vogue magazine. Newspapers were information and magazines were more like oped, right? Yeah. Magazines were not just oped. They they were actually the places were this type of journalism. I mean, there’s stories that come as about guys were getting paid half a million dollars a year. They would write three stories a year, but they would spend six months like Vicky Ward because it was really takes the face of the country. Some of my favorite journalists, there’s a guy named Dexter Filkins at the New York, he spent like six months. one of the favorite uh war reporters. He’ll they’ll go out and report for conspiracy theories about 10,000 word article theoretically Watergate whatever the conspira take conspiracy theories aside that’s journalists breaking a story that caused a president to resign changed the trajectory of the entire world and now when it happens and you see like a 20page article in the New Yorker or something like that you’re like who the [ __ ] reads this and nobody really reads it but at the time oh it was everything and and that’s why like our parents and I think that we’re probably a little bit even too young us maybe you just because you’re involved in journalism so I have read about it so I can contextualize it, but I never experienced it. But this was the heyday of like information and it created habitual reading, right? Like just my parents had a subscription to New York magazine in New Yorker and like every sing when is it coming? It’s weekly. Yeah. Yeah. It used to be I don’t know any but it’s like so they’re reading it every single and the pieces that are in there. The assumption was that these were like real investigative journalism pieces and they’re uncovering truths that take months and months to put together. So they really gained like the support and trust at least of maybe like I don’t want to say like more like coastal elites. It’s what you just described the global elite. The global elite is very small. It’s like maybe 10,000 people who run the entire world like and actually that might even be a little bit generous and they’re all subscribing to vote. I mean look Anna Winur is still an icon amongst the super rich. So like obviously it really matters. So Epstein basically uses the threat of legal action to shut down any mention of his intelligence ties which he’s confronted with directly. Any mention of the sex trafficking and the pedophilia accusations and all of it is dropped from the Vanity Fair article that culminates in the 2002 story who is Jeffrey Epstein the mysterious man of New York. But it basically it insinuates things about being with women and he he knows everybody. He’s friends with Harvey Weinstein. He’s friends with all of you know New York society. Everybody seems to know him. And you have the quotes by Donald Trump and others. And so what we see there is O2 is a very important year because it shows his power. His power to shut down Graden [ __ ] Carter. His power to bring the Condas Empire to bear and say, “No, no, no, no, no. You’re not reporting any of this.” The power of using Harvey Weinstein and others to basically call all the journalists and other people around him and say, “I’m going to sue the [ __ ] out of you if you report even one word of this.” Now, it’s important to note that like shutting down stories is quite common. If you have a PR agency or something like that, especially at that time, access really matters. I would even say now, like you have a PR agency or something’s about to release on TMZ and you know somebody over there at TMZ, you’re like, yo, can you just not put out this? If you hold this, I’ll give you an exclusive on. But there’s a there’s a quid proquo, which is like, if you don’t release this, I’ll give you the first dibs on this story coming out with this album release. So that is it is quite common practice. But to shut down a story that’s making an allegation or multiple allegations this big, you need to have some serious weight and some serious quid proquo. I think it’s got to be more than just lawsuit because these people I mean they’re they’re lured up to the gills. Like if you run that’s what I was trying to say to understand how extraordinary this is. This is [ __ ] nasty. Massive. I mean dude even me and you and others when people are like I’m going to sue you. I’m like yeah good [ __ ] luck. I’m like, “All right, I’ve got insurance.” I’m like, “And I know how the First Amendment works.” And New York Times versus Sullivan, I’ll be like, “I’m going to eat your [ __ ] legal fees for lunch and I’ll see you in court.” All right, because of the legal standard, if you are a public figure like Epstein was basically at that time, the poss, you know, the bar for defamation and liel is so incredibly high. I actually really support that. It’s one of my key differences with Trump is I think it’s a good thing because it allows for journalism. Well, not just that, we can [ __ ] go for it. We want to be famous and so let’s not [Laughter] carried away here. We’ll get into that at another time. And then why does he agree to this article? Is it just hubris? Uh oh. Epstein. No, he agreed to it. Ward was assigned. Epstein did not want this to happen. Really? Never want the article to make it less uh you can actually go and read. I don’t think we’re understanding how crazy this is to he intimidated Graden Carter basically to take out a lot of the salacious intelligence with a [ __ ] bullet and a dead cat. We’ve seen the Godfather. It’s the same thing. It’s literally instead of a horse’s head, it’s a dead cat and there’s no way to prove that he was the one that did it, but having those He’s not listen Graden certainly believed it and Graden works and has dinner with the most powerful people in all of New York. Spoken about this. He is certainly not he has not actually answered a whole lot of questions about this. So that’s an important thing. But does he give comment to Vicky Ward here? Huh? Oh, you know, Epstein goes on the record in some places, but we don’t learn the full extent of all of their exchange until 2021 after he’s dead when she begins to reveal a lot of the stuff that she was actually had on the record in this story. So, this is the very first known time of a major expose which would have really hurt Jeffrey Epstein if it had come out that he’s able to shut down. Eventually in the future, we see the same tactics with Good Morning America and with the Prince Andrew story if you’ll recall of that famous video, the leaked video from CBS or ABC News where she’s like, “I had this story. I had everything and the palace shut it down.” And Epstein and all of them basically came together and we wanted didn’t want to lose our coverage of the royal wedding and so we didn’t publish any of this and she’s like, “I had the story from day one. We didn’t want to lose our coverage of the royal wedding.” Exactly. So we shut this down so we would have access to the royal wedding. So, so again, that’s the quid proquo. It’s like, if you want to work with us, if you want access to this this story that you know is going to probably sell way more ads than your principles in America got up at like 5 a.m. to watch it or what? Yeah. Which is so wild. Yeah. Sorry. Alex, go go go. It’s good to ask questions about this. I think I think we feel guilty asking cuz it looks like we’re trying to create an out. I’m not trying to create I understand the totality of this and like where they would be coming from if they were going to defend it. So I ask you a question. You said that’s 2002 when she’s working came out in O2. Actually it was published in March 03 but it was reported throughout 200. But then she doesn’t release the other part of the story until 20 years later. Yeah. Basically after that means you knew he was [ __ ] kids and you sat on it. Well, she didn’t have evidence, man. We’re journalists. We can’t say these things. No, no, no. See, this is very important. I can’t just come out. Yeah. I can’t just come out and say without evidence. You need to and look that I talked about that Mark many times. But I talked about the barrier, you know, the defamation stuff. Like you need to have some you need to have some stuff on the record and she did not have enough that they felt comfortable going forward with something like that. I thought they felt comfortable. They I thought they just took it out because of the claiming that it didn’t meet the evidentiary standard. Vicky Ward says otherwise. Like look, I could see the case either way, but the point is is that what’s come out afterwards is that Graden Carter was terrified. And so it’s not really about the story. It’s that he was afraid to be able to publish this. So that is the context of his social power. Afraid for for he seem to be he was afraid for his life. But okay, so because these are different things. Afraid for your life is different than afraid for the success of your what would you call that like a his magazine magazine social his cache because if you lose access you essentially have no cache and which is ironically what Epstein is concerned about. If Epstein becomes persona non grata because of this piece he no longer can do the thing that he does which is connect and liaison with super wealthy and influential people. There you go. Okay. All right. So that gets us to ’05. So 91 to05 is the heyday. 2005 is the first time that we really know about of a prolonged investigation into Epstein and eventually culminates in the sweetheart deal of 2008. So in 2005, a 14-year-old girl who was lured by Epstein, Maxwell, Associates, and all these people, her father complains to the Palm Beach Police Department about being sexually abused by Jeffrey Epstein. This leads to an undercover investigation by Palm Beach PD where they launch this investigation where they’re able to connect multiple underage girls who are being lured by Epstein and Maxwell and other associates to the compound. It’s a welloiled system. There’s a documentary on Netflix. This is the part they actually did quite well of just showing the way that that all worked. Search warrant finds hidden cameras, sex toys, basically proof of underage communications with Epstein. They have him nailed dead to rights probably 20 years or whatever under state law. However, Epstein hires all of these extremely filthy rich lawyers who were able to go to the Palm Beach Police Department. They claim that they were poking holes in their case. Palm Beach PD basically throws up their hands and they’re like, “Look, I can’t handle this shit.” They’re like, “This is a level of, you know, this is a machine I’m going up against that I don’t know how to combat this machine.” They’re only they only have a bulletproof charge on him of solicitation of prostitution. But they go to the feds. Now, the feds of course have the vast resources of the federal government, the department of justice. The person who’s in charge that time is a guy named Alex Acasta. Alex Aosta, the US attorney for the southern Florida. Now, US attorney for Florida, this comes under his purview. This investigation is launched under him using FBI resources. They are able to develop a large case against Jeffrey Epstein. The operation is called Operation Leapear that is launched by them. Leap year uncovers evidence that Epstein has an interstate sex trafficking operation involving girls as young as 13 years old. Jeez. Now, this is a very important point. We have a secret federal indictment that was issued against Jeffrey Epstein where they lay out all of this evidence for a sweeping indictment which would have put him behind bars probably for I mean for probably for the rest of his life. This is where the everything starts to happen. This is where the sweetheart deal comes into play. And it’s at this point after this secret federal indictment that they come to the Epstein team and they’re like, “This is what we have on you. Let’s begin a negotiation because they’re looking for a plea deal.” Ultimately, they’re looking for a plea. Well, I think it’s part of I think it’s kind of customary where you bring, you know, when the feds investigate you, they have to send you a target letter. They’re like, “Hey, you’re under federal investigation. You need to hire counsel, you know, just so we can get this whole ball rolling.” I mean, something like 95% of people charged by the federal system plead guilty. So, it’s quite common. Most people don’t go to trial. The feds don’t want you to go to trial. If they do, they’re going to smack your, you know, they’ll hit you with charge after charge. You’re spend the rest of your life in prison. The vast vast majority of people in That’s why they have the 95% conviction. That’s why they have their conviction rate. Exactly. So that’s how they get to it, you know. And there’s variety of systemic issues. So it was all generally part for the course up until this point. That’s when Epstein hires Alan Derswitz. That’s when he hires all these Bush connected officials. All of these other Duritz Bush connected. Well, no, no, not Durwitz. other lawyers on the team who are connected to George W. Bush, the administration, to Republican politics in general because George W. Bush is the president at this time. And it’s at this time that you have the sweetheart nonprosecution agreement that is agreed upon by Alex Acasta and the Epstein legal defense team. Now, at this time too, this is a very important point. Joey, can you please put up my tweet? Epstein flees to Israel while he negotiates his deal with Aosta. So if you go to the uh first slide there please. Yes, this is from a wiki Vicky Ward story. Talk that Epstein had moved himself and his assets to Israel had reached the eyes ears of such luminaries as Harvey Weinstein, Jeff Buuches, Alex Gibney, Taylor Hackford, uh Alec Dustin Hoffman, Alec Baldwin and filmmaker Michael Mailor. Has anyone told Vicky Ward I heard someone say ah fame ever since I wrote this article about Epste in the March 2003 story. I’ve had dubious honor of being considered the New York expert on the case. Well, I’ve never been one to leave a riddle unsolved. So, I called Epstein’s office to ask. Around lunchtime, he phoned me laughing, assuming he’d been in Israel, but assuring me he’d been in Israel, but was now back in New York. And he says, “Would you want to live in Israel?” as he denigrates that. So, he goes to Israel while this sweetheart deal is being negotiated. This is very important. Okay. Again, very important is that he was safe in Israel for reasons that remain unknown to us to this day. And you generally can’t leave the country if you’re under Actually, yeah. Joey, can you go to the next slide there? When he returns when he go returns to America, as you can see right there, April 2008, Epstein returns from Israel before pleading guilty. Some question why he was allowed to even keep his passport while his team is undergoing negotiation with the federal government. Can you explain how normal that is? That is not normal. So that is extremely not. If you have money like that, you’re flight risk. Yeah, exactly. Oh, so while you’re being federally investigated, they will take your password because you are flight. It’s very similar to what happened I think at least in the beginning of the Diddy trial. Remember there was there was the words like Diddy was gonna flee and I think that they told him that he had to stay in America, right? I don’t have the to be clear I don’t think it’s well investigation. There are other I’m not a lawyer but the way I’d read about it is it was very uncommon at that time especially after he agreed to plead guilty because remember he plead agrees to plead guilty under a non-prosecution agreement in September 2007. This is April 2008. during this period he is in Israel where he’s effectively he’s going to flee 2007 to 2008 2007 to 2008 is while he is in is in Israel again basically the theory was the open talk in New York society that Vicky Ward heard is that Epste had moved himself and all his assets to Israel this is apparently by the way a common thing relatively common for pedophiles who are Jewish in the United States who actually have fled to Israel to escape prosecution really yeah uh actually Joey can you go down uh the Glen Greenwald. That is a bad look for Israel, dude. How Jewish American pedophiles hide from justice in Israel. Why do they accept? Well, Israel has the right to return for every Jew in the world. It’s called Aliyah. So, they’re taking of like a Yeah, some of them are take advantage and basically being able to go to Israel. I It’s complicated as well in terms of uh extradition agreements, etc. But Glenn Greenwald flagged that piece to me. How Jewish American pedophiles hide from Sorry, just to try to understand this. Is that something that the United States just allows for anybody? I I again I actually don’t know I only learned of it yesterday. I didn’t realize that it wasn’t just Epstein that there is actually like a common enough phenomenon that people have written a story about it before. I need to go look into it. In general, I would hope personally that we use our influence with all allies or any extradition agreement that anybody charged with a crime like this against children be immediately extradited to the United States. Cuz I I mean look, my friends that are in trouble with the Indian government over the joke, they took their passports. Yeah. They just got them back. But like I don’t even know if one of them got them back. You’re under arrest for freedom of speech potentially. We’re going to trial. You have my passport. This guy is on trial for pedophilia. Not on trial. He’s investigation investigation and eventually a non-prosecution agreement which is different because he admits to pleading. So he hasn’t been charged yet. Well, it had not been charged yet. He enters the non-prosecution agreement in September 2007. While he’s here or while he’s away while he’s in Israel. So while he’s in Israel, he enters. So his legal his legal team enters for he had already left. What I’m trying to understand is did he do anything illegal by leaving? Uh no I don’t think so anything that’s not normal. It’s more about the question of why do you feel so safe in Israel you know and it’s like why you know why are you going over there with all your assets? Did you get some promises there from the government intelligence connections? Again if you look at that Palm Beach story that that scroll up Joey and again put that screenshot about returns from Israel to the next one. It was noted at the time, this is a report from the Palm Beach, Palm Beach local news, that it was uncommon and that there were questions at the time why he was allowed to