I was just reading Cristian Popescu’s [thoughts](https://www.digi24.ro/stiri/actualitate/ctp-daca-rusia-ar-intra-in-republica-moldova-exista-optiunea-1940-nu-facem-nimic-si-exista-optiunea-sa-sarim-in-ajutorul-ei-1914965?_x_tr_sl=ro) on a possible unilateral Romanian reaction to a Russian incursion into Moldova.
One scenario he depicts is a non-NATO Romanian reaction that could give Russia an excuse to enter a direct conflict with Romania in which NATO would have to kind of absent itself (logistically difficult, considering the existing and now-growing US/EU personnel and bases), because it would not be a NATO decision.
I always knew that if the war extended to Moldova, it would test Romania’s stoicism more than any other phase of the conflict, due to the Romanian presence there.
What do you think the national mood is likely to be in this eventuality?
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We don’t know what our politicians will decide, but I am pretty sure NATO will defend Moldova and Romania.
Russia already has a difficult time in Ukraine so I hope they will think twice before engaging in a war with another country, otherwise UE and USA will enhance the restrictions that affect the Russian economy
I think that Romanians will be pro intervension but idk what about the leaders of the country
-covert romanian operations
-guerilla fighting
-russia-romanian war excluding NATO offensivelly, but defensivelly allied (like in Ukraine)(or in other words, limited NATO-Russia war/proxy war)
-Romania stays out of it (very low chances)
-Romania stays out of it as long as Russia takes Transnistria and does not crossover Nistru, Moldova recognizes the territorry as anexed and the new iron curtain is settled from Nistru (least likely scenario, at the same time, on paper, best scenario with least casualties )
hard to predict what our asshats leaders would do. probably nothing much
If an avrage romanian says they suport a military help of Moldova there will be onother one saying we should not . Some people think abought theyr bellys some abought theyr family(this i understand) and like to live like zombies ….in fear or just not do anything in life …. the diference in mentality is what makes us so diferent from the west .
cristian popescu has opinions on everything, every day. i dont think he understands how nato works, how military preparations are done or how international affairs relating to this are handled.
this community will also give you very dumb answers. id start by reading nato agreements, might answer at least part of your questions.
– It very much depends how close are the Romanian politicians to Moscow regime.
– I don’t think Romania will have any word in the decision of intervene in Ru – Md conflict. If they will take decisions by them self they will loose NATO protection. Without this protection, Ro will become next Russian target state, in their way to regain power in Eastern Europe.
That’s my thoughts.
I think well-meaning people will be supporting an intervention, but well-meaning and wise people will be against it. In the end, I don’t think (and don’t want) Romania will have troops in Moldova. The masses may have an emotional approach to this, but I have faith in the military authorities.
spune-i la Putin sa-si bage pofta-n cui
during history Romania’s leaders did mostly stupid things and the situation was saved by huuuge luck or last hour reversal. don’t expect otherwise in this particular situation.
to clarify, two situations:
– we lost WW1 in 1917 (Bucharest peace treaty). in 2018 we reentered WW1 just 24h before the end, at France’s supplications. could have missed a lot
– entered WW2 on Germany’s side but in 1944 a coup led by the king put us on Allies side. if not, our fate could have been worse.
also, now Russia occupies Romanian territory. it’s about Snake Island (technically a rock) which wasn’t ceded by any ratified treaty. it was ceded formally to the Soviet Union, then we didn’t contested the borders after 1989 and then Ukraine took control of it to loose it to another country, Russia.
regarding Moldova, we recognized that country. they declared neutrality. we cannot intervene militarily. we are bound by NATO treaty.
what can we do now is not to lose more and more. to not pose agressively. we can’t punch above our weight.
Sadly, while Romanians would be sympathetic to their cause and probably help them even more than we help Ukrainians (refugees, I mean), I don’t think a direct military intervention would be possible.
>I was just reading Cristian Popescu’s thoughts on a possible unilateral Romanian
An article in the Romanian language. So you can understand Romanian at an above average level but choose to come to a Romanian language subreddit and type in English.
Not our problem anymore. We wouldn’t intervene or will risk for an escalation.
Moldavians are not anymore Romanians since the majority of them refuses effectively to speak Romanian and do speak Russian instead. The same goes for the unification. Not gonna happen anytime soon.
