Law mandating age verification was supported by 599 MEPs and opposed by just 2 MEPs (sources in comments)

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by pavelkomin

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  2. If there no pressure on governments then EU fate is more democratic version of China in best case scenario. UK already shows that this law will be used not to protect children but for mass censorship and surveillance.

  3. It’s all about the name. If they’d named it “Mass surveillance of online activity”, it might not have been so popular.

    But call it this, and MEP’s will be too afraid to vote against it for fear of what will be said about them if they do.

  4. I’m confused. How is children not getting to porn online going to prevent their abuse and exploitation?

  6. The two who voted against are Ivan David (ESN, Czech Republic) and Sebastian Tynkkynen (ECR, Finland), for the curious who can’t be bothered.

  7. I’m not against this. I phased porn out of my life for the better. Making it more difficult for kids is a good thing. No doubt they will have ways regardless.

  8. Am I the only one thinking that these laws just drive kids from the fairly impersonal and regulated porn sites into the actually dangerous stuff, porn chats/forums, VPNs, Tor, all the good stuff.

  9. just saying, if you want to criticise this (which I do because there’s still privacy issues and also there’s simply bigger things to worry about with child exploitation on the internet) you should actually look at what this is. the EU will NOT institute UK style age verification where individual providers are left to develop half arsed bespoke systems that leak constantly. there already is a blueprint for a verification system that is anonymous and doesn’t share person information with websites.

    there are privacy concerns but they concern more complex, high level stuff like “telecommunications firms may have access to anonymised verification patterns”, but nothing on the level of “you have to send your id to palantir to have access to social media without which you can’t function in society”

    edit: the fact that I’m being downvoted for disagreeing slightly more cautiously with this than the people screaming that this will be used for mass surveillance somehow (look to chatcontrol and protecteu for that, I’m not defending the eu here but this specifically isn’t the thing that will usher in the police state) says everything. if this is how you plan to oppose age verification you will end up like the people who said that the copyright directive and article 13 will “ban memes” instead of making the world a moderatly more restrictive place and making intellectual property law somewhat more draconian. when the apocalypse fails to arrive and people end up adapting to the new status quo they will think you’re insane even though many of the issues you had with it were legitimate

  10. About time. People have gotten used to something that was wrong. 

  11. This is when fossils make laws who have no clue how things today work.

    No teenager will be dissuaded from searching for porn online, they’ll just resort to less safe/more dangerous ways of finding it.

  12. This is palantir shit. It’s not a coincidence it’s happening everywhere at once. This isn’t about kids or protecting anyone, it’s about giving governments and AI companies an unlimited database to control every aspect of your life. This is what Peter Theil was talking about in his desire to override democracy with tech.

    I don’t know how to explain to Europe that america is going to nazify the shit out of the entire planet if they aren’t stopped, and americans have neither the will nor the capacity to stop their own country at this point.

  13. Boomers: “Man, I long for the 80s and the 90s. Best times in modern history.”

    Governments: “Ok. Here’s some ’90s moral panic legislation to bring back at least some of the good times.”

  15. There is absolutely no justification for this. Devices can implement parental controls. At most they could mandate websites to provide metadata on the type of content they’re serving to help device based parental controls.

    There is no need for government censorship of legal content. There is no need for government tracking of legal content.

    Device based parental control solves the problem with zero tracking, no pointless criminalization, no burdensome regulation, zero privacy issues, and all the while actually empowering parents to make decisions about what they feel is appropriate for their children.

    … But of course that’s also going to be zero profits for the companies that will be getting to charge for all these verification services. Which will essentially be a tax on the internet that just goes directly to private pockets. This kind of stuff will kill the free and open internet because free websites won’t have the money to afford compliance. I hope you’re ready for even more ads and subscription services.

  16. This kind of measure is among the most stupid things they could do.

    In one hand, they would stop shit since even a teenager could use an VPN to go arround those security measures, there are even free ones for that case so they wont have to pay. Extra points for having that type of content and worst in unregulated websites, which expose them to real danger in that regard (pedos and another content and exposing them to contact with pedos)

    In the other hand… yeah, let me give my internet credentials, my phone number with my personal information or my biometric data to a private company that will protect that info with all their soul… and not fuck up something even if they have the best of the intentions. Yeah. Fucking stupid people.

  17. European Parliament 🤝 Trump

    serving data brokers and VPN companies the biggest cash grab in the history of the internet because porn bad

  18. The more over the top the name of the law the higher the chances it’s bullshit. This sounds like something that would come out of the Trump administration and has nothing to do with protecting children

  19. We are living in the futuristic cyberfuture of 2025; not knowing how the internet works should be viewed with the same shock and disbelief as not knowing how to read and write.

  22. Yay, irresponsible parents dumping their trash on my lawn.

  23. You know what? Good. Internet porn got way out of hand, and parents failed to supervise their children themselves. (to be fair today parents often don’t care, or are straight up afraid of their own kids).

    I remember stumbling upon a girl shaking her breasts at the camera on tiktok once, because it was tagged #lego – some of the porn creators online are shamelessly aiming their media at kids and teenagers, and it’s a fact.

    Prison? Too harsh if you ask me, especially with all the nude leaks, revenge porn, and such going around. I don’t know if the new rules will be implemented in the right way, but I do know that porn shouldn’t be as easy to access for children as it is now.

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