What could Trump’s ‘Nato-style’ security guarantee mean for Ukraine?

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  1. President Trump’s proposal of a security guarantee for Ukraine could provide a breakthrough in peace negotiations, but may equally be a false dawn, warn experts.

    President Zelensky and European leaders will press Trump on the specifics of his plan to deter future Russian aggression, during their hastily arranged meeting in Washington on Monday.

    Zelensky has said that for the guarantee to work, it must deliver “protection on land, in the air and at sea, and must be developed with Europe’s participation”.

    Steve Witkoff, Trump’s special envoy, has stated that the US could extend “Article 5-like protection”, but has yet to outline the details. Article 5 refers to Nato’s collective security contingency, whereby if a member is attacked, each member of the alliance will consider it as an attack on all of them

  2. literally nothing as Trump would never follow through on it anyway.

  3. Why is ukraines security Americas responsibility? Literally why is this our problem? Why is no one asking Canada or France or Brazil or Indonesia to be the guaranteer of Ukraine’s independence?

  5. A security guarantee could actually move the needle. But why should Zelensky trust Trump? Trump hasn’t been good on other deals he signed.

  6. It means Europe really does need to get its houses in order.

  7. What does any promise by Trump mean? It’s literally not worth the sharpie it’s signed with.

  8. Its meaningless. The word of Donald Trump is worth nothing.

  9. What we need is a new alliance with willing countries (including Ukraine and Canada, and excluding Hungary, Austria etc) that pledge to raise defense spending to 5% for at least the next 10 years. And vow to allocate 20% of the national defense budgets to any country of the alliance that is under attack. That would free up money for Ukraine right away, while not committing troops in a war zone.

    Defense spending should focus on developing own military industries, working closely together within the alliance.

    If the US wants to join, they too would need to free up 20% of their defense budget for Ukraine.

  10. NATO can give security guarantees if Russia attacks again NATO will get involved. If there is not strong security guarantees Russia will likely attack again.

  11. “NATO-Style” and “Article 5 Like protections.” 

    Seems like those qualifiers are doing a lot of heavy lifting. 

  12. While I am hesitant at Trump’s open ended, lack of commitment language…I admire the attempts to give Russia an out with honour. Russia will obviously need to be able to claim to it’s people that it ‘won’. This strategy (of categorically no NATO membership) give them that.

  13. I’m an American don’t trust trump anyway. Join NATO
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  14. Europe and the US could have given Ukraine a security guarantee without any agreement at any time since the war started. But they have shown no interest in following through with that.

  15. Completely depends on the language, considering it was Witkoff who said Russia would permit a security guarantee, I wouldn’t put much credit behind it. Why? Well this is the same man who preferred to rely on a Moscow supplied translator and hope the translations were accurate rather than use his own.

  16. Perhaps this is just a compromise by the West to avoid admitting defeated. Either way, it’s something that should have been done from the very beginning.

    As for a “security guarantee” I cannot see how it goes beyond what the US and EU have already been providing Ukraine. Troops on the ground are clearly off the table, since that would escalate the war and drag more countries into direct conflict with Russia.

    They say “Article 5-ish guarantee” but practically, this is no different from the military aid Ukraine has already been receiving for the past 2 years. Unless they are proposing to send real troops, this doesn’t add anything new. Of course Putin would agree to this, its basically a surrender.

  17. A nato style guarantee will most likely only extend the us nuclear umbrella, the us won’t do anything else. Europe would need to provide the actual labor and tripwire forces.

  19. empty words really, another budapest or minsk or whatever

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