Now that’s how you bullshit under pressure, well done.
Hahaha what a incredible damage control bullshit excuse for an AI generated image.
Why does O’Connell look like a corpse?
At this stage I think it’s fair to say this was a fuck up by An Post. O’Connell is arguably the most important person in Irish history. Stamps for his 250th anniversary should have been chosen with great care. Whatever their artistic merit, these ones are just not right for the job.
Just at a first glance, i bet you could find more AI indicators if you started really looking.
Maybe this is a new art style where illustrators intentionally make their art look like AI, so that it goes viral and gives them some publicity.
I bet they asked AI to do the press release.
I’m finding it hard to tell if it’s AI or not, I’ve spent a while looking at the fingers and stuff and while they do look incredibly dodgy it could be an artistic choice.
The fact that they employed an AI “artist” last year isn’t helping their case at all.
Artists are going to have to live record themselves creating art going forward if they want to dispute A.I accusations.
Ed Sheeran video records all his practice and songwriting process after he was accused of plagiarism.
These images are definitely A.I., the artist is just lying to save face and potentially legal damages
How does the TV aerial prove it’s AI? Could it not be an artist using the modern building as a reference and just not thinking? I really struggle to tell the difference any more
The second stamp is just as bad. The sun in the sky doesn’t make sense with the shadows on O’Connell. There is an extra digit on his hand and the person in front of him. And maybe it’s just lazy but reusing the image of the boy but he’s climbing in a tree instead of a lamppost is piss poor. The artist is a spoofer. Shudder to think how much this was commissioned for
FFFG would want to hire the person made that statement quick fuckn sharp. That is S-tier bullshit.
If it’s a visual signal would it not have been more suitable to have a dodgy box then?
TV Aerials have been on the way out for about 10 years now.
This guy has a long history as an artist so I want to give benefit of the doubt. As per the artists website “I scratch away black ink from a chalk board surface using a surgical scalpel to reveal the white underneath. The result is then scanned and coloured digitally.” So there’s likely an original scratching or in progress proof available somewhere? I feel like it would have made more sense to say “the reference image had an aerial and I didn’t think to remove it” so maybe it was the original intention to have it there… it’s a funny one.
It’s Anachronistic at best. I think if the art was “good” no one would care, but it’s really such a poor standard overall that it stands out and completely pulls the attention from the subject.
Obviously it was at a protest about the license fee hikes. Fair play to him.
Speaking of the modern age. What the fuck has ever happened to just taking accountability? Like our society has been built up by trial and error. Our economy is driven by improving process/products or whatever and developing them.
A stupid story of innovation is, the name escapes me, a man who wanted to invent an adhesive that would stick but be easily removed. It fell flat on its face because who needs a glue that’s easily removed. He took the loss, then at choir signing got annoyed his paper fell out of his book. So be put his easy removed adhesive on paper and now every office on the planet has postit notes.
Every fucker now just denies and refuses to take accountability and comes up with an excuse. Business who get bad reviews online generally fucking argue with customers now. I’ve seen business owners fight with the public online just because no one would use their shite business.
I digress because I’ve wrapped up a pet peeve with this. But fuck me An Post just say it was a stupid mistake and you will reprint the stamps.
AI Derangement Syndrome. Redditors spotting it everywhere these days, thinking they are some kind of oracles.
gobshites and AI experts of r/ireland assemble
Professional illustrator here.. I look at work all day long and can safely say this isn’t AI.
What’s clear though is that this is a composite of several pieces layered together which is quite a normal process.
The hands and pointy fingers are an artistic choice, it’s across a lot of this artists work and can be seen through out his portfolio. Generally with AI generated hands you get several fingers because software doesn’t understand the underlying structure and adds digits in an attempt to make something that resembles a hand. That’s not what’s happening here.
The choice to include a tv aerial is a little odd.. I think perhaps the buildings were drawn from reference and the aerial was mindlessly left included. Or the artist chose to include it, then the client simply missed it in review.
I can imagine this was done for a small fee under significant time pressure, which is a shame but not unusual for the industry in Ireland.
“Its not a bug its a feature”
Y ok An Post
I think what’s likely is the artist used a building for a reference and didn’t know or care to remove the aerial. He could have said “oops, I didn’t know what that was and copied it into my handmade work. I’m an artist not an historian lol” and it might have been OK. But surely no-one believes he included a dated but apocryphal symbol as some sort of reference. Now if someone in the second stamp had been making a TikTok, I’d be inclined to believe him…
It’s a subtle message from An Post to pay your TV license
Good save.
I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt.
That’s a very poor choice of concept to be a signal to the modern age. A dated looking TV aerial.
I think people should really do more research instead of jumping to conclusions, to understand the medium and methods used to produce an art piece.
The artist uses scraper board, which is a high contrast medium where shades between dark and light are created using “cross hatching”.
Cross hatching is a series of overlapping lines of differing thickness, density and lenght that can be varied to create a sense of light or shade.
Since the details on the stamp images are quite small, many of the “AI” accusations of extra fingers on hands can easily be explained by this cross hatching style.
The artist claims that the TV aerial was left in to signal the impact that the speeches would have had if they were televised.
