Big mistake by Zelenskyy now will make people in western countries question if they should support Ukraine even more
EU should send expertise to Ukraine to provide assistance in how to tackle corruption and guarantee the quality of the efforts. That might pave a quicker path to joining the European Union AND squelch the ruSSian propaganda somewhat.
The fact that they peacefully protest is a clear sign that the Ukrainan people have more in common with the west and democratic society than what the would ever had under Russia control or like. That is the last thing they want.
This is the main reason for the war imo.
Oh man, the stupid Charlie Kirks and Jacks Prosobeics will claim they’re protesting to accept defeat and let Russia in or something.
It also shows the people have a voice and can make up their own minds. Sometimes in favour and sometimes against the government.
i was at the protest today too. we are ready to do this until we are heard.
Russians could never.
Its kinda nice to see a big protest about a in Ukraine. And not about some wishy washy local topic, but about actual important and security stuff.
I feel like a few hot protests every year are essential to every democracy.
This shows they are free and still allowed to disagree with a sitting government.
If the anti-corruption watchdog is indeed corrupted by outside influence then it could be a good decision. Let’s hope there’s in conclusion a bit of transparency.
And this is the difference between Ukraine and Russia
if russia captures ukraine, all of this goes away
Tldr?
I haven’t studied up enough on the situation so please correct me if I’m wrong. I expect this to be downvoted because reddit is reddit.
To my understanding, the anti-corruption agencies were found to be corrupt so these new laws were passed to tackle them. That in itself isn’t a corrupt act. If the power is not abused or if new agencies are created in their place, isn’t this just progress?
Sometimes from the outside things look bad when we don’t have all the details.
My admiration for the Ukrainian people has been multiplied by this. The fact that the good stuff Zelenskyy has done hasn’t excused what he does wrong in the opinions of the people is amazing. We need more of this kind of objectivity in the United States. Too often people form cults around their preferred leaders, excusing the wrong they do while admiring what they get right,and the fact that Zelenskyy is not above being criticized and is not forming an impenetrable cult around himself in spite of his popularity really gives me hope that Ukraine will have a brighter future.
While many people are scared at the moment. I’m quite convinced Ukraine will come out of this stronger. The government alone cannot weed out all corruption. The population also holds a lot of power to fight corruption, both symbolically and through their voice and actions.
The proverbial fist against corruption and also the symbolic stance against it – will by itself already be a factor in enabling a reduction in corruption. Also on the international stage it already shows the commitment of the population against corruption.
A good foundation and a strong boost against corruption could be the result, especially if the government capitalizes on the opportunity (easier said than done obviously).
Even though the short term optics might be bad – I feel like this is likely to be a big push forward against corruption in the long run. The population is essentially giving the government a mandate / request (however you want to phrase it) against corruption, enabling strong action from the government.
So let’s hope the government capitalizes – and I kinda suspect they will.
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Big mistake by Zelenskyy now will make people in western countries question if they should support Ukraine even more
EU should send expertise to Ukraine to provide assistance in how to tackle corruption and guarantee the quality of the efforts. That might pave a quicker path to joining the European Union AND squelch the ruSSian propaganda somewhat.
The fact that they peacefully protest is a clear sign that the Ukrainan people have more in common with the west and democratic society than what the would ever had under Russia control or like. That is the last thing they want.
This is the main reason for the war imo.
Oh man, the stupid Charlie Kirks and Jacks Prosobeics will claim they’re protesting to accept defeat and let Russia in or something.
It also shows the people have a voice and can make up their own minds. Sometimes in favour and sometimes against the government.
i was at the protest today too. we are ready to do this until we are heard.
Russians could never.
Its kinda nice to see a big protest about a in Ukraine. And not about some wishy washy local topic, but about actual important and security stuff.
I feel like a few hot protests every year are essential to every democracy.
This shows they are free and still allowed to disagree with a sitting government.
If the anti-corruption watchdog is indeed corrupted by outside influence then it could be a good decision. Let’s hope there’s in conclusion a bit of transparency.
And this is the difference between Ukraine and Russia
if russia captures ukraine, all of this goes away
Tldr?
I haven’t studied up enough on the situation so please correct me if I’m wrong. I expect this to be downvoted because reddit is reddit.
To my understanding, the anti-corruption agencies were found to be corrupt so these new laws were passed to tackle them. That in itself isn’t a corrupt act. If the power is not abused or if new agencies are created in their place, isn’t this just progress?
Sometimes from the outside things look bad when we don’t have all the details.
My admiration for the Ukrainian people has been multiplied by this. The fact that the good stuff Zelenskyy has done hasn’t excused what he does wrong in the opinions of the people is amazing. We need more of this kind of objectivity in the United States. Too often people form cults around their preferred leaders, excusing the wrong they do while admiring what they get right,and the fact that Zelenskyy is not above being criticized and is not forming an impenetrable cult around himself in spite of his popularity really gives me hope that Ukraine will have a brighter future.
While many people are scared at the moment. I’m quite convinced Ukraine will come out of this stronger. The government alone cannot weed out all corruption. The population also holds a lot of power to fight corruption, both symbolically and through their voice and actions.
The proverbial fist against corruption and also the symbolic stance against it – will by itself already be a factor in enabling a reduction in corruption. Also on the international stage it already shows the commitment of the population against corruption.
A good foundation and a strong boost against corruption could be the result, especially if the government capitalizes on the opportunity (easier said than done obviously).
Even though the short term optics might be bad – I feel like this is likely to be a big push forward against corruption in the long run. The population is essentially giving the government a mandate / request (however you want to phrase it) against corruption, enabling strong action from the government.
So let’s hope the government capitalizes – and I kinda suspect they will.
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