My proposition is that the yellow area will be a new sea instead of land, to make future invasion harder.
We don’t need their damned land, we just want them to FUCK OFF.
Just propose a buffer zones at the Ruzzian border instead. 1991 borders are enough. Ukrainians don’t want new lands as they aren’t conquerors.
I want the East and Crimea back and a goddamn razor-wire wall!
Just the old borders from early 2013 … no need for more russians on ukrainian soil
Don’t need land, but there probably needs to be something to make sure they *can’t attack*
WW2 ended with such conditions
That may be moot if Russia falls apart, lots of oppressed peoples would love to not be ruled from Moscow
Also 25km buffer zone inside Russia, so Putin has his bufferzone
As of today Russia occupies roughly 20% of Ukraine. I’d suggest that Russia give up roughly 20% of its territories, specifically the part west of the Ural Mountains, with the population in the area moved to the east of the Ural Mountains.
I would add that the Black Sea should be free of Russian warships but that won’t be possible since there is a large amount of them on the sea floor.
“New”
Seems Ukrainians just want their original land back, I’d say force Russia to return any land that is contested aside from the Ukrainian lands such as what’s going on in Georgia, the japanese Kuril islands, Kralowec, Chechnia if they still want to be independent and some that technically got ‘resolved’ like lithuanian and finnish land that got taken
I don’t think bringing an ever larger Russian minority in Ukraine is a good idea. It will only fuel another conflict in the future. Best thing would be a population swap, Russians can go back to Russia, DMZ like in Korea and good riddance.
Why doesn’t Trump just give Russia the Sudetenland while he’s at it?
Hard Pass, it will take long enough to get the stink out of the occupied lands as it is. We dont need further bullshit to deal with. FUCK OFF and thats all.
Top map is exactly what was clear from day 1. Big land bridge to the black sea. Next step: free access to the Mediterranean. Sending Russian settlers in advance to have a dumb excuse for invading was obvious.
I support this, but only if Putin will be jailed forever on top!
I mean…maybe ruzzia should kick stones and Ukraine should consume ruzzia’s territory? All of it.
Oh no, no thanks. Just what’s ours (although pars of their land are ethnically Ukrainian initially)
Also, it probably comes with population, which is another no thanks for me
Old-new land, yeah
How about instead, Russia must:
– Empty Kaliningrad of all citizens and give the land over to Lithuania.
– Give Murmansk Oblast to Finland.
– Give all land south of Volgograd, the Volga River, and the Don river to a new independent Chechen state after submitting Kadyrov and his top lieutenants to the Hague for war crimes
– Cede Karelia to a new independent nation called the Republic of Karelia
– Submit Putin and his top generals and secretaries to the Hague for war crimes
– Give up all claims on the Kuril islands and cede them to Japan, and give Japan the island of Sakhalin for good measure.
– Cede all of the following to Mongolia:
– Urkutsk Oblast
– Republic of Buryatia
– Zabaykalsky Krai
– Republic of Tuva
– Altai Republic
– Cede everything else from Krasnoyarsk Krai to the east to a new nation called Siberia
Sounds fair to me.
Oh, and give back the land they stole from Ukraine, too.
It is technically historically Ukrainian land.
My own peace plan: Restore Ukraine with Crimea and give them some condolences lands, give Georgia back their lands, give Finland back their lands, give Japan all nearby russian islands, give China that bit around Manchuria, and then break all the rest of russia up into smaller states. The russian government will be disarmed and tried in world court, and then inherited by the much smaller state of Novgorod centered around Moscow.
Yes, give land to Ukraine so Russia loses access to the Black Sea, forever. That should be the price to pay.
Hell no, all the zombies there will start flooding to the rest of the country. No way.
this comment section is like the epitome of echo chambers deluding people’s sense of reality
Nicely done. I think the Donald believe he and only he is the strength in the western alliance. It’s not him. It’s the joint effort of the UK, Europe, Canada and America. It’s NOT ONE person but the strength of the commitment of those men and women that gave the ultimate sacrifice in WWII and onward pulling together the brains and brawn of ALL member States. No where did any one Nation Ever say that they run the show until now and this BS has to stop. Belarus and Hungary are working to divide the EU and Now the Donald has joined their cause. NATO and the EU need to be solidly behind Ukraine! That strength can and will push the bully back in their closet where they dream of world conquest and domination. I can’t believe that Europe is voting with Putin and Trump!