Best we can do is sending weapons like we do for Ucraine.
This is my personal view on things:
Romania will NOT go outside the borders of the NATO treaty. But if Russia keeps at it, I forsee a new article on the NATO treaty that will give an offensive approach towards countries with ‘aggressive border expanding views’. This or nato (especially US) will find motive to stop them (aka a ‘rogue’ Russian missle landing on nato ground…oops) There will be no ww3 since I don’t think China will side with a 3rd world country like Russia. But we could possibly see a Russia torn between China and West after the war ends (because it will end with Russia loosing). The way US Military works is they can fight on multiple fronts at the same time. They will have 0 (zero) issues fighting Russia from the west and China from the east, at the same time.
So there are a few things to consider here, in my opinion:
-most people in Eastern Europe hate Russia. And that is mostly because of the past aggressions that the Russians inflicted upon these nations. I heard many old people from rural areas say ‘nobody made us suffer more than the `Russians’. What the world saw happen in Bucha…it’s not a 1st time occurrence. They did it in the past. Rape, murder, theft, arson, torture, systematic killings, installing oppressive regimes…that’s why you see everyone in the East of the Europe hate them and why people are willing to fight till the last drop of blood with them. Because the alternative is waaay worse.
-Moldova basically has no army and a loot of people in the country speak Russian and are in favour of the Russians. Even though Romania helps out Moldova a lot of the time, with no strings attached (monetary help, medicine sent in the country when Covid hit, energy supplies, trade partnerships, diplomatic support etc.), the support for Moscow still exists within the country. So it would be quite easy for the Russians to justify an invasion (‘oh, the Russian minority is oppressed…we need to save them’ – we all know this line).
-Romania has the best possible stance in the region, at the moment, from a political and security standpoint. We’re a member of the EU and Nato. Yes, Romania is a poor and corrupt country, but, for the 1st time in history I believe, we’re sitting at the right table. So no…we will not be taking a stance in the war together with Moldova. We will accept any number of refugees I think (we did the same with Ukrainians…I live in a city close to the border, and nobody has any problem with the refugees…they are more than welcomed), but there will be no direct involvement, since we need to hold on to the EU and Nato memberships, and act within that framework.
-also, one more thing which helps Romania in this context is the fact that minorities are, at the moment, very well integrated in the country. We have a lot of them (Hungarians, Roma, Turkish, Tatar, Polish, Ukrainians, Russian Lipovans, Armenian and then some) and the religious diversity that comes with this. However…we do not have radicals within the country, no separatist groups, no terrorists, and the existing minorities are happy with things as they currently are. As an example, the Russian ambassador made a statement in the press that the Russian Lipovans are oppressed by the Romanian state. In the same day, the minority representative came out with a press release as well, saying that it’s bullshit and the minority is treated well in Romania. Another example is the Turkish community in Constanta. They have a mosque, with an imam, and nobody has a problem with them. They are very peaceful and I even visited the mosque (very beautiful actually). In the town where I was born, there is a sinagogue. Nobody has any issue with these things. It’s just fine.
-of course, if you will believe the experts, after Russia takes Moldova, the next in line will be a country that is a member of Nato (if the Nordic states all join Nato before that)…which already starts posing some pretty fucked-up questions. Romania already is hosting a defensive missile base, and a few American bases on its territory. So there will be a lot of bloodshed, if they decide to invade. Next to that, there is the fact that when the war started, a lot of Romanian citizens applied for passports (presumably, to flee the country, in case of an invasion), so there’s that.
The bulk of the people (~80%, the idiot part) will support a military intervention, but strong EU and US opposition will hold back the .ro leaders from doing something stupid.
USL coalition has a history of sucking soviet dick, deep embedded in their mind since Iliescu’s coup succeeded in taking the power in 89.
They have absolutely handicapated the eastern Moldavian infrastructure so there will be no danger whatsoever when talking about wartime logistics.
Even though they have evolved in a self cleptocracy system, they will not make a war happen against their own interests. If a war would start, it will because the many random individuals that would at least remember Balta Alba massacre and will fucking launch that missile into the Russian scum, effectively starting the war, because of so many hundred years of untold hate.
