So, I learn that the Swiss Post has off-shored its IT to Portugal while every week on this sub IT people complain that they cannot find a job here…

by Milleuros

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  2. “ Another issue is that IT professionals in Switzerland are in short supply and unable to fill vacancies”

    They forgot to add something like “because they generally ask for a salary that will allow them to pay the rent and we don’t want to pay that”.

  3. And then they gaslight you with “buy local, support the economy!”

  4. Given that I’m a part-owner of the Swiss Post, I applaud this.

  6. I am troubled by this too. But as I understand it , Swiss Post, while being state owned, is operating on the free market (they only have monopoly for letters below 50grams). They compete with others for packages and for banking services etc… We can’t really expect them to compete with different constraints, unless the State, with our taxes, covers for those constraints.

  7. And cff is offshoring its it to spain and many public entities are using “Swiss IT companies” who are using offshore developers

  8. and so the swiss find out no one is really immune to global market trends

  9. Helvetia is already dead with 39% tax tariff … Swisspost, PF are a dead man walking

  10. Honestly IT is something that can very easily be offshored. Why would you pay Swiss prices if you don’t absolutely have to. It was ver clear that this was going to happen.

  11. We‘ve had that already 15 years ago. Until they figured out it isn‘t working too well and brought IT back. It cost millions. Did they learn? Probably not.

  12. Post had one of the biggest amount of ITs. Now they’re all gone. Yeah no wonder can I not find a job here for a whole year now. The only job offers I find are fake ones from shitty “job providers” like freestar

  13. It’s because it’s led by people who don’t care about the country’s economy, just their own profit

  14. The title of your post would be better with a little addition:

    *So, I learn that the Swiss Post has off-shored its IT to Portugal while every week on this sub IT people* ***who immigrated from Portugal*** *complain that they cannot find a job here…*

    Of course that’s a bit pointed, but it’s not wrong:

    IT people from all over Europe come to Switzerland in the hope to find high salaries, while of course Swiss companies seek to offshore the work to countries with lower salaries.

  15. I just want to add that we have had many issues since a certain payment processor from Zürich, which starts with D, was sold and offshored to Portugal.

    They also don’t know how to develop a public API. They made changes to production without sending any notification. We learned about the breaking changes from our sudden errors.

    I contacted them about that, and other issues with their OpenAPI JSON and they were clueless.

    Portugal has low salaries and high rents, so I doubt they will get any high quality developers there.

  16. Wow. I wonder if this is even legal as a tax funded company…

  17. „Just a reminder: the “Swiss Post I/T Portugal” site enables acquisition of the IT and technological skills required in the European labour market. The fact is that Swiss Post is facing a lack of IT specialists.“

    What a lie they just don’t want to pay the Swiss salaries…. It’s all about cost-reduction…

  18. Edit: ty, i forwarded your post w screenshots and links to 20 Min, maybe theyll have a look

  19. Yeah it’s a brain-dead thing to do. Loosing local jobs and knowledge (and company culture, since the people offshore don’t speak Swiss German).

    Not a fan at all and I hope the experiment fails.

  20. Meanwhile companies like the Post that do this continue to advertise how truly Swiss they are, using Swiss branding and phrases like “Swiss excellence.” Disgusting

  22. I thought they already had in Vietnam? Or is that only SPS?

  23. I always find it rather amusing that almost entire workforces from certain industries (IT definitely included) demand from employers that they should be able to work from anywhere. But then seem utterly shocked when said employer starts hiring from anywhere…
    If someone wants to work from anywhere then part of the deal is that competition will come from anywhere. Not that hard to understand.

    Don‘t get me wrong, offshoring has been around way before the demand for remote work has become popular. So remote work is not the root cause of this – but it certainly does not help to keep employment within a certain country.

    As for the Post: I am no fan of them and think their service is pretty lousy across many areas. And don‘t get me started on Postfinance. But they have > 40‘000 employees. Overwhelmingly people employed in Switzerland. Trying to make a thing out of 60 odd IT employees in Lisbon is ridiculous and lacks perspective.

  24. the fact that even the swiss post does it should be a national scandal.

    but they all do it. everything is being near- and offshored to the czech republic, india, spain etc.

    so many jobs lost thanks to the greed of these shitty ass, mostly publically traded corporations. and of course our useless politicians do not give a flying fuck. nor do any other politicians of other western countries. apart from trump I guess in this case, lol. near- and offshoring should be against the law apart from very specific use cases. end of story. and if companies leave because of it, which they mostly won’t because the swiss market is attractive enough, then they shall.

    if you want to go into IT or backoffice work, you better be highly specialized. meaning you don’t do anything other than your job. then you will still be doing well. meaning basically you’re in the top 1 percentile of performers. otherwise some guy in kalkuta is gonna do your job. a lot worse generally than you would have but it’s not like anybody cares.

  25. It’s sad, but before blaming them perhaps we should decide what we expect from our public services. Do we are about the quality of the service, the cost of the service or the social impact of their operations? You can’t pressure them so much on the costs and then expect they keep the quality of the service high, without pulling that kind of offshoring trick or cutting jobs.

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