NGL, I want Russia to lose access to the black sea over this.
Doesn’t have to become ukranian land, but yes,I would give rostov to Ukraine, then give the rest to a reformed circassian state.
Does Putin plan actually give Ukraine Sevastopol!?!?! That’s wild to me? Militarily, that is probably the most sought after thing by Russia. If you told me that Russia’s plan was they give back everything BUT the port, I would believe they had a stroke and decided to be honest and straightforward. This just screams to me they proposed a deal that no one, even Russia, would accept.
The Claw of Retribution.
In my opinion russian goal is to create impression that Ukrainian rejects peace and ‘generous’ offer.
This strip of Donbas is heavily fortified and would be extremely costly for russians to capture. Simultaneously it would open path to future territorial gains.
Realistically russians won’t resign from 2014 gains and land corridor between Crimea and russia, however they should make meaningful territorial concessions.
Yeah, that’s what Ukraine needs, more russian minority.
There definitely should be a demilitarized buffer-zone within Russia as part as any peace deal.
What about Putin’s head on a stick?
Rostov and Belgorod are Ukrainian
Or expand the Sea of Azov over the yellow part of the map to make russia stay further away.
With a “promise” not to invade- unless it turns out that we decide that’s greater Ukraine
No reason for Ukraine to be straddled with russian land. What we need is:
1- Full restoration of all Ukrainian land
2- Return of ALL kidnapped and displaced Ukrainian civilians and POWs
3- Complete or near complete de-nuclearization or russia. They have shown that they are in no way responsible enough to keep them
4- Balkanization of russia. Fragment it into small states, and they have a hope of some day becoming successful states (Look at how Croatia and Slovenia are doing)
5- Restitution paid to all victims in Ukraine and beyond
6- Total removal of anyone involved in destabilization efforts outside of russia
7- Nuremberg style trials of everyone involved in war-crimes
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My proposition is that the yellow area will be a new sea instead of land, to make future invasion harder.
We don’t need their damned land, we just want them to FUCK OFF.
Just propose a buffer zones at the Ruzzian border instead. 1991 borders are enough. Ukrainians don’t want new lands as they aren’t conquerors.
I want the East and Crimea back and a goddamn razor-wire wall!
Just the old borders from early 2013 … no need for more russians on ukrainian soil
Don’t need land, but there probably needs to be something to make sure they *can’t attack*
WW2 ended with such conditions
That may be moot if Russia falls apart, lots of oppressed peoples would love to not be ruled from Moscow
Also 25km buffer zone inside Russia, so Putin has his bufferzone
As of today Russia occupies roughly 20% of Ukraine. I’d suggest that Russia give up roughly 20% of its territories, specifically the part west of the Ural Mountains, with the population in the area moved to the east of the Ural Mountains.
I would add that the Black Sea should be free of Russian warships but that won’t be possible since there is a large amount of them on the sea floor.
“New”
Seems Ukrainians just want their original land back, I’d say force Russia to return any land that is contested aside from the Ukrainian lands such as what’s going on in Georgia, the japanese Kuril islands, Kralowec, Chechnia if they still want to be independent and some that technically got ‘resolved’ like lithuanian and finnish land that got taken
I don’t think bringing an ever larger Russian minority in Ukraine is a good idea. It will only fuel another conflict in the future. Best thing would be a population swap, Russians can go back to Russia, DMZ like in Korea and good riddance.
Why doesn’t Trump just give Russia the Sudetenland while he’s at it?
https://i.redd.it/yvk21td11tjf1.gif
My advice to Zelenski for the meeting.
Hard Pass, it will take long enough to get the stink out of the occupied lands as it is. We dont need further bullshit to deal with. FUCK OFF and thats all.
Top map is exactly what was clear from day 1. Big land bridge to the black sea. Next step: free access to the Mediterranean. Sending Russian settlers in advance to have a dumb excuse for invading was obvious.
I support this, but only if Putin will be jailed forever on top!
I mean…maybe ruzzia should kick stones and Ukraine should consume ruzzia’s territory? All of it.