I think people should at least do a modicum of research before jumping to conclusions. I don’t believe there is sufficient evidence that AI was used in the creation of these images at the moment.
Maybe it’s just shite?
I know this isn’t the salacious reddit reply that will garner upvotes, but these styles largely match with the work of the artist and the artist is quite legitimate and has some wonderful works: artist David Rooney [https://www.davidrooney.com](https://www.davidrooney.com)
IF they did use AI, they would appear to have used one trained and entirely consistent with their own style and that is completely acceptable.
Art is not design. By that I mean, if An Post commission me to make a stamp that can easily be licked and you cut your tongue on the oddly cut sharp corners every time you do, you are entirely within your rights to say “Hey buddy, explain the rationale of making the stamp like this! I cut my tongue every time!”, and rightly so.
An artist owes you no such rationale. Art for the sake of art. *Art* is utterly independent of social values and utilitarian functions. This is not supposed to be an actual picture of O’Connell. I feel like this is both obvious and condescending to say (for which I apologise), but considering the replies in this thread I think folks need to be reminded that artistic representations of things are entirely at the whim of the artist. If he wanted to present O’Connell in a Ford F150 ploughing down the N4 in the style of Egyptian hieroglyphics then that is the prerogative of the artist. Would it make sense, no haha but would it still be art? Absolutely.
David Rooney has done wonderful work in the past for A Post, and I commend them for choosing him again. You can think the art is shite, and in that you have my full support in doing so (though, personally I like it). But saying the artist *should* have done X, or Y, or taken out the aerial, etc. That I can’t get behind.
As an artist myself, and being familiar with the artists past work, I see no evidence of AI slop here.
From my interpretation, I think the artists point is entirely credible. We see O’Connell broadcasting his message to the people in the streets, and how that message makes its way into the homes of modern Ireland to this day.
Saying the aerial is some kind of gotcha, sure you might as well say “Hang on, there was no auld lad on deaths door playing a harp next to O’Connell in 1844!” and you would both be right and also embarrassingly oblivious. There’s plenty of actual AI slop for you to direct your ire towards.
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Now that’s how you bullshit under pressure, well done.
Hahaha what a incredible damage control bullshit excuse for an AI generated image.
Why does O’Connell look like a corpse?
At this stage I think it’s fair to say this was a fuck up by An Post. O’Connell is arguably the most important person in Irish history. Stamps for his 250th anniversary should have been chosen with great care. Whatever their artistic merit, these ones are just not right for the job.
Its blatantly obvious that this is AI
https://preview.redd.it/f076noq60egf1.png?width=670&format=png&auto=webp&s=603e0c22b59092c4a366ce59c8f94e4aa1849b0e
Just at a first glance, i bet you could find more AI indicators if you started really looking.
Maybe this is a new art style where illustrators intentionally make their art look like AI, so that it goes viral and gives them some publicity.
I bet they asked AI to do the press release.
I’m finding it hard to tell if it’s AI or not, I’ve spent a while looking at the fingers and stuff and while they do look incredibly dodgy it could be an artistic choice.
The fact that they employed an AI “artist” last year isn’t helping their case at all.
Artists are going to have to live record themselves creating art going forward if they want to dispute A.I accusations.
Ed Sheeran video records all his practice and songwriting process after he was accused of plagiarism.
These images are definitely A.I., the artist is just lying to save face and potentially legal damages
How does the TV aerial prove it’s AI? Could it not be an artist using the modern building as a reference and just not thinking? I really struggle to tell the difference any more
https://preview.redd.it/gp6zvop65egf1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=370d90f0196f0a0ab3571f2c01b5ae692dd4d9ac
The second stamp is just as bad. The sun in the sky doesn’t make sense with the shadows on O’Connell. There is an extra digit on his hand and the person in front of him. And maybe it’s just lazy but reusing the image of the boy but he’s climbing in a tree instead of a lamppost is piss poor. The artist is a spoofer. Shudder to think how much this was commissioned for
FFFG would want to hire the person made that statement quick fuckn sharp. That is S-tier bullshit.
If it’s a visual signal would it not have been more suitable to have a dodgy box then?
TV Aerials have been on the way out for about 10 years now.
This guy has a long history as an artist so I want to give benefit of the doubt. As per the artists website “I scratch away black ink from a chalk board surface using a surgical scalpel to reveal the white underneath. The result is then scanned and coloured digitally.” So there’s likely an original scratching or in progress proof available somewhere? I feel like it would have made more sense to say “the reference image had an aerial and I didn’t think to remove it” so maybe it was the original intention to have it there… it’s a funny one.
It’s Anachronistic at best. I think if the art was “good” no one would care, but it’s really such a poor standard overall that it stands out and completely pulls the attention from the subject.
Obviously it was at a protest about the license fee hikes. Fair play to him.
Speaking of the modern age. What the fuck has ever happened to just taking accountability? Like our society has been built up by trial and error. Our economy is driven by improving process/products or whatever and developing them.