do. I’m just trying to I’m just obviously it it looks incredibly [ __ ] up. But I am trying to steal men in terms of let’s say that there was somebody that all had dual citizenship to Britain. They’re being investigated for something. Could they go stay in Brit? So that would be that would be okay and maybe not common but it would be legal. Although you just made an important point there is that we have never yet been acknowledged that Epstein ever was an Israeli citizen. So we have no idea where is he at that time? Uh we have no idea. To this day we don’t know. We do know that he was found with false passports that were inside of his house in New York City. So it’s possible he even What do you mean? Yeah. Can you Google it please Joey? Uh Epstein uh Epstein passports that were found at his New York City residence. This is an open acknowledged fact and I’ll come back to this. This is part of the intelligence case. Who the [ __ ] has false passports? It’s not exactly a easy thing for multiple passports and travels to Africa and to the Middle East and they were found in his residence in his New York City. Guys, did Jason born? I never understood false passports cuz everything’s connected to which means that there’s no really such thing as a false passport and there’s a passport that’s issued to you under false pretenses by foreign government. So, it’s just uh or by your own government or possibly by your own government. I wow. In the age of in the age of the barcode, there’s no false passport. Okay. All right. When’s the last time you guys flew into America? You know how much biometric data and all that stuff is there? This is not happening. But like CIA can issue passport. CIA can issue a passport under that that will clear state department. I mean, look, even which would confirm the connections to intelligence. Yeah. Go. No, I was just saying when you land in any country in the world, even the jankiest country in the world at this point, everybody’s swiping the passport. So then the question would be or the logical thinking would be he goes to Israel and while this deal is being negotiated if the deal is not advantageous to him I’m staying in Israel then he’s staying staying in Israel now is there is that does he have enough leverage where staying in Israel is actually a threat to the US intelligence apparatus this is unfortunately we still don’t know because this is all part of the unreleased perhaps Epstein files and I would be happy to be So in one circumstance it could be as simple as I’m not living in America as a pedophile. I’d rather just live over and there is no intelligence involved. There is another version where it’s like hey I’m going to go over here. Do you want me to tell all these guys everything I know? Because I could easily just tell them everything I know and they’ll accept that information. Let’s actually really sit on this because this is what leads to the sketchy nonprosecution agreement. So in September 2007, Alex Aassa offers Epstein non-prosecution agreement despite massive evidence of an ash of a sex trafficking ring that crosses state lines, a textbook definition of a federal case. He pleads only to the solicitation of prostitution involving a minor, and he must register as a sex offender. The conditions of his non-prosecution agreement basically say he must spend 18 months in the Palm Beach County Jail. He has weekend release. He’s allowed 12 hours a day, six days a week to basically do whatever he wants. There is some evidence that he actually continued some of his trafficking while he was actually locked up in prison. He had a black car that would pick him up for 12 hours a day. It’s the greatest deal in the entire world. And all he has to do is serve 18 months under these sweetheart conditions. And what he is able to do is that he is only has to register as a sex offender. He does not spend decades in federal prison. So he gets 12 hours a day by wait four to six days a week. Yeah. It’s called work release. They actually call it work release. That was the conditions. Now here’s another very important thing about this plea deal. Under this nonprosecution agreement. The federal government grants immunity for all crimes that were under investigation of that indictment to Jeffrey Epste and to all unindicted co-conspirators including Gileain Maxwell. So this nonprosecution agreement grants sweep him immunity of all crimes that were named secret indictment both for Galen Maxwell and for the Jeffrey Jeffrey pause right here. So in other words, he gets this slap on her wrist compared to what they’re investigating him for. That’s right. And he gets to wipe the slate clean for all the way worse [ __ ] that now he gets immunity. That’s different than wiping the slate clean. Does he then acknowledge all the things that happened through his immunity? I don’t believe so. I think it was just that these were the crimes that you were being investigated for and we’re going to basically agree that we’ll never prosecute you for them in exchange for us. It’s a limited hangout. Yeah. It’s like a Exactly. What is that called? Limited hangout. What does that mean? Basically, it’s like the publishing of some of the bad things you did in order to hide all of the bad things you did. So everything before 2008, he gets off with 18 months. Well, everything in the secret indictment that was against proof which by the way still exists and has never been released to this day. So there is a virgin ver version v version v version v version v version v version v version v version v version v version virgin a lot of them there is a version where we could is there any version where we could learn about what was in that yeah they could release it if they wanted to these are part of the promises that have been made by the would that break the immunity agreement well actually no so hold on a second this is part of the reason can you put that back up because this is important different than getting your reason why the reason why we ever learn anything about this is because of the victims and the courageous victims who according to The law on the books at the time is that the victims themselves had a right, a federal right to be informed of this nonprosecution agreement. This nonprosecution agreement was kept secret from the Epstein victims at the time which violates federal law. These people fight for justice. And it’s in 2018 that a court rules that the Epstein non-prosecution agreement violates the federal rights of the Epstein victims. It’s under that ground that the nonprosecution agreement is overturned. And it is under then that the Southern District of New York is able to arrest Jeffrey Epstein on new charges. So this civil right this this lawsuit is yeah the Crime Victim’s Rights Act. That’s exactly what it is. complained they were not informed of the government’s deal and were very unhappy about it because they trusted the feds to basically work basically give them justice on their behalf and they ruled the district court ruled that it violated their rights under the Crime Victim Rights Act and overturn the non-prosecution agreement which opens the door to his rearrest in 2019. Okay. So, hold on right here. Because it overturns that convict. I don’t want to say conviction, but it overturns the nonpartial agreement and the immunity. We should now legally have access to the indictment and investigation. We don’t legally have access to. Why is that? Why is there legal Why? Why can you overturn something, but he still gets immunity through it? Well, he didn’t have immunity. There’s re They indicted him on new charges. But there’s still an open question as to whether the all the new charges in the 2019 indictment against Epstein include the secret indictment and many of the charges that were made against him. Bare minimum, there would be nothing that would go against our system of justice that would simply expose all the charges and investigation in that initial crime or those initial crimes, right? Because it was overthrown. Well, it’s it’s complicated. So, I do know that the grand jury docs were actually released from 2006. I have this in front of me cuz I don’t have all of the details exactly on here, but it’s not the full like actual investigation. I guess what I’m trying to get at is is is this doesn’t necessarily prove a blackmail ring, which is seems the narrative is incredibly popular online. But it would accusations and the extent of the crimes that he was accused of. Yeah. Which we haven’t really gotten to at all. We’ve heard about them. Yes. But that information is not and and I think what would be very interesting about that is that if we have access to that information, yes, it might not incriminate the the co-conspirators. No, actually it would incriminate those co-conspirators now, but that would be okay because those people were being investigated and was going to go to trial anyway. We don’t fall into that same Maxwellization Act or whatever I was talking about before. That’s right. Right. This idea that like, oh, you were around Epstein, so we don’t want your name to be mentioned because your image could be tarnished when you weren’t actually accused of anything. No, no. This is they were accusing you of it and they were ready to go to trial. That’s right. They were willing to go. They’ve released that bare minim bare minimum. They’ve released some of that. They’ve released the grand jury documents. But exactly. So this gets to the whole point. And then even then whether we can really trust whether all those grand jury documents which were only released about a year or so ago. And by the way, I’m not a lawyer. So if I misspeak on any of this stuff, like please forgive me. I’m actually just trying to compile like all the evidence. What we do know, at least according to the Justice Department, is that this was a deal that should never have happened. But that doesn’t happen until 2020 after Epstein kills himself. after the office of professional responsibility officially says Alex Aasso showed poor judgment whenever he entered this investigation. But that’s the whole ball game here is why we did not why we let him off on a sweetheart deal. Go ahead. Was uh Galain the only co-conspirator that got immun. She wasn’t named in it. It was like to any co-conspirator. It was she wasn’t specifically named, but it did cover her because she was one of the people who were it covered all who I think is who else was covered there. You’d have to I’d have to revisit that exact case, but I know there were like assistants and other people who were involved in that’s the thing like this. I mean, look, this doesn’t just it’s like remember Harvey Weinstein, he had all of his assistants, hold on a second here. There’s a lot of people that need to know about this to make this all happen. So, here’s a weird question kind of why would that judge in 2018 suddenly kind of buck everything else that’s happened and say no these victims have a right to justice because it’s a clear-cut case they were it’s literally the law that they had to be informed of the of the non-prosecution agreement very ignorant question why you take 10 years where the legal system is very slow that’s that’s just basically what it is also a lot of them were felt in silence a lot of them didn’t even know about it they learned about it later and after they learned about it they thought that this had all been a lot more pen he had been penal more after they learn again that documentary on Netflix that actually goes into all of these specifics. But I’m more focused on the intelligence question. That’s like the case I want to really stick with because that’s the whole ball game is here is why did Aosta let him off? And before you get to that, Mark, what were you saying? Do you know if the statute of limitations applies for these kinds of things if someone’s sort of uh like collaboration with a crime is Yeah. Yeah. Well, we’d have to go we’d have to do the math. But if you think about the statute of limitations, Galileain goes on trial for crimes in the 1990s. So presumably, you know, all of her convictions if it’s in what 2021, I think she was convicted, then let’s go back some 20 years. So there must be the statute of limitations. There is for everything I think but murder. But it presumably does go back like decades enough that she was able to be prosecuted at the very least. co-conspirators. The other co-conspirators could also be and wouldn’t it wipe away the the statute of limitations if limitations if there was proven that there were the case wasn’t handled according to the the legalities of situations. I’m not a lawyer. I don’t you get what I’m saying? It’s like let’s say like they you would think so, but I could also see some [ __ ] way where they’re like no it’s the government’s fault for entering into a bad thing so you can’t prosecute it. But well they didn’t enter into a bad thing. They didn’t tell the what were what are the what are the people they didn’t tell the victims of the agreement. So I would imagine you’ll it’s like a mistrial you allowed to do it again. I I don’t think that the statute of limitations would wipe that away. I think the victims will just have right to see that agreement. I don’t think it would undo the agreement. Yeah. They Yeah. Exactly. The the thing is is that they were all they didn’t have to do anything except tell them, hey guys, this is what we did and they just didn’t do it because it was a sweetheart deal and they didn’t want to reveal why he’s able to get away with this. But this is kind of what Miles has one question before really really quick. The Freedom of Information Act, would this apply at any point? Is there like a time in which this will uh have to release? That’s a foyer that’s a big FOYA question. So FOYA I mean it can take forever in the department of justice and there are various like classification rules. This leads remember there was redactions in the Epstein files and even then it has to go through review of the FOYA officer. This is not really something that we’ll ever find out via FOYA. That’s almost impossible. Got it. And then secondly when people talk about the word or like say Epstein files are they generally referring to this secret indictment is that the bulk of it or there so many other pieces? I’m trying to find the secret indictment details here just so yeah this to the sealed federal indictment prepared by the Southern District of New York that led to his eventual July 2019 arrest. This was under seal in late June. So this basically goes back to this the indictment that was previous prior to the non-prosecution agreement. That’s what I’m talking about. That is not what the Epstein supposed files are. Okay. And this is the other problem. Nobody really knows what the Epstein files are. And there’s been this bastardization again of this idea of the black book and the so-called client list. I’m telling you, it doesn’t work like that. Like there are names in books. Some of the names in the Epstein black book actually turned out he never met them. Right? So what Epstein files to me is financial records is the entire like conspirators. The co-conspirators, the entire the original investigation documents, the FBI 302s and the you know the what’s the operation? That’s what we’re going to learn about. That’s that’s what we all want to know. Take a bunch of tapes and the tapes that were allegedly lost about the cash and the artwork and uh the flight logs which are still not you know entirely released very been released in dips drips and hilarious. Okay, when they do that so let’s focus here on the nonprosecution agreement and why this did not happen and the case for why it is very in my opinion likely he was an intelligence asset. So in 2019, Joey, if you could please put this up from the Daily Beast, Vicky Ward, remember this is Vicky Ward. This is the person who reports from Vanity Fair 2002, probably the foremost authority on Epstein. She reports that Alex Accassa, while he was being screened by the Trump transition team in 2017, when he was asked, “Why did you back off the Epstein case?” She says here, “He was told, she was told he belonged to intelligence and to let it go.” Now, this I want to be clear. It’s not been confirmed 100% that he said this. This is reporting from Vicky Ward about the Trump transition team. Now, though, if you can go to the next link that I sent in 2019 when Alex Aosta holds a press conference about this entire issue and he is asked specifically about intelligence ties of Jeffrey Epstein and whether he would confirm this, he says, quote, “I would hesitate to that reporting as fact, but I he would not deny it.” Later on, he is asked on the record here by the Office of Professional Responsibility whether he had any information that Epstein was an intelligence asset. He says absolutely not. I did not have information. And he’s informed that he is allowed to speak about this in a classified setting if he would like to, but he denies that he had information. But it’s important to actually release the exact transcript as to what and how he was asked because you remember when I said earlier when Naftali Bennett said he never worked for Mossad. That’s very different than worked with Mossad. That’s very different than was aware of had contact with. Right? Do you see what I’m saying? There are multiple non people can be very specific with their wording to evade the truth. Yes. Correct. As any lawyer and any former US attorney would know when he’s under question. Nonetheless, Alex Aassa had an opportunity to address this and issued a non-denial denial in his public press conference in 2019. Last time I was here, I told you guys my great regret is I sat him next to him on a plane and I didn’t ask him about it because it was a midnight flight from Miami and nobody was talking and I’m just staring at this dude being like, “Bro, I got to like I got to ask, you know, he probably thought I was such a freak. He’s like, who is this guy? Look at me.” probably. Yeah. Like anyway, so Alex, if you’re listening, I would still love to uh to talk to you about it, but he’s never he has never confirmed. He’s never confirmed. He’s never denied it. He’s he basically lives I mean, look, he lives a private life in in Miami. He can come out at any time. He didn’t kind of deny it. Well, he said here, he said here, and he didn’t really deny it. And again, this is why he wants the exact. This is why the exact transcript matters because he said here, let’s let’s open it up very specific. Is that transcript available? No, it’s not available. And actually that’s one of the Epstein files that people would like released. So EP