Nobody in our history fucked as sideways as the Russian did. We were oppressed by otomans by half a millenia and still could be friends with turks, but the shit Russian scum pulled on us is unequaled in savagery and barbarism. Those mother fuckers anexed Moldavia while we still were allies so even though we had some improvement with Russians in the WW1 there is nothing that would make up for what Stalin and USSR did.
Russian scum at their best.
Basically: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY5nGUdKlIQ
Please also take into consideration that CTP is the current power propaganda tool. And good at it.
My understanding…
We will do nothing.
It’s best to send Ukraine everything they might possibly require and keep that question at bay.
Moldova’s neutral stance is forced upon it by Russia.
Please try to remember that Putin claimed that there is no Ukraine and no people as Ukraine nationality. A classic Russia tactic.
But Romania is in nato and nato is, by definition a defensive alliance, thus we will be ” forced” to look at how Moldova is turned into Buchea. Village by village.
Strong condemnation don’t do shit vs bullets. Saint Javelin on the other hand is very effective. AA and modern artillery, planes and even drones Byractar, threatening with lost influence in Africa middle and far east and tearing Russian military apart. Now that’s more like it.
Remember, if Putin said that sanctions don’t work, we need way better sanctions. If Putin said that weapons don’t do anything, then Ukraine needs way better weapons. Etc.
As someone pointed out were not fighting just a war of armies, but a war of ideology. And that’s tricky to win. Russia needs to get it’s expansionist ideas buried. And just defeating an army, for an expansionist country is just a minor setback. In 30 years we’re back at it, regardless of NATO / sanctions / borders / propaganda.
In Moldova one of three citizens is also Romanian citizen. Their president and also the prime-minister are romanian citizens. So we don’t have any excuse to not join a war to protect Moldova.
But I think that, as in MD there is a party with majority in Parliament, pro-EU, pro-RO, most probably if there will be infos that Russia will attack MD, in the second 2 we will unite with them so they can have the NATO protection.
I feel this kind of debate is exactly the type of doubt the russian propaganda would love to further fuel into life. Romania is in NATO and should do nothing from a military point of view, to get involved in a potential Moldova invasion. Help in any other conceivable way, yes, but not commit militarily without a consensus from NATO.
This debate is just for the sake of flexing an intellectual muscle. And CTP loves that.
None. Most Romanians are either completely anti-war, or anti-intervention. From my point of view, Moldova has dug it’a own grave by allowing itself to remain in the Russian sphere of influence for so long. A large part of the population actively seeks to make it clear that they are in no way, shape or form Romanian. I know from experience, as I garnered a seething hatred towards those in their younger generation that cross the border into Romania, instantly receiving financial aid and free access to the education and medical systems, while maintaining the idea that they want nothing to do with our country or government. While my colleagues and I were basically going through the lives of normal college students, living paycheck to paycheck or living from one meal to another, many of our Moldovan colleagues were using their financial aids to take tours of European capitals. So why in the hell would I agree to a military intervention into Moldova, when they make it abundantly clear they don’t want to grow closer to us?
Lol with what army should we join? Our only chance is NATO stuff, our MIG 21s crash in the fields during tests for crist sake.
I hope the public will support a direct intervention. As our constitution says, all romanian citizens wether inside or outside of our national borders shall enjoy the protection of the Romanian state. Moldova has like a third or some similarly ridiculous ammount of its people with both Moldavian and Romanian citizenship and I really believe that the Romanian state should do anything in its power to protect them if the Russians invade the country. I fully understand that this means going to war to defend our brothers and sisters on the other side of the river against a much greater force than ours but we shall not abandon them in any situation whatsoever. Although I have absolutely no military training I will make myself available to the nearest recruitment centre for any kind of physical labor that may be necessary if shit hits the fan on such a scale…
I think there will not be an official military confrontation, but Moldova will be supported for as long as can be with refugee support, money and weapons, Ukraine-style, and volunteer brigades especially from Romania. But I doubt Moldova might hold out more than a week.
I only hope it doesn’t reach this point and Transnistrian forces are dumb enough to attack Ukraine so they can get fucked and finally get rid of this monkey on Moldova’s back.
romania is one milimiter away from being a failed state… we’ll do shit if russia attacks moldova.