A stupid story of innovation is, the name escapes me, a man who wanted to invent an adhesive that would stick but be easily removed. It fell flat on its face because who needs a glue that’s easily removed. He took the loss, then at choir signing got annoyed his paper fell out of his book. So be put his easy removed adhesive on paper and now every office on the planet has postit notes.
Every fucker now just denies and refuses to take accountability and comes up with an excuse. Business who get bad reviews online generally fucking argue with customers now. I’ve seen business owners fight with the public online just because no one would use their shite business.
I digress because I’ve wrapped up a pet peeve with this. But fuck me An Post just say it was a stupid mistake and you will reprint the stamps.
AI Derangement Syndrome. Redditors spotting it everywhere these days, thinking they are some kind of oracles.
gobshites and AI experts of r/ireland assemble
Professional illustrator here.. I look at work all day long and can safely say this isn’t AI.
What’s clear though is that this is a composite of several pieces layered together which is quite a normal process.
The hands and pointy fingers are an artistic choice, it’s across a lot of this artists work and can be seen through out his portfolio. Generally with AI generated hands you get several fingers because software doesn’t understand the underlying structure and adds digits in an attempt to make something that resembles a hand. That’s not what’s happening here.
The choice to include a tv aerial is a little odd.. I think perhaps the buildings were drawn from reference and the aerial was mindlessly left included. Or the artist chose to include it, then the client simply missed it in review.
I can imagine this was done for a small fee under significant time pressure, which is a shame but not unusual for the industry in Ireland.
“Its not a bug its a feature”
Y ok An Post
I think what’s likely is the artist used a building for a reference and didn’t know or care to remove the aerial. He could have said “oops, I didn’t know what that was and copied it into my handmade work. I’m an artist not an historian lol” and it might have been OK. But surely no-one believes he included a dated but apocryphal symbol as some sort of reference. Now if someone in the second stamp had been making a TikTok, I’d be inclined to believe him…
It’s a subtle message from An Post to pay your TV license
Good save.
I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt.
That’s a very poor choice of concept to be a signal to the modern age. A dated looking TV aerial.
I think people should really do more research instead of jumping to conclusions, to understand the medium and methods used to produce an art piece.
The artist uses scraper board, which is a high contrast medium where shades between dark and light are created using “cross hatching”.
https://static.wixstatic.com/media/a26d99_b5afe9aab4d04e5da73c0d34bf087bb1~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_560,h_564,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01,enc_avif,quality_auto/a26d99_b5afe9aab4d04e5da73c0d34bf087bb1~mv2.jpg
Cross hatching is a series of overlapping lines of differing thickness, density and lenght that can be varied to create a sense of light or shade.
Since the details on the stamp images are quite small, many of the “AI” accusations of extra fingers on hands can easily be explained by this cross hatching style.
https://static.wixstatic.com/media/77c13b_ee6a37f370d440bd9f64fa1e94777231~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_560,h_564,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01,enc_avif,quality_auto/77c13b_ee6a37f370d440bd9f64fa1e94777231~mv2.jpg
The artist claims that the TV aerial was left in to signal the impact that the speeches would have had if they were televised.
I think people should at least do a modicum of research before jumping to conclusions. I don’t believe there is sufficient evidence that AI was used in the creation of these images at the moment.
Maybe it’s just shite?
I know this isn’t the salacious reddit reply that will garner upvotes, but these styles largely match with the work of the artist and the artist is quite legitimate and has some wonderful works: artist David Rooney [https://www.davidrooney.com](https://www.davidrooney.com)
IF they did use AI, they would appear to have used one trained and entirely consistent with their own style and that is completely acceptable.
Art is not design. By that I mean, if An Post commission me to make a stamp that can easily be licked and you cut your tongue on the oddly cut sharp corners every time you do, you are entirely within your rights to say “Hey buddy, explain the rationale of making the stamp like this! I cut my tongue every time!”, and rightly so.
An artist owes you no such rationale. Art for the sake of art. *Art* is utterly independent of social values and utilitarian functions. This is not supposed to be an actual picture of O’Connell. I feel like this is both obvious and condescending to say (for which I apologise), but considering the replies in this thread I think folks need to be reminded that artistic representations of things are entirely at the whim of the artist. If he wanted to present O’Connell in a Ford F150 ploughing down the N4 in the style of Egyptian hieroglyphics then that is the prerogative of the artist. Would it make sense, no haha but would it still be art? Absolutely.
David Rooney has done wonderful work in the past for A Post, and I commend them for choosing him again. You can think the art is shite, and in that you have my full support in doing so (though, personally I like it). But saying the artist *should* have done X, or Y, or taken out the aerial, etc. That I can’t get behind.
As an artist myself, and being familiar with the artists past work, I see no evidence of AI slop here.
From my interpretation, I think the artists point is entirely credible. We see O’Connell broadcasting his message to the people in the streets, and how that message makes its way into the homes of modern Ireland to this day.
Saying the aerial is some kind of gotcha, sure you might as well say “Hang on, there was no auld lad on deaths door playing a harp next to O’Connell in 1844!” and you would both be right and also embarrassingly oblivious. There’s plenty of actual AI slop for you to direct your ire towards.
The modern age of 1978.
People use ariels in the modern era?
It is yeah
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