Kasa told OPR he did not have any information about cooperating a federal investigation or relating to media reports that Epstein had quote been an intelligence asset. OPR says it did not find any reference to his purported cooperation or even a suggestion. At the in the footnote they says when a OPR asked Aosta about his apparent equivocation in a 2019 press conference in answering the media question about Epstein being an intelligence asset he said quote the answer is no. So that’s what he told them. Okay, let’s be clear uh about what he said at least in one on the record setting because there are various different reporting on this. I am personally inclined to take the totality of evidence of everything I talked about about his connections with Hoth with Adnan Kosigible with Douglas Lee to show all of his connections that we’re about to get into with with Israel and say I think there’s a pretty good case to be made. And let’s also get now to why the intelligence community would ever want to cover this stuff up. All right, why? So, can we go to the next uh link, please? This is from BuzzFeed News 2021. A great reporter, Jason Leopold. He’s like the foyer king. And what he reported in 2021 is secret CIA files say that staffers committed sex crimes involving children. Declassified CIA Inspector General report shows a pattern of abuse and repeated decision by the federal prosecutors not to hold agency personnel accountable. Now, why? And by the way, some of these agents abuse children as young as two and six, which are named here in the documents. All right? And so, um, why would the feds not want to prosecate prosecute known pedophiles, people who are actually abusing children, not just child pornography? Why? They were concerned if they prosecuted them in open court that sources and methods would be revealed. So in sources and methods, so in 10 different uh known times here from the CIA inspector general, they decided not to prosecute known pedophiles specifically to make sure that they could protect intelligence at the expense of justice and bringing people and putting these people in jail. So that shows you that there is a track record here from the United States government, from the CI inspector general report in which even in a much lower level scenario that they don’t want this information to come to light. Not because they necessarily care about the justice, they care at the end of the day about sources and methods and about at all costs. They want to keep all of these people out of open court because those people might start talking a whole lot of [ __ ] while they’re on the transcript, on the record, and they might say, “Hey, you put me in federal prison, I’m going to tell the whole world what I know.” And in exchange, they’re led off with probably the worst crime that you can commit. You know, literally in my opinion, like the worst possible crime that you can commit. We’re talking about the sexual abuse here of children as young as two and as six. Second one, and this shows you actually a more uh systematic one. Shout out to my friend Daryl Cooper uh who uh flagged this case to me in his podcast. I highly recommend it. The Martyr Made podcast on the Epstein Files. So, this is something he brought to my attention by his podcast is that all throughout the 1970s and 1980s, there was this place called Concora Children’s Home in Northern Ireland, where it was basically a hub and an orphanage for orphaned boys who were being systematically abused by intelligence assets known to MI6 and MI5 because and and and it was basically covered up and ignored because they were key conduits in helping MI5 manage the Northern Irish problem during the troubles. This is a but a clear-cut example of basically everybody understands MI5 MI6 is a British intelligence British intelligence and then the troubles is a time in which there was Irish resistance Irish resistance against the UK in Northern Ireland and it’s complicated. I’m not a full expert. The argument is in order to manage that resistance they had these intelligence assets who were sexually abusing children. They knew they were sexually abusing and they let it happen because it was advantageous to because it was advantageous to continue that intelligence. What I’m just showing though this has all happened in the past. But just so we can clarify, it doesn’t mean MI5 and MI6 are orchestrating the molestation of these children. It means that they are looking the other way which is equally heinous. It’s honestly worse in my I actually think it’s worse. Okay, fair enough. Um because it is advantageous for what the you know current administration or what the country wanted at the time. And so you were using this as evidence that intelligence communities have done this in have done this in the past. These are verified incidents. They show us this has happened. And real quick, it would lend itself to this idea that intelligence communities were aware of what Epste was doing and was able to look the other way because there was access to certain information and money and money that they wanted. So, it would thwart this idea that the government is actively using Epstein as a a a worker, if you will, to run a blackmail ring, but it would confirm this idea that they were aware of this pedophile sex trafficking ring happening and they allowed it to happen. So, as long as that they could use him, continue to use him as an asset. That’s exactly right. which I think is an important slice because I think the internet has taken Epstein and turned him into the MSAD CIA government blackmail ring that they used to incriminate the elites which at this point in time we don’t know if there’s any evidence of that but it seemed like there’s overwhelming evidence to his access to these elites and his utility to intelligence services. Correct. That’s exactly right. And I wonder if it’s advantageous for for intelligence to have an asset or someone like this that has such a malignant proclivity. Correct. You’re exact. See, this is very important. Can you go on? Can you continue on that? But it’s like if basically you have someone that’s able to have access to all this information and money, but also is a known pedophile. He’s much easier to control and coers. So it’s like in the hood if you got a crackhead or a heroin addict that you need him to do some [ __ ] [ __ ] that they always got to come back to you cuz they’re addicted to the thing you got. Yeah, that’s exactly right. I mean, the FBI looks the other way uh for on criminals. Actually, Joey, can you Google this? It’s like uh confidential informants commit crimes FBI. There was a report recently. It came out a couple years ago that named like the number of crimes that the FBI allowed its confidential informants to commit while it was working with them. This is Whitey Buler. Yeah, but it’s it’s not Whitey. It’s like it’s way bigger than that. Whitey would be like the biggest perfect example of that. So the notorious Boston gangster who was always an FBI informant but they allowed him to continue to run [ __ ] in Boston. I mean it’s thousands of crimes a dictator and they can do whatever they want to do whatever you want as long as you keep certain things. Oh you can kill tens of thousands hundreds of thousands of people as long as it’s your loyal I would Google something like confidential informants commit crimes like FBI admits something like that. Maybe we can find that. Uh, I’m I’m just citing it off the top of my head. Sorry. In the meantime, do we have since I’ve looked at it? Go ahead. Do we have any idea what he’s providing that is worth the kids getting? Yeah, there we go. FBI allowed informants to commit 5,000 fings or something like it’s like maybe 5,000 or 50,000. I can’t read the headline. Exactly. I’m again I’m I’m trying to say 5,600. I’m trying to show everybody that this is this is business as usual for the for the federal government. And just to clarify, not all these crimes are kid [ __ ] Some of these crimes are drug running. crimes or drugs. Exactly. There are illegal activities that the FBI is aware of and they allow these people to operate in these spaces. They know that they’re operating these spaces and being watched just as long as that information trickles back. For example, if you’re a gun runner in America, you want to send some guns to some third world country, the FBI or the CIA is going to be aware of that. They can tap you for that information and they might actually want those guns to get over there and they might need somebody like you were describing before to ensure that those guns actually get there for their nefarious purposes. But again, I just want to parcel this. It’s not like the only crimes being committed are having sex with him. It is quite common that you are using these nefarious characters to carry out the uh the horrible crimes that you cannot be associated as you point out earlier. Always business as usual. It’s just extended to the furthest possible one that is struggling. Yeah. And we all struggle with that because we’re good people. But when but when you’re surrounded by this look it’s all how do how do you commit major crimes right you it’s all a buildup like nobody just starts out immediately like going for a billion dollar Ponzi scheme I mean one of my favorite books is the history of the maid off uh scheme it starts small man it starts with one it’s one doctorred paper and then it leads to this and then it’s one lie it’s one quarter it’s just one that’s all and then you take another and next thing you know you’re running a $56 billion Ponzi scheme okay it takes 50 years to get there but it doesn’t happen all overnight. It happens in a permission structure in an environment of crime. This structure is huge. This might be the most obvious answer in the world or or there is no answer and that’s obvious. What intelligence is he providing? Do we have any idea that it’s like oh well this is potentially a pedophilia ring involving the most powerful people in the world and instead of having any kind of justice information. Okay. Okay. So let’s speculate at this because this is pure speculation. We have no idea and this is part of what it would be great to get from files or investigation or a church committee. You know the church committee actually would be the only answer here. We need congressional committee know about pedophilia. Do you know what the church committee is? No in the 19. It was senator Frank Church who was American hero. No church can help. It’s call it the church. Call it anything else. Senator Frank George Church in the 1970s exposed co-intel pro all of the out of control operations by the FBI and the CIA and he brought the intelligence community to bear postwatergate and basically America didn’t trust them anymore. Senator Church basically seized on this. He exposed a lot of the issues with the Black Panthers with Co-Iintel Pro with the Canel Pro to anybody who’s watching. Co-intel Pro was a what was it? CIA. Was it is that mind control? What am I thinking of agent provocators? I’m getting them all agent provocators. You put the FBI agents in peaceful against the black. So there’s that. And then what was the mind control? What MK that’s MK? He exposed all this, right? So that’s why what I’m saying is we need something like that to happen with this. The intelligence community could be um effectively using illegal measures to incriminate people that are not doing actual crime or acting against their own citizens. Acting against their own citizens like he was an arms dealer, money launderer. That’s a lot of by the way. What I’m trying to say is there is a lot of evidence that points in that direction. I can’t get further without the documents without he was just acting like he was what information knew a lot of arms dealers knew a lot of people who were doing so you know look we can only speculate as to what is exactly happening bare minimum what we can confirm is that he was involved we obviously outside the child sex traffing that he was doing illegal money laundering he appears in my opinion to have been doing well didn’t he get caught at bear sterns maybe not money laundering but insider trade yeah he was doing something that violated compliance rules in the 1980s doing illegal stuff with the transfer of money, probably tax evasion, which is quite common when you’re dealing with this type of money, but still willing to go to illegal measures to uh, you know, prop up the wealth of the world’s elite. He opens up his own firm and only accepts billionaire. Billionaire, right? So again, like what do we That’s what I’m going to do. I’m open up a podcast billionaire. Well, think about it. Actually, today it would be the equivalent of saying only 20 billion, right? There’s not that many people who are worth more than 20 billion. What if there was one guy that was managing the money of all the richest people in the world? It would be advantageous for the intelligence communities of any country to have access to that guy. You would actually be quite foolish if you didn’t. You have to have something. Exactly. So, this is where again like we can only speculate what did they get out of this. In my opinion, in the 1980s he was obviously financing arms deals. There’s just like clear-cut case for me that’s the most useful black money is the most useful thing in the world to a US intelligence or Mossad intelligence, Saudi intelligence, any of these other people. Then it gets to the question of the whole blackmail thing. And uh look, I think there is at least some evidence here in the case of Wexner and others that it appears to look like blackmail was used by Epstein for his personal financial gain. And then we combine the two to where we have hidden cameras that we know about in the Virgin Islands, that we know about in the New York residence, that we know about in Palm Beach. Many of this footage and other things never have been released. We know about the DVDs and other on the cameras. I think it’s important to note that it’s not simply security cameras. I have cameras in all my homes and they were Exactly. Like they were wired for audio as well and they were in the bathrooms. I don’t have Yes. But I actually think that’s another interesting point cuz that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s only sexual blackmail. Oh, I I would imagine it’s the it’s more come over to my house. Let’s just talk about some you go to the bathroom and you’re like this [ __ ] weirdo. I got to get the hell out of here. he’s a piece of [ __ ] blah blah blah. And now you got that locked and then the FBI gets access, which I think is an important delineation that you might have some head of state and let’s say they’re in the Epstein files as oh there is audiovisisual blackmail of Bill Clinton or Barack. It might not necessarily be sexual. Yeah, you’re exactly right. All right, guys, let’s take a break for important because now I want to start making the Israel case specifically. So I already talked about how earlier Epste look I am I look I want to present this fact actually I don’t need people coming with the anti-semitism accusations let’s live only in the world of fact make those accusations anymore absolutely that happens today right now this entire thing is going to be branded anti-semitic but listen I don’t care anymore but even though they are going to say that no matter what we should not be irresponsible and let’s live in the world of fact so go ahead Joey and scroll [ __ ] antiat that says Epstein and A Barack. So, okay, let’s go and put this up here. Here are the lists that I compiled just yesterday of every Israeli prime minister who we know who was linked to Jeffrey Epstein. Number one is Shimone Perez. Shimon Perez was the prime minister of Israel in the 1980s. He according to Aud Barack himself in the open record introduced Aayud Barack to Jeffrey Epste. So that’s the first prime minister of Israel that we know is linked to Jeffrey Epstein. Number two is Aayude Omare who was named as an Epstein associate by the US Virgin Islands in their lawsuit against JP Morgan and Chase. I will be honest audast amount of information. We only know he was named by the US Virgin Islands as an Epstein associate. Number three, Aud Barack as I list there connections too vast to paraphrase. All right. And so let’s spend some time now on Aud Brock. Let me return to Netanyahu in a bit in my document. You can scroll to the Epstein and Aud Barack uh section. Aid Barack stayed for multiple times at Jeffrey Epste’s house. This is confirmed. He flew dozens of times on Jeffrey Epstein’s private jet. But he has no stay in New York City. Yeah, right. He’s a former prime minister of Israel. He could actually Joey, can you pull up the photo audacity? You going say it’s the four seasons? No, I want you guys to see the photo. There’s a photo of Aud Barack walking into the Epstein mansion with his face covered with a scarf up to his nose. And this is precoid time. He says it was cold, but it was cold. Yeah, there it is. Look at that. Look, look at that. That’s him walking into Jeffrey Epste’s house. That’s insane. People don’t walk around like that. They don’t walk around like that. Sorry. Yeah. And that’s post 2008. So again, we’re talking about postconviction. He’s a registered sex offender still staying at his house. He’s staying at his house. Okay. All right. Also 2015 I have a a documented link here. Epste be cheap and not want to Epstein funded Audac New York. All right, continue. Epstein funded Aayude Barack’s defense intelligence startup to the tune of millions of dollars. So that in my opinion is one of the real smoking guns because what did I talk about earlier with Jeffrey uh with Robert Maxwell was the funding of software used by the Israeli government to do what? to spy on the United States. Now, this this software would be used to spy everywhere, I imagine. Right. Yeah, of course. Like Pegasus, right? And right all of these other things or right so it’s not just the United States, but it’s everybody. All right. But here in this case, Epstein entered partnership worth millions with a Barack in 2015 postconviction registered sex offender. Okay, let’s continue. Barack is who? The former not only prime minister, the former head of military intelligence inside of Israel. Let’s continue beyond that and let’s say ask about audac and what else he did. I have this in the Wexner section if you want. It is let me find it here. Uh I may not have actually put a citation. You can Google it if you would like. Epstein, who was also named by Lesie Wexner as a trustee of the Wexner Foundation, paid Aayud Barack $2.3 million to complete two consulting reports, one of which he never finished. Okay. $2.3 million paid by the Wexner Foundation to Aud Brock, the former prime minister of Israel, for one of which he never finished. Okay? I’m just saying. Good, good work if you can get it, right? 