Oh no, no thanks. Just what’s ours (although pars of their land are ethnically Ukrainian initially)
Also, it probably comes with population, which is another no thanks for me
Old-new land, yeah
How about instead, Russia must:
– Empty Kaliningrad of all citizens and give the land over to Lithuania.
– Give Murmansk Oblast to Finland.
– Give all land south of Volgograd, the Volga River, and the Don river to a new independent Chechen state after submitting Kadyrov and his top lieutenants to the Hague for war crimes
– Cede Karelia to a new independent nation called the Republic of Karelia
– Submit Putin and his top generals and secretaries to the Hague for war crimes
– Give up all claims on the Kuril islands and cede them to Japan, and give Japan the island of Sakhalin for good measure.
– Cede all of the following to Mongolia:
– Urkutsk Oblast
– Republic of Buryatia
– Zabaykalsky Krai
– Republic of Tuva
– Altai Republic
– Cede everything else from Krasnoyarsk Krai to the east to a new nation called Siberia
Sounds fair to me.
Oh, and give back the land they stole from Ukraine, too.
It is technically historically Ukrainian land.
My own peace plan: Restore Ukraine with Crimea and give them some condolences lands, give Georgia back their lands, give Finland back their lands, give Japan all nearby russian islands, give China that bit around Manchuria, and then break all the rest of russia up into smaller states. The russian government will be disarmed and tried in world court, and then inherited by the much smaller state of Novgorod centered around Moscow.
Yes, give land to Ukraine so Russia loses access to the Black Sea, forever. That should be the price to pay.
Hell no, all the zombies there will start flooding to the rest of the country. No way.
this comment section is like the epitome of echo chambers deluding people’s sense of reality
Nicely done. I think the Donald believe he and only he is the strength in the western alliance. It’s not him. It’s the joint effort of the UK, Europe, Canada and America. It’s NOT ONE person but the strength of the commitment of those men and women that gave the ultimate sacrifice in WWII and onward pulling together the brains and brawn of ALL member States. No where did any one Nation Ever say that they run the show until now and this BS has to stop. Belarus and Hungary are working to divide the EU and Now the Donald has joined their cause. NATO and the EU need to be solidly behind Ukraine! That strength can and will push the bully back in their closet where they dream of world conquest and domination. I can’t believe that Europe is voting with Putin and Trump!
NGL, I want Russia to lose access to the black sea over this.
Doesn’t have to become ukranian land, but yes,I would give rostov to Ukraine, then give the rest to a reformed circassian state.
Does Putin plan actually give Ukraine Sevastopol!?!?! That’s wild to me? Militarily, that is probably the most sought after thing by Russia. If you told me that Russia’s plan was they give back everything BUT the port, I would believe they had a stroke and decided to be honest and straightforward. This just screams to me they proposed a deal that no one, even Russia, would accept.
The Claw of Retribution.
In my opinion russian goal is to create impression that Ukrainian rejects peace and ‘generous’ offer.
This strip of Donbas is heavily fortified and would be extremely costly for russians to capture. Simultaneously it would open path to future territorial gains.
Realistically russians won’t resign from 2014 gains and land corridor between Crimea and russia, however they should make meaningful territorial concessions.
Yeah, that’s what Ukraine needs, more russian minority.
Ukraine can get Kaliningrad as compensation
https://preview.redd.it/furmnmlpatjf1.png?width=608&format=png&auto=webp&s=fe55afbb2e4150f91cc7ea703afbfd9c4fd299e5
There definitely should be a demilitarized buffer-zone within Russia as part as any peace deal.
What about Putin’s head on a stick?
Rostov and Belgorod are Ukrainian
Or expand the Sea of Azov over the yellow part of the map to make russia stay further away.
With a “promise” not to invade- unless it turns out that we decide that’s greater Ukraine
No reason for Ukraine to be straddled with russian land. What we need is:
1- Full restoration of all Ukrainian land
2- Return of ALL kidnapped and displaced Ukrainian civilians and POWs
3- Complete or near complete de-nuclearization or russia. They have shown that they are in no way responsible enough to keep them
4- Balkanization of russia. Fragment it into small states, and they have a hope of some day becoming successful states (Look at how Croatia and Slovenia are doing)
5- Restitution paid to all victims in Ukraine and beyond
6- Total removal of anyone involved in destabilization efforts outside of russia
7- Nuremberg style trials of everyone involved in war-crimes
Just to start.
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