2.3 million. Everybody out there, if you’re struggling with your bills and your mortgage, this is insane. All right. This is insane. For purposes of what? We don’t know. Now, let’s return to the Wexner Foundation. Why would you be paying him? Yeah. Exactly. What’s going on? No, I guess I’m saying like why is that advantageous? Like if cuz it’s like a jobs program for all of these former Israeli officials and it’s basically a network where and this is actually fits what I was about to continue. The Wextern Foundation funds a fellowship right now at Harvard University, which by the way of course also had connections with Jeffrey Epstein. And what did we see is that the Wexter Foundation has for decades now sponsored programs where Israeli officials including military officials and civil government officials come to the United States to quote learn leadership. And it’s known as one of the largest networks of like highly influential Israeli government officials who come to the United States and basically link up with one another as a very very powerful nexus. So the Wexner Foundation is involved. And why is that incriminating that they come here and learn leadership? Well, it’s not incriminating. I’m just saying that the Wexter this is an American. He’s a billionaire. He’s funding Apac and all of these various Zionist causes. He’s also paying weirdly $2.3 million to a former Israeli prime minister. This is a foundation which Epstein has a lot of control over. By the way, just to be fair to them, they have claimed that they that Epstein had no influence over that decision. Okay. I mean, he was, you know, basically running it and he had power of attorney by Leslie Wexner. But, you know, to be fair to the Wexter Foundation. I mean, I just think it’s crazy there. This is insane to pay $2.3 million to aid Barack. So, what So, take me down that line of thinking. If you pay him that money, what does that mean? Yeah. For what? It’s like to what? me down. I don’t know. Give me a hypothetical. My hypothetical is that, you know, is that these are basically ways to create slush funds that perhaps he was using and others to fund other intelligence operations. This returns me to the black money point is that you need legitimate ways to wash money. Nonprofits are great. He’s giving the money to him and then he’s doing, you know, nefarious. I don’t know what he’s doing. Is there a way of looking at it where you go Jeffrey Epstein is working for US intelligence and in a way this is how they’re bribing Israeli intelligence very well to us and this is why I will never sit here and say he was solely a Mossad agent or MOSAD asset solely a US asset I think he was a he was a hired gun he would work for anybody he would he that’s and everybody would want to work with this person who he has access to all the world’s money to the world’s rich and the famous he can tell you the secrets I This is the gold standard of an intelligence asset in the United States of America, the capital of the global empire, right? New York City, the clap capital of global finance. People, even even private business people would want to be friends with Epstein because like, hey, what’s going on with that deal? Are they going to, you know, do a leverage buyout with this person and Epstein would be like, “Yeah, maybe I can find out for you, right?” And, you know, calls up this person. So there are a lot of reasons to want to have access to all of this which is very want access to why would he want access to abstain? Well that’s that is one of those things where I actually think the relationship was the other way because it’s it might be just a quid quote quid proco situation like you’re Aud Brocker the former prime minister of Israel and Jeffrey Epste is a guy who made his money somehow and you need millions of dollars from him not a legitimate you know uh venture capital firm. I think that the reason that they want sketchy money is because it was probably in my opinion some sort of intelligence front and that this is exactly he’s fulfilling his purpose. The financeier uses the money, the dirty money or the you know untraceable money to fund future spyware intelligence companies. This gets to the front company discourse. It also shows us that he was involved in this in 2015. It wasn’t that long ago, okay? It was only 10 years ago that he was still doing this. So it shows that even post conviction he’s continuing the behavior which is very suspicious in my opinion. So that’s that’s that’s where we are with Aid Brock. Now let’s return to Netanyahu because uh this is a fun story actually. So Netanyahu in 2011 I have that screenshot in my tweet if you want to go ahead and put that up there. Netanyahu uh met with the JP Morgan exec I mentioned earlier, Jess Staley. All right. So, Jess Staley in 2011 emails Epstein and he said, “Uh, I got to find the exact uh text. Uh, I don’t have it here in the document, but I tweeted it a couple of days ago. Let me just go ahead and find it because the wording of it is genuinely remarkable where he sends him an email and he said something like, “Against all odds, yeah, here we go. In 2011, JP Morgan executive forward an email to Epstein. Against all odds, we have been granted a meeting with Prime Minister Netanyahu. Epstein replies, “Surprise, surprise.” The US Virgin Island notes that he was a key conduit in brokering meetings like this. And so here’s from the US Virgin Islands lawsuit where they note some of the world’s dignitaries, Prince Andrew, Aayude Barack, Netanyahu, David Gurgen. My point is around this is this JP Morgan CEO is able, you know, from the email discourse, he’s like, “Against all odds, we were granted a meeting with Netanyahu.” And Epstein replies, “Surprise, surprise. Why can’t JP Morgan get a meeting with Netanyahu?” Exactly. And first of all, it’s super weird, you know, why why wouldn’t you be able to get a meeting with Netanyahu? JP Morgan, you’re one of the biggest in the world. Would you give that to Epstein? And Epste’s like, “Yeah, you’re you know, you’re welcome for hooking it up.” I think it’s weird. Now none of these point perhaps to like direct employee relationship. It points to a vast network and network which was useful perhaps at times with the US and Israeli intelligence. But this looks like uh Epstein has influence over Israel, not the other way around. Well, it looks like but it could be birectional, right? Of course. Of course. I’m just saying in this certain circumstance, it’s like, hey, we need to meet with this guy. We can’t happen. And he’s like, I’ll tell him what to do. Well, yeah, but it’s not really influence. is more acting as an agent for major financial institutions to hook them up with the Israeli government. Now look, I mean Netanyahu, by the way, has never answered any questions about this. Aud Barack has, you know, you’re saying in his Neilk boys interview, he didn’t talk about this. Is that out yet? By the way, do we know what’s up with signing them? I don’t understand. Like, bro, I I said this. I was like, you have a newsy interview. You got to release that [ __ ] You can’t just hold a prime minister for for a week. It’s [ __ ] crazy. Your nail thing is still one of my favorite things of yours. Hey, how long keg stand? How many happy dads do you think you can drink in 30 seconds? He’s literally I forget the one who was annoying with you who’s literally like be on his phone while BB is talking or Well, the thing about Israel Palestine, what kind of watch is that? Yeah. What a joke. Yeah. Wait. So, okay. So play devil’s advocate for some of these people who would be on Epste’s list. And you brought this up earlier, but like theoretically you got if I’m a Bill Gates and this guy has access to all of these people and I’m concerned with wealth. I guess he’s already been convicted of the pedophilia, so even associated with him is is crazy. But theoretically, it’s like, well, he could connect me with that billionaire and that billionaire and that. Well, that’s what happened in Bill Gates’s case. So Bill Gates, if you guys remember, uh, well, it’s complicated. There’s a lot of reporting about it, but allegedly, you know, he would use Epstein for marriage advice and things like that. Sketchy is too old. Yeah, that’s that’s um you know, I mean, actually, this is important on the Bill Gates story. Melinda Gates divorced him over the Epstein thing. And is that what she said? Okay. Well, that’s the I would say that, too. But guys, let’s stick with that because here’s the thing. It had to be bad because Bill Gates was an obvious philanderer for over 20 years, for their entire marriage. So, what was worse than that to get you to divorce him? Yeah, there had to be something. I I think there was something sketchy that she found out. Like, look, maybe she was just appalled by all the reporting, but she knew. Look, everybody at Microsoft knew that Bill Gates was having affairs. This is already documented. It’s out there. Like, in terms of his conduct with women over the last 20 years, so it can’t have been as bad as There’s an income level where it’s like they’re multi-billionaire. They they probably are not even in the same country, right? They’re like they’re both like vast estates that can just move around on private jets. So again, oh my god, I did not like that he had this is Melinda Gates. I did not like that he had meetings with Jeffrey Epstein. No, I made that clear to him. He was abhorrent. He was evil personified. My heart breaks for these women. Yeah, I guess you got to say that. Yeah, but it’s one of those things where there might be something else. I feel that way. Do we know the first time? What’s the gap between the divorce and the first time this guy meets EPS? Cuz there’s I think there’s like 12 years where Melinda could have left. Yeah. Do you not like that it got out? Well, that’s part of it. I mean, so if you don’t like that it got out, maybe she didn’t know. I do not know. Maybe she didn’t know. She could have left earlier if she was so bothered by it. I think what Alex is saying, maybe she didn’t know. Maybe she didn’t know. I think she should have known. I think she didn’t know because all of the stuff is about his but and I think actually she may know even more than we all do about what was going on in some of those rooms and well maybe it’s like she asked him to come clean and he came clean or maybe there’s some stuff in court documents and lawsuits and others but have been alleged against him that again could have been like it was like billions uh I mean we can look at it I don’t know exactly what it was yeah it’s going to be billions no matter what so it’s uh what was it 40 billion something like that maybe 50 um and control of the bill and meinda Gates Foundation. They agree to continue those two things together. There’s something going on. That’s all I’m saying. All right. All right. 12.5 billion grand for her work. Um, can you hear the show more? Maybe I’m thinking of Nelly Mel. Oh, they have no They have no prenup. She’s going to get it no matter what, right? Yeah. She was going to get it no matter what. So, she Yeah. Okay. Right. So, anyway, my my thing is like why now? I just think again she knew about his cheating like it had to be worse than that. I I don’t really know what it was or public um or or public. It’s possible. But Bill Gates met with Epstein because he was trying to win a Nobel Peace Prize. Bill Gates wanted the Nobel Peace Prize for the Bill and Meinda Gates Foundation. Epste’s like, “Oh, I can make that happen.” And why? Like that’s that’s the questions like why even after being a registered sex offender like Andrew, you and I are in a weird position with him. He just I’m sure all of us as public people, we get invited to dinners like all the time, right? And I r very rarely go cuz it’s like annoying. But I I used to go. But like what I always do is just a cursory Google search, right? And if somebody invited me to dinner, you know, and was a registered sex offender, which one of the very first things going to pop up, I’m not going. But George Stephanopoulos went, Bill Gates went, uh, Reed Hoffman. Why do you think they went Peter? I don’t know. How do you have time? I barely hang out with my real friends. Right. Exact. It’s like, what is going on here? you know, you and not only you guys are doing dinners or whatever, you’re all like wiring money to each other, the Bill and Melinda G like the Nobel Peace Prize, and there’s all kinds of people we don’t even know about because there has not been yet a release of the files. But isn’t it like the rich people stuff that you were saying before? It’s like, h well, he’s going over there. I guess it’s cool if we all go. Yeah. But yeah, but still, doesn’t the sex offender thing register at any point? Like what point? At what point does it register to be like, “Oh, we’re not doing this.” I can understand not Google. To be honest with you, I probably wouldn’t Google, but once somebody’s convicted, [ __ ] that. Your staff is going to Google. Yeah, right. Exactly. Like all these meetings are going through your staff. I’m not saying I’m not worth enough to have a staff. If I was, they would Google anybody assistance. You’re not getting in the door. Think about how many people were terrified of just coming on a podcast, right? almost terrified to come on a podcast, right? You have some of the most powerful people in the world that are going to meet up with a convicted pedophile, right? Yeah. You know what’s going on, you know, but you said in the ’90s it was already common knowledge that he likes him young. So, it’s like they knew that big difference being a registered sex offender. Yeah. Before that, they all they all rationalize it. I’m sure their staff says, “Yeah, look, he was given such a light sentence because it was kind of [ __ ] the charges were that the girl was under and so the whole thing was overblown and you’re about to get $2 billion in a peace prize in your foundation and then you go all right for $2 billion I have people I could help I can have a closed door meeting with the guy the weirdest thing it’s the reputation laundering like again we’re talking about Bill Gates we’re talking about MIT we’re talking about the Ivy League universities we’re talking about some of the world’s most professional and smartest scientists who are going over to his house for dinner who are you know accepting grants for his work at the MIT lab who all of this is postconviction guys you don’t just give money to MIT they’re have enough money they don’t just take it from anyone they do extensive background to make sure that you can put your name on something and they know what’s happening I have a I have a friend of mine who has a uh a real estate fund or whatever and he got investment from these institutional places like MIT and that and the amount of background due diligence must be insane it’s not insane and it he he often like criticizes some of like the developers who just like they raise money in the community and he’s like yeah It’s [ __ ] because if you lose their money, it’s no big deal. There’s nobody to answer to. When you get money from an institution like the UC fund, like UC pension fund, exactly like the amount of due diligence, the SEC is on your phone like you are getting looked at constantly. So, it’s not like that’s not going to come up. It does come up and they look the other way, which is peculiar. It’s weird. Okay. Uh last thing, uh I actually didn’t put this in my notes and this really I just my goal here is to just emphasize all the connections and what could possibly still yet to be released. So please Google the New York Financial Services report on Epstein which regards Deutsche Bank. Now this report I read it in 2020. It’s one of the craziest things I ever read because it is a description of financial behavior at this bank that any normal individual would never get away with. not only looking the other way, holding highle meetings being like, “Guys, we’re not in compliance right now.” They’re like, “This is violating banking rules.” He is taking out mill like millions of dollars in cash, $9,900 at a time. They’re not reporting it to the feds, which are supposed to. He’s wiring money to Eastern European women and obvious like sex trafficking wing post conviction, which by the way, post conviction, they weren’t even really going to supposed to be doing business with him for the reputation of the bank. But they cite in the Deutsche Bank settlement in with the New York Financial Services internal emails where they’re like, “Hey, he’s really good for business because he connects us with a whole lot of people.” These are out in the open, right? And like inside you literally watch as lower level compliance people who don’t know what’s up flag to their bosses and they’re like, “Guys, what are we doing here? Like this is violating bank rules.” And they’re like, “Hey, like stop.” Right? I mean, I’m talking all the way up to the highest level of the bank where internal conversations are had in multiple times. This rep violates multiple bank policies. It violates the law, in this case, New York State law, about the way that you’re supposed to conduct yourself as a financial institution, looking the other ways, all these insane wire transfers for millions and millions of dollars. So, to me, that’s like my final thing here. These are the files I want. I want the actual banking records. I want the LLC formation documents. I want the trust. Yeah. From the wire. My favorite quote, you know, from Lester Freeman. If you start to follow the money, you don’t know where the [ __ ] it’s going to take you. And that’s really what the whole story is about, you know. And yes, I understand the salacious details. And I spent a lot of time on it here, you know, the pedophilia investigation and all of that, but it’s secondary to the level of influence that he had. And to the extent that it mattered, it mattered because he was so important in some respect that everyone was either able to look the other way or enable it or empower it and to make it happen in such a systematic way that involves all the world’s most powerful elite. So that’s my final thing is release the Epstein files that actually matter and show us who he was. It’s not just about intelligence, it’s about the financial network. And the reason I think that it’s being covered up here is because it does implicate everybody. I think it imp implicates multiple governments, specifically the Israeli government. I think it also implicates the United States government. I think it’s very uncomfortable for the world’s richest and most powerful elite. It shows and you know the Bush administration. It shows the Trump administration. It shows the Biden administration who sat on some of these. It, you know, some of the most powerful and influential people in the whole world. It’s not necessarily that they’re on tape, but perhaps they’re financially entangled. Perhaps the tapes were used. you know, at a time. And that’s I think the most disappointing thing about this. So my goal here was to give people the language they can use into as to why it validates your feelings as to why something is being covered up. And there’s a reason they don’t talk about this. Then they call you a conspiracy theorist. These are all facts. Everything that I’ve laid out here. Can I say one thing? That was awesome. Thank you. I don’t know what the nonsexual version of being turned on is, but that was awesome. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. That that that’s interesting. It’s almost like the blackmail ring, the sexual blackmail ring for the global elites is the conspiracy. Simply following the money outside of the child sex trafficking might be what incriminates the most people. Absolutely. Well, it’s almost like it benefits them for there to be focus on the child sex because they might not be tied to it or to talk or to talk in stupid terms of like client list and it’s like guys, they’re all on the island. They’re on the island [ __ ] the girls. It’s like as long as the focus is on that. It will almost be a let down to find out, oh, actually, they didn’t have sex with any girls, but he was giving a Brock $2.3 million, whatever. And then the people go, “It’s only $2.3 million. What’s the big deal? we thought they were having sex. It It’s actually like to their benefit for the public to believe this blackmail, this sexual blackmail ring and then be quote unquote like let down by we we should hope that there are less people having sex with children. By the way, we all want that to not happen. But that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t continue to shine light on what’s going here and understanding his influence and why he was able to operate with impunity despite being a registered sex offender. That’s a thing that seems so peculiar and lends itself to conspiracy. Why was he able to behave in this manner? Why was he able to Why were the higher-ups of this bank able to thwart their responsibility to the SEC, to their investors? In two weeks, if I withdraw $9,900 in two weeks, the federal government’s knocking on my door. Like they JP Morgan is going to flag my account. I thought it had to be over 10 grand for them to do. No, but if you they it’s $9,900. They have a mandatory reporting, but if they have they have things in the bank, right to make sure that you’re not if it looks suspicious to do 9,900 two weeks, they’re like, “All right, he’s trying to violate uh trying to make sure that he doesn’t come under reporting. We’re going to the feds. We’re notifying the IRS.” The IRS, by the way, again, has all of this documentation. The bank’s not so stupid to be like, “Oh, it wasn’t$10,000,000.” They’re not dumbous. They have software literally Palunteer. That’s what they use Palunteer for to to automatically flag all of these suspicious suspicious activities. My point is only that all of this exists and you as Americans, you guys need the language to be able to know what to ask for. I was telling Mark earlier, one of the reasons why it took so long to get Cointtel Pro and MK Ultra is that it took people breaking into a warehouse to learn about the specific code words so that they could then foyer and ask to investigate. Wow. without without knowing what to ask for, you don’t know what to ask for. It’s an unknown unknown in the words of Donald Rumsfeld. Like it’s one of those things where you can’t even begin to go down the rabbit hole if you don’t even know where to start. This is interesting. Yeah. And this is why and by the way again there are very very powerful people right now today who are trying to make sure you don’t look at this. Uh you have the prime minister of is foreign prime minister of Israel Neft Tali Bennett. He never worked for Mossad. There’s an entire influencer set right now. Mark Leavvin. Now, it includes the president of the United States, all of these like kind of Zionist influencers who are calling you an anti-semite because they say that there’s no evidence and they define the terms to be like he worked for Mosad. I’m not saying that he directly was an employee for Mosad. He was run from the very beginning. I’m saying that he has shows all of the hallmarks to use a infamous phrase of being some sort of an asset working with these various intelligence agencies. And I think that that stuff is so dirty that they just don’t want to get into it. And this is where Trump, I mean, we have to be honest. We have to call it out. You ran on this. I have the evidence here that we can go through of like what they said in 2023 and what they say today. Plus the seven congressmen that voted against Roan’s amendment. I know. Like as All right, guys. Let’s take a where, you know, I was doing what I thought we’re supposed to do, which is like hold our elected officials accountable for the promises that that they say they will make. I didn’t realize that. Now I know better that you’re not. You’re just supposed to let them do whatever the [ __ ] they want despite them promising. As long as they’re consistent. Yeah. You just have to be consistent. But uh but but yeah, like to that to that note, like I’ve thought about this a lot. I actually think that like when the person you voted for is in power, that’s when you have to be the loudest. You’re exactly right. Thank you for saying that. Because that’s the only opportunity for you to get the things that they promised enacted. When someone that you did not vote for is in power, there’s nothing you can do cuz they’re not going to do the things you asked for anyway. So you should be stomping the pavement. You should be clamoring. And when they’re not doing the things, you should be going, “Hey, this is not what I voted for. This is the thing you want. This is the thing. These are against everything that you said. Not everything.” But otherwise, you’re in a cult. You’re in a cult. Because everybody’s like, “Trust the plan.” No, I actually don’t trust the plan. Like during the hate that 40 chess [ __ ] I hate to trust the process. How about I trust what the [ __ ] you said you were going to do and how about you do it? Thank you. I mean, again, this is important. Everybody is always like, “Oh, there’s a split in the MAGA base.” I actually think MAGA by and large will always kind of support Trump. But that I’m going to define the terms narrowly and this is kind of where who we’re all speaking to. The people we’re speaking to are not like MAGA maybe some of them. A lot of them are disaffected. They’re men. They’re people who are tangentially interested in politics. And the reason why the Epstein story was important to them is it confirmed basically the way that they thought about the international elite. And they saw Trump and Cash Patel and Dan Bonino as those who would work to like usurp that power. do it to justice. Exactly. And for them to watch that betrayal now that’s happening is one that only confirms the way that the system basically works. And it it causes very uncomfortable questions here. I was saying this I was saying this uh yesterday, but it’s like if I wanted to vote for for somebody that was going to keep the Epstein files under wrap, that was going to extend the foreign roads and there was wars that was going to increase the budget, I would have voted for Kamla. Yeah, that’s right. And I and and by the way by the way probably would have done it more competently. I’ll say I’ll just say it like way more it would have been very easy and we wouldn’t have had to live through this last 6 months of like whatever [ __ ] is happening in the current day. I mean yeah look I mean literally today there is Joey you want to go and pull this up you can go on my Twitter feed. Donald Trump is sending $10 billion of new offensive weapons to Ukraine. Not only that, by the way, it’s actually came out from the Financial Times that he reportedly told Zalinski, the Ukrainians leaked this part of the phone call. I who knows if they’re telling the truth, but the Trump administration has not denied it. Is Donald Trump asked Zalinski if Ukraine could hit Moscow and actually asked them, “Hey, Zalinsky, Vladimir,” he said, “Do you have what you need to be able to hit Moscow, to hit St. Petersburg?” These are the World War II fears that I You guys know, the last time I’m here, we spent an hour on Ukraine. You can disagree with me if you’d like. He said he wasn’t going to do that. So, here’s the thing, and this is where I have like a little bit I give him a little bit of wiggle room, and maybe it was just hubris. I think Trump actually thought that he was going to walk in. I think Trump actually thought that the only reason there wars is because of lobbyists uh in lobbyists in government basically going, “Hey, we need to sell more military weapons. Let’s have some wars around.” So, he’s like, “Once I get in, I’ll just call up Vlad.” And I’ll be like, “Yo, Vlad president once, man.” He So, he knows the game. Okay, fair enough. And that’s and that’s very fair. And then then that could be my naive and I’ll be held accountable for that. Right. And I’m I guess I’m like hoping best case scenario cuz at the end of the day I don’t care what [ __ ] side you’re on. You don’t want to see hundreds of thousands of people get murdered. Yeah, that’s right. You do for profit. Yeah. You do not want to see hundreds of thousands of people get murdered for profit. So you can say I told you so. You can do all this other [ __ ] but at the end of the day, you just have to ask yourself, do you want to see hundreds of thousands of human beings get killed for profit and millions? Actually, now millions. Millions. I personally don’t. I don’t. I personally don’t. So, what I’m going to do is if there’s somebody that says, “I aim to stop the foreign wars and there’s another person that says, “Well, we got to do what’s right to keep on fighting.” All I hear is less people dead, more people dead. If you can sleep at night voting for the person that says more people dead over the person that says less people dead. That’s fine. I can’t. Yeah, that’s not for me. For me, same. That’s not for me. I see what the [ __ ] Gaza looks like and I’m like, I want that to stop. I see what the [ __ ] is happening in Ukraine and Russia and I want that to stop. So, I don’t feel, oh, you regret whatever. I don’t regret a [ __ ] second for voting for the guy who said that less people are going to die. Also, all the things about he lied. He’s a liar. I don’t know, man. He promised he’d overturn Rover versus Wade the first time and uh so I thought he could get [ __ ] done January 6 protesters. He was like, I’ll pardon all them. And yeah, he did. Yeah. It’s just important also to say what promises are being kept, what are not. All right. So, immigration, I actually say he’s kept a lot of his promises, unfortunately. Uh but but we’ll we’ll argue about this later uh whenever we record for my show. But my point around here is let’s look specifically Epstein the Epstein memo is released when the day before Benjamin Netanyahu visits the United States of America for the third time in 6 months July president of the United States. We have Benjamin Netanyahu who by Trump’s own account attacked Iran by the US greenlight where US diplomacy was used as a ruse in order for the Israelis to conduct a military operation. We have United States military assets that were used to bomb Iran which is I mean got to be one of the like again like you said you had a presidential campaign where yes Trump would always say we cannot let Iran have a nuclear bomb and I know this and maybe I was too close to it. I knew many of the people involved like in the actual decision-m and I know that they have ridiculed people who have quote wanted to bomb Iran for years. So then to watch that all just flip around and now President Trump is the greatest dealmaker and strength artist of all time when you would have ridiculed this level of logic long before and we have all of this reporting that actually it’s like actually the nuclear program really wasn’t destroyed and the reason that you could look at that is that the Israelis are leaking it right you know Joe if you want to pull that up. Israel intelligence says Iran nuclear facility not destroyed. This is from the New York Times a couple of days ago. Oh my god. And so look like so now there’s a reason to continue. Now we got to continue, right? And it’s like, oh, but I was told that the 12-day war was the only time it was ever going to happen. Well, you guys, do you guys want to do some history? All right. So in 1981, Israel took out the Iraq Iraqi nuclear reactor. They bombed it and they said, “We have solved the Iraqi nuclear program question for all time.” What did we end up invading Iraq for, Mark? For WMDs, right? And what actually happened as a result of that is that the nuclear program was driven underground. And Saddam actually was more convinced than ever that he needed to acquire nuclear weapons to the point where he almost tried to create an image where he was having nukes which which caused the United States to invade him in 2003. In 2007, Israel did what? It struck the Syrian reactor and the nuclear program. And the decision point beyond that was, listen, it’s just about the nukes. It’s not about regime change. Does anyone want to tell me what happened to the Syrian regime? It was replaced by whom? Al-Qaeda. On behalf of whom? Israel. All right. Israel literally supported this Syrian jihadist government. And ironically, today they’re actually bombing them because now the al-Qaeda government is acting like al-Qaeda and persecuting is and persecuting religious Jews minorities in the country. And by the way, their justification, the Israelis for bombing them is that Syria has moved across the new border that Israel has declared for itself by seizing parts of Syria. Now we are supporting Ukraine for what? Because Russia invaded them. What is a seizure of territory as a result of a regime change operation in Syria? What is is that a violation of norms? for me and not for me. The rules-based international order in the way that a civilized nation would conduct itself, a western nation. I think that I think the concern here is is is really like if you are an autonomous nation, you got to handle your candle. So if you want to do all this stuff in the Middle East, that’s on you. Yeah, but you bear the consequences. And exactly. It seems it seems like we bear the consequences. And I think that’s where the I think that’s like an important fraction right here. If Israel’s like, “All right, we’re going to go about it alone and this is what we think is the best for our safety.” It’s like, okay, well, you go do that. The problem is every time they’re about to go about it alone, they say, “We’ll go about it alone.” I think we get a phone call a few hours later and it seems like we go back it up. And you can really do whatever you want in the world with impunity if America has your back no matter what. And I think that’s the kind of imbalance of power right there. And it definitely feels like there’s an imbalance in terms of the relationship, in terms of what we’re offering each other. And now we’re in a circumstance where like the war, you know, against Hamas has gone two years. And you look at and Americans are starting to go like what this it’s really kind of destroyed. I feel like you you did it kind of like destroyed. Yeah, it’s destroyed. And then there’s all these people that I think Americans are starting to be like, okay, so we’re paying for this. I can’t buy a an apartment. I can’t buy a house. I got $300,000 worth of school loans, but we’re still selling billions of dollars over here. And you can’t begrudge Americans for starting to feel like there’s an imbalance in this relationship. Not even begrudge. I mean I mean honestly America like it’s been this way for years. I think I think but I think the important thing to understand is like it’s not saying that an independent country can’t go do what it needs for its salvation. You just have to bear the consequences for those actions. And I think Americans are starting to feel like we bear the consequences at least financially right now. And if we end up in some sort of ground invasion in Iran, we will bear the con consequences. There’s no question what a nation of uh what I forget the population. They’re going to be able to invade a country of 90 million. By the way, yes, I do know the population of Iran. Thank you, Dr. Carlson. Uh, but you know, look, let’s really dwell on this. Like, yes, the what’s happening in Gaza is being funded by the United States of America. And, you know, there’s a large constituency here in America that says that’s necessary for Israel to take out terrorism, whatever the hell that means. Uh, apparently requires killing at the minimum of like 17,000 children. I personally don’t think civilized Western nations conduct themselves in that manner. I would, and everyone’s like, “Well, what would you do?” I was like, um, America has the, uh, template, guys. Look, I will not defend the US invasion of Iraq. Do you know how many thousands of American service members died and were wounded in missions to protect Iraqi civilians? That was on the ground. Boots on the ground where the American service members are maimed and were blown up to protect Iraqi civilians from an intra civil war. This is a really That is how you conduct a counterterrorism operation. I think the point that you’re making is really important, right? Is that in in an effort I imagine to save Israeli lives, which I do empathize with because I want to save American lives. What they’re doing is conducting war that would save the most Israeli lives but unfortunately kills the most Palestinian lives. That’s right. And what you’re innocent Palestinian life and then what you’re making the argument is in Iraq instead of us doing that which we could have absolutely just we had the greatest bomb. You know, we who do you think sell us all these bombs to Israel? Where’s it coming from? made a decision to do that boots on the ground which cost American lives which was deeply regrettable. I don’t want a single life but I think that is where we can put ourselves in a position of criticism for the way the war is being waged because we have been in that circumstance twice that’s a really good argument that is what war is you have to sacrifice there’s two types of war so this is the thing they said it’s to get rid of Hamas and in that way we are not at war with the Palestinian people we are at war with Hamas so how would you conduct that war that we have an entire 20 years of experience the United States milit military where what we do is we want to separate the terrorists from the civilian population. So we make sure that the civilians are protected. Soldiers are put in harm’s way in order to separate those two and to be able to kill. It requires a shitload of city combat. It’s brutal. It’s very difficult. It’s bloody. Ask the Navy Seals. Ask the Marines all the people who had to participate. But it was semisuccessful at least in 2009 in the surge. It reduced the amount of civilian casualties as a result of the s of the Iraqi civil war. But the other way to fight is when you’re at war with the population and you want complete and total destruction. That’s when you fight like the United States on Japan in 1945. And what’s more analogous to what were happening? So we can look at the intention. No, all I’m saying is a gosh. It’s the intention and the words matter and the intention is obvious that they are actually at war with the population themselves. Right. Not just Hamas terrorist. not just Hamas and I think that’s a very important point for people to digest to look at the conduct. That’s the piece that I agree with you that Americans feel like we’re bearing the brunt and all that. But also when we invade, we are usually told or when we aid a country in war, we are always told we are on the moral high ground with Ukraine. Russia is invading Ukraine. This country that cannot defend itself. That’s why we have to send. Now we’re looking and we’re seeing who we’re supporting and we don’t have a moral high ground. They don’t have a moral high ground and yet we keep supporting them. So I agree with you that we feel like why are we bearing the brunt of this and we don’t have jobs but also morally we don’t even have a high ground. So why are we supporting and we say Hamas has a high ground either with the way Israel is the way Israel is flattening Gaza. We don’t have a moral high ground with the way they are doing it. If there were boots on the ground and they’re losing civilians, okay, maybe. And Hamas is doing XYZ. This is why as America I actually think we should not talk about moral high ground. I know that’s every time like let’s let’s look at the history of US moral interventions. Serbia disaster Kosovo disaster 2003 goes without saying I mean I can go on forever like Libya Afghanistan I don’t think we do it with the moral high ground. I think the perception we are sold agree is more and now we’re just seeing talking about the story I actually that’s why when I argue with liberals I always tell them I go like guys I don’t think you’re doing anybody any good here using words like genocide or it’s not because I don’t disagree with you per se it’s just that when you couch for example when and I talked about this last time and the debate becomes about the definition humanitarianism and genocide and it’s like no we’re not talking about that we’re talking about America’s national interest is this good for us or not Mark and I were talking about that where it’s just like now there’s this debate on whether or not it’s genocide. It’s like whatever right below genocide is is really bad too. That’s right. Mark’s murder and Mark was like it’s like someone says like I’m not a pedophile. I just like 16-year-olds. Yeah, that’s right. It’s like it’s like a gelopile pedophile. That’s it. There’s one term. It’s just pedophile. It’s just Yeah, exactly. But my point beyond that is like look, let’s define things in terms of America’s national interest. What good are we getting from this? We’re bombing Iran. We had a terror. Do you guys remember the terror alerts in the mid200s? Do you guys remember that? Whenever the Iran thing happened, they literally sent out a terror alert across the whole country and they warned Americans living abroad to expect retaliatory attacks. That’s America, our country. We are being felt the pain here, right? Just a Qatari asset, of course. Yeah. But you know what’s funny? The Qatari government hates me because I lived in guitar. I went to high school there and I hated it so much that I’ve talked for years about the mistreatment disclosure. Just kind of invested disclosure. No, but I I I just say it like because it’s, you know, it’s it’s about being foreign some for foreign asset or whatever. Why can’t we all just be people talking in our own national interest and I think the reason that they throw out anti-semite and race whatever on all of this is specifically to shut down this conversation. And the best thing that’s ever happened is that we’re all here. We can just talk honestly. It’s really unfortunate because I think that it’s almost like a permission slip for anti-semitism in a way. There are a lot of real increased real anti-semitis, but it’s not even whether it’s increased or not. There like are a lot of real anti-semites out there. That’s true. And then when you throw the term around when you’re criticizing a sovereign nation, it gets lumped in with the people who actually do hate people because of their religion and ethnicity. And that’s the problem I have. Like I always say this all the time, like everybody thinks I’m Jewish, so I get all the anti-semitism. It exists. like you guys might not hear. I get it. I see it. So, it’s like it you can’t just throw that term around so flippantly because then nobody will take it. It’s the boy who cried wolf. Nobody will take it seriously when it actually does happen and it does happen and it is a real [ __ ] problem. And I’m very concerned about like Jews in America who are dealing with it and they’re concerned. So, it’s we got to be very specific like the green black guys throwing it around. He’s calling the pod save America guys anti-semite. Exactly. Yeah. Right. It’s crazy guys. I think they also dismissed Elon Salute as well. I think the ADL was like no. Yeah, that’s right. They actually did the ADL, which uh you know, look, I mean, we could argue about that all day long, but the ADL is basically an arm for Israel. And this gets to the problem that I have with this whole like anti-semitism industrial complex is they’ve conflated criticism of this foreign government with genuine anti-semitism, which is the worst thing that you could possibly do for anti-semitism itself because the term loses all meaning. And look at the look, Zoron, if we want to talk. I mean, you know, they they they blasted this guy, anti-semite. We’re in the most Jewish city. what in the world except for Tel Aviv, right? And he just won the Democratic primary and actually a lot of Jewish votes. That should tell you something, guys. That should show that these attacks don’t work. But the thing is, unfortunately, in Washington, they still work. It’s the worst possible thing that you could be called because of of the way, look, it’s ideology and it’s money and they’re mutually reinforcing. So, for example, I and I talked about this on Tucker. You were talk to me about it. I don’t get invited to all the things I used to get invited to. And that sounds really silly, but that’s the currency of the town. It’s fine. I just don’t care. I get to come here, right? They’re always asking me to connect with you. They’re like, “Hey, man. I think Congressman so and so should go on Andrew.” I’m like, “I guarantee you he doesn’t give a fuck.” You know, so I’m not giving his phone number. But that’s my point though, right? It’s like there’s a nice trade-off for me and I’ve chosen this. But my point is with them, the currency of the town is one that is entirely funded by Apac or pro-Zionist interests. And the thing is the way it’s so nefarious is it bleeds into everything is in people who are working at like a tax foundation to lobby for low taxes are being funded by people who are also very pro-Israel. So if employees there were to like let’s say make an Instagram post about Palestine, even though it has nothing to do with taxes, they would still be fired. They would be drumed out of the organization. And and guys, like these people don’t make a ton of money. Like the lower level upandcomers, like when I was in my early 20s, we made actually made zero money. So it’s not worth risk for them. Of course. I mean, listen, you got to eat. You want to advance, you want to be connected to get a fellowship, to do whatever, you have to fall in line. Even if you don’t even work on Israel or Palestine, even if it’s just a tangential thing and you’re like, “Eh, it’s kind of [ __ ] up.” This is what happened in this is what happened in Hollywood, not specifically with with Israel, Palestine. I actually don’t think at all with that. I think more with identity politics. Oh, absolutely. Exactly. I think that people were just really scared that if they had a serious opinion about anything that they would be like thrown out, they’d be, you know, and um and I think now that’s we’re moving away from that. Well, I think that’s why what you do is so courageous, man. I’m like somebody who’s got it actually like intertwined with like the I mean you can say it better than me but everything I’ve read like the studio system has got to be one of the biggest bottlenecks of pop culture in the world. Like it’s literally run a couple of agencies and like this like movie distributors and you’re [ __ ] in they still think he’s Jewish. He’s good. But that’s but this is why like it’s it’s always like annoying when like people say like oh you’re just doing this thing for Trump or Griffin. It’s like grifting. It’s like you don’t realize how the real grift is the other way. Yeah. I’m in entertainment. I’m not in politics. I’m not in a media company. I’m an entertainment. So like the idea of even having Trump on the pod and obviously we asked to have Kla and everybody else and none of them came. But like that costs us. Oh yeah. There’s not a financial doing a hostage video for Kamla. That’s you’re a griftering. Yes, I get it. 1,000%. Right. Like I get it. Doing those things for Kama. You would absolutely. And I think that people don’t realize that because I think they assume, you know, it’s, you know, politics better than anybody, it’s good versus evil. So, as long as you’re on the side of good, they don’t see it as grift. Oh, yeah. Right. So, that there there’s all these people that are griing off Trump. Absolutely happens. And then there’s people grifting against Trump. The never Trump thing is a grift as well. Look it up. But also look up the pedophilia stuff with the Lincoln Project. I’m just throwing that out there. People want to look into that. But now I want to look into it. But I guess what I’m saying is like the idea that like in order to in order to grift, you have to be like financially satisfied, I imagine, by that thing. And in the entertainment industry, the industry that we exist in, you’re putting yourself in harm’s way, dude. It’s it so I don’t even like for example, like just I mean, I had flat out the Netflix people saying, who [ __ ] knows, but like you know, I’m up for consideration or whatever for an Emmy for life. And I just had people tell me straight up, they’re like, “Listen, dude. Like, yeah, drop on the pod. Like, there’s no way that they’re going to give you.” And it’s it is the best hour comedy that was put out. It should win. It just is. You know what I mean? Like, no respect to anybody’s there, but it’s not as good, right? And it’s But the So, and if you want to judge it by any metric, you want to judge it by views, it has more views. If you want to judge it by like impact, you want to judge it by in my personal opinion, obviously. But like that’s the cost of it. So, I think that’s the frustrating thing I would imagine for all of us when we’re like, “No, no, we’re actually curious about talking to these people and having these conversations and we understand the cost of doing it and we’re willing to take on that cost.” There is no risk when you’re the anti-Trump grift and you just do all these things. You virtue signal. You say, “I told you so to” to us for criticizing Trump. It’s like, if you actually cared, you would be worried about the midterms and worried about the elections. And you would see people that were disillusioned by Trump not living up to his promises. if you actually cared and you’d be like, “Hey, here’s an opportunity to bring people into a coalition and in a democracy gain more votes and potentially win.” Yeah, but you’re presuming that they care about those. That’s my point. They don’t care about care. They want clicks and views. They’re the exact thing that they’re accusing us, but they are so caught up in their own hubris that they don’t realize it. And you sit back here and you rely and I watch it and I kind of just laugh at it. But people take it serious. M they look at these people and they I think it just makes them feel good in the moment and they can’t disassociate that to like what might be better for the country. Yeah, absolutely. And look, I mean something I’ve always appreciated about this pod is like we just talk, right? And we can talk to anybody and I mean I’ve known you long enough to know when you were a Bernie guy, right? And I always tell people Yeah, I know that. And that’s why people were so shocked to see you come around and I was like guys, you just don’t know Andrew, right? But it’s one of those things where because I’ve been able to get to know all of you and you know the whole comedy scene or whatever when people ask about podcast bros and MAGA I actually think it’s you’re very representative of the audience in your turn against people who it seems were like fighting for the system and to the extent that there was an appeal of Trump and that’s why it explains for somebody who could vote for Trump and also be like yeah mom Donnie seems America first to me and it’s because the horseshoe I said New York first by the way New York first but okay but the point conflated a But the the horseshoe there is about talking about the country or the city that we’re living in as opposed to these more establishment interests that you were elected to fight against in the in Trump’s case. But that’s the appeal. And I somebody was like, “Oh, you speak to MAGA, right?” And I was like, “No, I I actually don’t.” I was like, “To the extent I have any authority, it’s with 18 to 35 year olds who are interested in politics, the vast majority of whom are pretty bipartisan. A lot voted for Trump. Yeah. But like those people are actually very independent. They do go along with trends and other things and they most important thing is they both think for themselves. They’re not in a cult. And they are not in a cult. Exactly. Everybody’s cap. Not everybody. There’s a there are very loud people that are captured by the cults. And the cults are rewarded online with the algorithms. Yes. There’s the views and there’s the clicks and there’s the pats on the back and there’s the yes queens in the comments, but in reality it’s not representative of actual people. So when the actual people see people having common sense conversations, which I hope that we have on this podcast, you know, we I mean today, right now, we had the pod save guys on the pod. You know what I mean? And like what’s so interesting is like their criticism was the exact same thing when I was saying they immediately were like this reaction that I told you so is like typical [ __ ] liberal dumb [ __ ] where it’s just like we have an opportunity to use this frustration to win, but these people don’t care about winning. So they’re acknowledging the grift as well. And these are the most liberal guys you can imagine. Well, you know why that they say that? Because they actually won an election. They know how to win a [ __ ] election. Barack Obama like Barack Obama. I mean, do you guys remember the state of Ohio? He won that state. He won Indiana. That’s insane. And and MAGA does so well bringing people in. Like you’ve seen people go to the protests like where they pretend to fake protest on the other side. So like liberals will go to the MAGA side and then all the MAGA people are like, “Yeah, come over.” Yeah. They’re like, “Hey, come on in.” Right. But my point actually is the way that that was sold. But now that people like you are beginning to speak out, people like me and others, oh, it’s like you are fake or you know, you’re not trusting the plan enough. And it’s like I would argue that the least patriotic thing you could do is actually trust the government. I would actually argue also in the case of when you support a political movement is that the least impactful thing you could do is trust the plan. Because the people who don’t trust the plan, they get [ __ ] done. You think Israel trusted the plan when we were trying to do diplomacy? They were like, “No, we’re [ __ ] bombing Iran.” Okay, they’re coming in with us. Yeah, exactly. They always went. And and that’s the thing, and I promise you, I don’t promise you, but I would imagine in the next week or two, we will get some disclosure about the Epstein files that we were not going to get. Right. And the reason we got that is because there are people speaking out. There’s a reason why the White House responded to us. Yeah. Right. That people are speaking out. That’s not just us, but it’s a lot of people speaking out about our frustrations. And whether you like this or not, the White House, the current administration is very transactional. If they feel that people are becoming disillusioned, they acknowledge it immediately. So, if you do not voice these things, you do not get what the [ __ ] you want. It’s it’s it’s like, and what do you actually want at the end of the day? What do you want? Do you want to feel good in the moment? Do you want to get your little clicks and views, make your little face to camera videos, or do you want to actually have some form of justice for a thousand girls that were victimized? According to the government, according to our US attorney, a thousand that were victimized, what do you actually want? Cuz I’m glad you feel good with your pat on the back. To me, it’d be pretty good to know if a thousand girls gets a little bit of justice. That’d be that would make me feel pretty good. Yeah, it should. So, before we leave, can I ask what is Trump’s game with the Epstein files? Why would he while he’s president get you know Epstein is arrested killed dies and then runs on releasing the files does the fake sort of kangaroo release and then now says that he was not working with any other conspirators. There’s only two possible theories which I was not that open to this one which was that Trump is implicated in until the more recent statements. Why are my boys and gals like paying attention to all this? you guys all need to move on. Or on camera where he’s like, “Are you really still asking about Jeffrey Epstein?” By the way, the day after he put out that truth social, he was tweeting about revoking Rosie O’Donnell’s citizenship. So, it’s No, I mean, it’s funny, but he’s like, “You guys are focused on Epstein where there’s all this other stuff happening.” It’s like, bro, you’re literally tweeting about Rosie O’Donnell’s getting denaturalized as a citizen. But that’s one theory is that look, I mean, I I read you guys the quote. He likes him young. He he said that in 2002. He said it. So we knew something years. We’re six months in. Yeah. How do you feel? What’s the job that Oh, no. Sorry. I need to give the second. That was the first theory, which I had did not give credence to. Also, Tucker made a good point. He’s like, wouldn’t have the Biden administration released it? I was like, well, I thought that they would have, but listen, what if they wanted to correct Bill Clinton or you can’t release one, right? And you have to release it all because what would the Biden administration do? They’ve released one person, Trump, and then nobody else. That would make a lot of sense. And then we’d be like, according to Trump, they created the files on them, right? Obama created and Hillary made the files about Clinton. The second is that it would be devastating to our relationship with Israel or it was at a request of Israel or it would be devastating to our relationship if the CIA is that to be exposed. I mean, for example, everybody knows the CIA killed Kennedy. Why has the CIA fought the release of these documents for 60 years? Maybe they did. We just we’re just as that is Oh, sorry. Okay. Uh I think Okay. Again, let me be more precise in my language. I think that they were aware of and participated at least in some form in the plot that killed Kennedy. I’ll put more respons at the very least involved in the plot and of course in the cover up. That’s like actually not a question. So why did they do that? because they knew that it would break the American public’s irrevocable trust in the way that they conduct business and that’s why they fought for years to make sure that it didn’t happen or that to release the documents. I think it’s the same here in this case is like look what we have is so bad to you know to the CIA to the FBI to Mossad to Saudi to wh all these governments and to the Israeli prime ministers and others that it would just be so revoly of the way that we conduct business. it would be make it impossible for us to continue business as usual and sir business as usual is so important that we just have to release all of this stuff and that’s how the pressure comes down on cash Patel on Dan Bonino on the attorney general and yeah I mean it leads to them saying cash literally said in 2023 the Epstein files are under the direct control of the FBI director he became the FBI director and now he’s like it was all a conspiracy theory the entire he literally said that the conspiracy theories were never true the conspiracy theories you invented, man. So, you were either lying then or you’re lying now. Bonino, I mean, I have I have the clips that people can play if they want to of the stuff that we can never let up on this story. We can never let go. Attorney General Pam Bondi from the White House lawn, which means to mean used to mean something. I have the client list on my desk. There are thousands of victims. They’re all the files. We’re ready to release them. And then, you know, Akos, I think you said this. You were like, either it was all a lie or you exploited the of thousands of children to get elected. Yeah, that’s pretty [ __ ] up if you So there’s no good answer here. Personally, I lean to the latter. I think it’s an intelligence thing and perhaps as a crossover with uh with Trump himself. I which I did not believe until when you say intelligence thing and this seems more realistic to me. Not that the intelligence has devised this blackmail scheme to him as as I laid out for the multiple hours, but he was potentially an asset to multiple intelligence agencies and they looked the other way at his sexual uh deviant behavior so that and then started to cover it up with the non-prosecution agreement. Exactly. And that’s that’s the complicity. That’s the smoking gun. And that’s why it still remains. I mean, look, even the Justice Department admitted that was a bad deal. and we never should have done it. And you know what the irony is? It’s the Justice Department themselves, Maine Justice, the Washington DC bill. They’re the ones who told Acasta to do the nonprosecution agreement. But then they turn around and they blame Acasta. And so you need it come Yeah, that’s I almost feel bad for the guy, you know, in in a way cuz he pro it looks like he was just doing what he was told and he probably wanted to continue the investigation. I mean, I don’t know. I mean, he still signed it. Yeah, I agree. He was complicit and he lived with it and he got rewarded for it. He was the labor secretary for No, for a while. 2017 to 2019. He reigned for over two years and then they got and then well yeah and then he was the psy. They were like hey you got to go somebody’s got to go down for this and he resigned. I think he’s you know very rich and probably works in finance or whatever now. But my point is just that it go like it goes up high and unfortunately like we don’t even really know how high and what’s left to be released is still just an immense amount of documentation which no we don’t have a right to have it like a theoretical right but we almost have like a like a promise here from the campaign from the president that they would release everything they would declassify everything and they have immediately turned their back on that I got I got to use where six months give me your uh grade on Trump, the good, the bad, what’s his report, Carrie? Well, uh you know, I’m actually not important in this. Just like let’s look at the issues like for things that I think he was elected on. I think he was elected on two issue, three primarily. Number one is the economy because inflation was high. Inflation report came out today. It’s actually increased 2.7% since June. Uh a lot of that is in my opinion because of the incompetent way that they’ve rolled out the tariffs. It actually makes me really upset. I’m really pro tariff, but the idea of tariffs, strategic tariffs, I think the way that this has been done has been frankly a disaster. The only reason that it didn’t crash the economy is because he rolled them all back and said, “We’re going to do a 90-day pause or whatever.” But creating chaos in people’s lives and [ __ ] with people’s businesses is terrible. Uh Mark and I are new parents. Do you remember the, you know, the stroller problem about how over 90% of strollers and car seats come from China? Well, you know, the up baby stroller that like everyone in New York has, that went up by hundreds of dollars as a result of the tariffs. Sorry, I think that’s wrong. I think the car seats have become more expensive. It’s like you were elected to make life better for people. That’s a pretty material way actually that Trump directly impacted me and all other new parents here in the United States. So that’s where something I think creating that chaos economically has been a problem on the bill. Uh it’s the bill philosophically to me I just think really comes away from a lot of the Trump promise. And I think I think I heard you talking about the bill. I mean let’s just look at the math, right? like they are like, “Oh, well, we’re going to cut spending.” And it’s like, “Well, okay, but you increase the defense budget by $150 billion, right? By the way, Doge never looked at the DoD. What happened there?” You know, like where where are you Doge? Why did we fire like somebody in the National Weather Service and not someone in the Pentagon who can’t pass an audit for 5 years in a row? And so, you know, these are this is talk and it was cheap in my opinion. Like, they increase the defense budget and instead, you know, they put work requirements in Medicaid and in food stamps. I’m not necessarily against work requirements per se, but really what bothered me was the way they were increasing the dollar shift to the states. This is really wonky. I apologize to everyone, but the end result is that more people could probably lose healthcare andor food stamps. Again, we can have a conversation about welfare and food stamps and and all of that, but it was the priority of increasing the defense budget, of extending the tax cuts, which are pretty overwhelmingly good for the top people overseas. Exactly. So helping people overseas and you got people who are at least precarious, you know, in terms of that. So I think that the bill was a big miss in my opinion on the simple promise of make America great again. It seems life for most Americans is not as as I think that the fundamentals still remain the same. And that’s the problem is I don’t see a concrete way to fix that. So yesterday a report came out from the National Association of Realtors that the average home first-time home buyer in the United States is now 38 years old. He used to be 27. And look, Trump can’t just wave a magic wand and fix that. To the extent that he can do anything, it’s to fire the Fed chair. And I guess, you know, let’s give him credit. He’s trying to uh but my point is just that the GOP as a whole and that bill did not seem laser focused, you know, on those problems. So, I would say I don’t think it’s gone very well. Then, you know, on immigration, I mean, look, it’s controversial. I wait for Andrew. Uh I would say of all the things that he quote promised to do, that’s the one where he really has, you know, I I think he’s delivered. Uh the problem in my opinion is like the way the administration decides to conduct itself is kind of like an Iraq like shock and awe approach where you come in with these big operations. Now I will explain the logic. The logic is because there’s 30 million people here probably who are illegal. Uh deporting them all even with billions of dollars is like probably impossible. So you want to stage these like large scale things to get people to self-epport. And then about a million people or so according to the administration has left. We don’t have a way of checking those numbers, which is why it’s kind of difficult. But I would put it all together and I would say that the story to me is just chaos. It’s like one that flips back and forth. We have Doge, which is in power, Elon’s the co-president, then he leaves, right? And now he’s, you know, talking about Epcene files and the America Party, and then we bomb Iran very shortly afterwards. We said we weren’t going to do that. And then we had the tariff brewhaha like in between. It doesn’t feel as if there’s like a steady hand on the wheel chaotically. I mean, and I would apply that to immigration as well. The biggest criticism Americans have right now about the immigration policy is not even necessarily deportation. It’s the chaotic way that they feel it’s being handled. And if you think about it, it makes a lot of sense. Like, why were people so mad at Biden over the border? Because of the chaos at the border. And let’s give Trump credit, he did fix that. There’s zero illegal crossings. Fine. But the point is now they look at the raids themselves and the way they’re conducted and kind of um like blown up by the White House as chaotic, right? And I think that when you put that together with the way that the tariff policy, the immigration policy, and even the war policy, I mean, we were negotiating with Iran and then we weren’t negotiating with Iran. We bered Zalinsky in the Oval Office and told him we didn’t have the cards and we’re giving him more weapons. It doesn’t make any [ __ ] sense. And then the epsa and kind of incompetence and I can see why a lot of people are moving against it. So that’s like myomet what grade would you give a that sounds all bet me personally? Yeah I mean I would go issue by issue. So like on foreign policy I genuin terms of Ukraine and on Israel. on immigration, considering what he ran on, I would probably give him like a B+ just because on the merits, I think he actually is doing almost every single thing that he said he would do. Um, if anything, I would say uh my criticism, I mean, I should be open about it. I’m very pro mass deportation, but my criticism of it is that it seems like in many cases they went more for the show as opposed to like the policy. And I think that’s the problem. That’s like my personal criticism. A lot of people and also what the reason I will not give it an A is because a huge portion of the immigration machine was used to go after these like pro Palestine students for speaking out against Israel. I’m like yo [ __ ] that. Sorry. Okay. That’s like a total not only a free speech concern, it’s like why are you using the resources of my government to deport critics of another country? What people who are here legally? Like this is the least of our problems. All right. But let’s put that you know to the side. So on the economy Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, this isn’t me speaking. Like, people know I’m like I’m pretty out of step with like the the trickle down GOP, but like I don’t know. I think the big beautiful bill was a it was a disaster. Like only not only in terms of its unpopularity, but it didn’t, you know, invest in all the things. It didn’t invest in making America better like as a country. There’s no massive expansion of manufacturing tax credits. There’s no like ability to compete and deal with China. It was really just kind of like a personal tax extension for the rich, more corporate tax extension for business as usual. That just I I think business as usual is what he was elected to like go against. So for me, it’s like a C. So here you can average all that together. I don’t know what that has. Here’s my question. F A plus C. Yeah. So where does the Conservative party go from here? We we asked and to after the election, where does a liberal where does the Democratic party go? The Conservative party, what are y’all going to do now? Well, what do you mean conservative party? Like the Republican party. The conserv the Republican party. Those are two very different things. Republican party. Where do they go from here? What’s the difference? Uh, conservative is an ideology. Republican is a party. So the conservative So to be conservative is it’s big. Yeah. I thought that’s more of a meta conservative or in many cases MAGA is not conservative. Actually, most MAGA voters are on or on Medicaid and they don’t want it to be cut. So they don’t care about entitlement spending. That’s a non-conservative position, right? But it’s conservative to cut government spending. So those are kind of a direct uh tension. You know, we could I could talk forever about this. It’s a it’s a very intra Washington kind of conversation like what it means to be conservative and kind of what it means to be a Republican. And Trump, in my opinion, the reason why he was able to succeed is cuz he wasn’t conservative. And he even said that. He said, “I’m not a conservative.” whenever he was running in the 2016 primary, he is originally, at least to me, was more what I would call a rightist, like more somebody like the European right, a culture warrior who kind of accepts the legitimacy of the social welfare state and has more populist policies, but that’s not conservative, right? That’s it’s very very different. I know this isn’t semantics, but like it’s important to like analyze like what we mean. So, what happens to I think what you’re trying to say is the Republican Republican party. Yeah. The Republican party. I mean, look, they still have a lot of choices. You got three and a half more years to go. Like, that’s a long ass time. Like, who know? All of this could be ancient news. I don’t think so. I think in general, if you look at the history of presidencies, you’re basically baked by 100 days. They wasted their whole 100 days on Doge in my opinion, which was a disaster. Uh, at this point, I think we could fairly say. And then they did the tax cut or the tax bill, which exploded the deficit, increased defense spending by 150 billion. Yeah. the next 100, you know, then they did Israel, the Iran thing, now they’re doing Ukraine. Who knows what’s going to happen with that. I skipped over the tariffs, which I talked earlier, which were bad for the public and have not been handled competently really at all. So for them, I mean, the their problem is is that they’re in a cult of personality. Like they’re locked into Trump himself as an action. And the biggest problem for them is when John McCain lost, he was like, “Okay, it’s your you guys do what you want.” When Bush left, he was like, “I’m out, right? They they [ __ ] off.” Which And with Trump, like, do you guys ever see him not trying to guide the Republican party? He would never allow a postmorte when Romney lost, right? The entire Republican party had to have a conversation. Who are we? What do we stand for? And the conclusion was not that [ __ ] not Romney, right? That’s not going to stand in with the Trump party, right? So I think that you know they have a lot of issues like structurally for where they want to go. In my opinion they won the popular vote for the first time in 2004 since 2004 for Republican. They flipped all kinds of crazy states because of the economy and really because of immigration. And if they don’t find a way to flip their numbers on both of those and especially if the American way of life does not get materially better at a structural level, I think they’re going to lose. And I think they deserve to lose if that’s what happens. If that if that age for a first-time home buyer goes from 38 from today to like 42 and if the home prices continue to go up and the supply continues to go down, if we don’t if we see wages stagnant, if we don’t see like real material changes to the way people live, I just think yeah, I think that the Republicans will lose and we always live in a change election. Um I I don’t want to divert from this too much. I know that we probably got to wrap up soon cuz we got to do something for free. Yes. So, just real quick, obviously, you know, we’re in New York City right now, greatest city in the world, and there’s an interesting uh mayor election coming up. What are your thoughts on uh the cultural circumstances that have happened that have propelled Mom Donnie to superstardom and a primary victory? Mom Donnie is a is a is there’s this phrase from back in the day, and it’s a vindicating phrase to me. It was all politics is local. That was what they used to say back in the day. In 2010, that actually Republican areas and they just got blown out even though they’d lived there for 20 years because they’re like, “He supports Obama.” And the Republicans were like, “Oh, I can’t deal with that. You know, he supports Obama.” Mandani was a return, right? Because what his opponents did is they made their entire campaign against him about Israel and he’s like, “No, guys. I’m talking about New York City. I’m talking about the halal carts. I’m talking about rent is too damn high. And what I really love about that is it subverts all of this like national political rhetoric DEI style language and it re it brings us back to what are you going to do about New York, dude? Which is what people need when they’re suffering. That’s what people need. Exactly. And that this city, you know, people have made a lot about like, oh, mommy won the rich people making 100 grand. I’m like, bro, New York 100 grand, you’re like a rent poor. You know what I’m saying? like dude you’re like rent you’re poor as [ __ ] actually like like on a like a guy legitimately eligible for the housing line no like act like like guys making 50k in Iowa are way richer than who are making 100 like post tax post state local federal 100k in New York like I’m like you’re not yeah it’s like bro you got multiple roommates okay you’re like living in a three bed if you’re like 25 in I don’t know the east alphabet city or something like that so let’s recalibrate for New York expectations My favorite videos that he would do is like the halal car video. You know, hey guys, like halal’s too expensive. Let’s make it eight bucks again. I loved whenever he walked across Manhattan. And And the thing is what he was able to do, he’d be like, “No, you’re obsessed about Israel. You guys are the I’m I’m not spending all my time talking about this. I would stay here in New York and here are all my policies to try and to change that.” Fantastic. And if you’ve lived under Bloomberg, I mean, my criticism of this city is that they unfortunately kind of turned it into a playground of the rich as opposed to a place that people lived. You know, the when the stuff I would read about the 1980s in New York, I’m not saying it didn’t exist. It’s always been a playground for the rich. It definitely has, but it has become the capital of the global financial elite for a certain, you know, I mean, when I walk around here, though. Yeah. But I mean, I don’t know. I mean, when you walked around, you barely even hear English on the streets here in the summer, right? half these people, they’re from [ __ ] Dubai, Saudi Arabia, Germany, like all over the world. Like I don’t know about that, but I I think you’re describing London, but there’s that too. But but in terms of I think the the difference now is that like everybody always came here for opportunity, right? It didn’t matter if you’re an immigrant, you came here for opportunity. If you’re from America and you moved here from like Wisconsin or Maine, you came here from opportunity. You think you’re going to work at a big fund, you think you’re going to be a graphic designer, you think you’re going to be a fashion designer, something, it’s always opportunity. And I think that what’s happening now is that uh kids or Gen Z feels like the only way to make it now is through Tik Tok. Yeah. And I don’t begrudge them because when we were coming up, at least in entertainment, there was like Comedy Central and TV. There are these things that you could get on that made it feel accessible. And even if it wasn’t accessible for you, there was this idea that like next year they’re going to do an audition and maybe I’ll get that, right? this idea of like getting on SNL, all these different things were possible. And one of the nice things about the, you know, decentralization of of entertainment and making it go on the internet is that it gave freedom for people like us who wanted to go after it and make it ourselves. The problem is not everybody wants to go after and make it themselves. They want institutions and structures that are established that they can hope to get accepted by and put on. And now that those have fallen apart, and that’s just in entertainment, now I think people are like, “So, I just got to go viral on TikTok.” And it’s just like I love that cuz I love the idea of like I’m in control of my destiny. Not everybody loves that. And I think even the illusion of opportunity is better than luck for people. And I think they’re seeing that in not just entertainment, but you’re probably seeing that in other cigars as well. And to go back to what you’re saying about like you make $100,000 a year, but you have $300,000 worth of debt. Yeah. I think that’s why the rent freeze is so enticing to people because if you’re spending $1,700 a month, let’s say, on your uh student loans, and that’s just the interest. You’re not even chipping away at them. That’s your savings. So, if you again take your rent from $5,000 a month and you take it down to $3,300, now you have your savings again. And I think in a way the program is kind of like punishing landlords for universities charging exorbitant prices. Yeah, that’s right. So you’re just passing the buck to someone else and it’s like landlord is a bad person of course cuz they own this property and there are shitty landlords. I get it. But like I think the core of the issue is the fact that these kids are saddled with this debt with these degrees that offer them nothing in a city like New York and they’re paralyzed with this fear that there is no opportunity for upper mobility. That’s very well said and what you’re getting to and we’ll wrap here is like a structural issue which is that America and our gener I’m younger millennial like I’m 33 and when I was coming up it was you go to college and you will be rewarded and now I’m actually at the age where I get to look back at who made it and who didn’t. And I’m telling you guys, my friends with the most debt, they didn’t make it. It’s [ __ ] up. And that you watch the choices that people have to make. We’re going to delay having a kid. That breaks my heart, man. We’re going to have to move wherever. Even though we want to live here, we have to go move somewhere else cuz we can’t afford it. Even though this is the best place to make money, right? This is the best place for my career. We I can’t have it all. I have to make serious choices. You can’t take the risks necessary for success. It’s almost impossible to become successful without taking on immense risk. Quite literally, when I started my business, I had $50,000 in credit card debt. I would have been [ __ ] if Breaking Points didn’t work. But, you know, I mean, I was like, you know, I’m young. I called you before. I was like, I was like, I think I think it’ll work. You know, I was like, I think so. And but, you know, we would have been actually hoped. But imagine somebody with $300,000 in debt. They’re not doing that. They have they have a job that actually pays for things and they go I can’t risk leaving this or wife and kids. I mean I mean wife and kids is like I think that’s such a like stratospheric in terms of for people. Exactly. So I Yeah, I think that that like contributes to the support from Dani and specifically the demographic that seems to be really excited about what he’s going to bring. And but to me there’s a little bit of this passing the buck. It’s like okay we have this thing we can’t move which are these loans. So, we got to move it to another area to free up some economic mobility for these people. And I get and if you’re one of those people that’s sad with that debt, like you don’t give a [ __ ] who got to pay for it. Like, as long as it’s not you. So, I get that they’re offering a solution that maybe in the long term will hurt people. And I want to talk to him about it cuz I want to see like how we grapple with that. Like, he’s got to come on the show. No, I I’ve been talking No, I’ve been talking about them. I’ve been talking to So, it looks like that’s going to happen. So, cuz I genuinely want to ask earnestly like what are the downstream effects of some of these policies policies? How does that work? But there is no question that they are enticing. And it’s not to the poor. People think that, oh, the poor love the socialist. No, no, no, no. It’s the middle class that are entitled in their brains to a better life that they’re not having that. This is so enticing. They’re like, “Wait, why am I same economic bracket as my parents? I was supposed to be richer than them lower than or lower.” Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There is no in my opinion. You’re materially much poorer than your parents. You’re way materially poorer than your And that’s [ __ ] up. I think that’s wrong. And that’s a systemic problem that gets to the like very structure of our economy. Um I mean one of the most important facts in the world from my friend Joe Eisenthal is that Shanghai Stock Exchange has barely grown since 2009. But everyone in China, you are way more materially rich since 2009. In America, the number has to go up. Capital must return. and specifically at 8 to 9%. Our whole retirement’s banked on that. Our whole economy is banked on that. And it doesn’t matter if the [ __ ] that we own is nicer or not. It must return. It must have dividends. It must have pay off. And in Shanghai and in Beijing and all of that, they’re like, “Oh, we don’t give a [ __ ] about that.” They’re like, “Are we getting drone deliveries? Are our houses nicer? Are our electric cars the best vehicles in the world?” Hands down. I’m telling you, there if the ban was lifted, I would buy them tomorrow. There is no there is no competition. I would throw the Tesla. I’m getting in the Yang Wang. Like it’s done. BYD, let me in. Huawei, any of these other people, they have the best cars in the world. It’s it’s genuinely not a question. Not best electric, best cars in the world are in Shang or in Shanghai, Beijing. like the Chinese peasant or you know is materially much better off than the United States than it was than compared to 2009 than the average American from 2009 to 2025. So let’s all spend some time asking why. And a lot of it is debt leverage projects, education being sold, badly structured debt, uh I mean the way that people are even how do you get rich in America today? Mo for most people it’s like or even really filthy rich it’s to work in hedge funds and in finance in microtransactions for stuff that does not make this country better off if you you know how you get rich in China the government goes you’re allowed to get rich you can do it by building the best electric cars in the world oh the hedge fun you’re gone you’re you’re going to you’re going to the goolog actually we don’t do that here right and that I’m not advocating for that system but in comparison to ours it does work and that’s a deep question that we all have to ask who is better off Today, I believe that the Chinese are better off as a result of their way of life, which is really [ __ ] up because I think we have a much better we had we had a path. We didn’t always used to be like this and we could go in another direction. Thanks, Reagan. There you go. It’s not just Reagan. They’re all they’re all complicit now at this point. Sager, thank you so much, bro. We love you. Appreciate it. Make sure you check out Sag Breaking Points. singer.
YERRR – the guys sat down with Saagar Enjeti to break down the madness behind Jeffrey Epstein and the web of power protecting him. From the leaked files to Ghislaine’s role, Saagar lays out how the story goes way deeper than the headlines. He digs into the media silence, the political connections, and why nobody at the top ever seems to pay.
All that and more on this week’s episode of FLAGRANT. INDULGE.
00:00 History of Jeffrey Epstein
16:48 The Maxwells + Asset for Foreign Agency?
44:42 First Epstein expose
54:24 2005 Conviction + Return to Israel
1:04:54 The Non-Prosecution Agreement + Kept Secret
1:16:13 Likely Epstein = intelligence + Protecting Sources & Methods
1:27:52 We need Church Committee like exposure
1:31:02 Blackmail
1:34:58 Israel’s possible involvement + Bill Gates
1:53:21 Deutsche Bank cover-up + All facts presented
1:59:37 Shutting this down + Holding leaders accountable
2:08:06 Trump not delivering + Imbalance with Israel
2:17:59 Define this as American interests
2:20:02 Antisemitism Industrial Complex + “Grifting”
2:25:50 Talk to everybody + Don’t trust, critique
2:30:05 What’s Trump’s strategy with Epstein?
2:35:42 Trump’s Presidency so far = Chaos
2:42:49 Where does Republican party go now?
2:46:28 What has propelled Mamdani?
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This is the best pod so far and i been watching (most) since 2020. Sad its only got 1.5 mil views for how great this one is
Of all the apeshit aspects to Epstein, the Lex Wexner part throws me off the most. Signing off your entire fortune to a dude for nothing (we know of) in return is absolutely insane. No amount of Alex Jones mental gymnastics can explain that one away outside of the worst case scenario of having extreme dirt on him
From gestapo to Birkenstocks
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such interesting topics and smooth transition of topics, one thing though, you guys talk over each other A LOT
Oh geez do we have a #pedopresident or a #pexoprotectorinchief… He is the President. He, if anyone, is supposed to be the one who can expose all these people.
They need to protect this man the government don’t play lol
No statute of limitations on rape or murder.
Damn… Breaking points numbers must be going down…Now they have to go to Andrew Schultz for views.
Daanggg… 😢 a bad look for the jooozz
You voted for the guy that is on the list and is blocking it.. It's a shame you didn't pay attention.
Let’s say it’s not blackmail of any form… let’s say it was just one big sacrificing, party and enjoyment to people who felt above the law which clearly they are… the government had committed more horrific crimes than anything in human history… that is all governments have power that is unnatural ran by sociopaths. Here’s 1 last point those same people own your food
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The mf host needs to stfu n let dude talk nobody cares bout nothing he saying just let he guest drop the info goofy
Phukaipac!
And their vile heritage.
the holy land of american leaders, should be america
22:10 this looks like a tutor getting paid 10$ an hour to watch a set of kids that have a game in mind to play later
Living and growing up in the West China and other cultures were always demonized and you took it at face value because of the mainstream. Now with social media and alternative Media you get to see the truth, and in all honesty China seems to be a better option than the United States / West.
Thank you for having Saagar without Krystal sucks balls!
US presidents have no power… they do as they're told under threat of the most powerful name in Washington: Zapruder.
Whoa they believe as random guys they wouldnt hang out with a wealthy sex offender but Bill Gaites wife isnt allowed to set boundaries that her husband can cheat but not hang out with Epstien. Then divorce and take her 50%??
Kind of an uncharitable take to have just because shes a woman? How could you sleep at night knowing your husband was haning iut qith human traffickers of undeeage girls?? Who wouldn't divorce once they found out?
You guys are uneducated fools. Stop broadcasting political shit, you fools. Why dont you try to tell a joke, maybe? You gullible idiots.
Hey guys let's bring this guy on who's an expert he can explain all this to us. Yeah you know what would make it even better is if we constantly interrupted him and sidetracked the conversation so we can't have a cohesive explanation
So Israel sold our secretes to the Soviets and they are our "Greatest Ally"
16:11 yo Alex lowkey nailed that Akash impression😂
They keep saying the white house responded to them? When? What is he referring to?
The problem with people with opinions online, commenting and ranting is even the most educated person (which is not many people) only knows about 25% of the facts in each of these circumstances. They don't know facts, risks, potential domestic and international consequences, etc., but they rant that they know how things should be handle and what should be done. No person of moderate to high intelligence, having any level of logical reasoning skills, would ever think they could make important decisions affect the country or the globe with only 25% of the information. Their comments, complaining and ranting becomes more about their own need to lash out, to ease whatever unrelated issues with which they are contending in their own personal and professional lives than the actual topics of which they actually have little knowledge..
Too bad trump lied about caring if more people died. You got fooled Schultz
What were the movie references please?
Cocaine's a hell of a drug. It makes you speak really fast and constantly interupt your friends.
Who knows?? Trump might say Jeffery Epstein was an attractive and tough guy just like Ahmad Al Sharra.
You are all complicit.
"I don't know the non sexual version of being turned on"….
Inspired. You stereotype hahaha
Saagar is if raj listened to his parents and became a lawyer 😂
I see you Lil Duval
Lol you guys voted for T diddler 😂
Is it safe to say that Israel run the US?
Become a true American and disclose just how much the Trump Campaign AND administration paid you before, during, and after the election.
THIS is the moment where you show if you are a real man and an actual patriot of this country!
Don't make us find out because of Coffeezilla or someone else on the internet.
There are a few examples in the Snowden leaks including operation Anarchist where together British and US Intelligence broke into Israeli drone feeds.
this is so anti-septic on so many levels.😂
Uh oh boys!?! Reality bite u in the azz? WE TOLD U! U KNEW AND VOTED FOR A PEDO! 🤬
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