Zelensky says he will discuss territory with Putin as Ukraine signals readiness for unconditional peace talks with Russia

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1. ‘unconditional’?

2. More on this subject from other reputable sources:

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   – Nikkei Asia (B): [Trump tells Zelenskyy that Putin wants more territory, urges Kyiv make deal](https://asia.nikkei.com/politics/ukraine-war/trump-tells-zelenskyy-that-putin-wants-more-territory-urges-kyiv-make-deal)
   – Sydney Morning Herald (B+): [Europe on edge as Trump risks his biggest TACO moment](https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/europe-on-edge-as-trump-risks-his-biggest-taco-moment-20250816-p5mngl.html)
   – Axios (B+): [Trump-Zelensky summit: The suit question, again](https://www.axios.com/2025/08/18/trump-zelensky-summit-suit-jacket)
   – France 24 (A-): [Europe scrambles for response after Trump-Putin talks upend Ukraine ceasefire push](https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20250817-europe-scrambles-for-response-after-trump-putin-talks-upend-ukraine-ceasefire-push)

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3. How much novichok will Putin be bringing to this meeting.

4. So he is ready to accept that some territories will be de-facto Russian without Ukraine trying to get them back for an extended period of time, but never officially cede them.

   Putin is going to try and get him to cede Crimea at the very least.

   I think in the end Putin is going to drop the official cede demands in exchange for dropping sanctions, dropping demands for reparations and everything else.

   This should’ve been agreed on in Istanbul in 2022, three years of war were completely needless and are going to make Ukraine lose more territory in the end too.

5. To say “no”, you need to talk.

   This is one way to unite Ukraine, just allow the Verkhova Rada vote on it, and eventually give the “no”.

   Then it won’t all be on Zelenskyy’s shoulders.

6. When there is peace, europe has a lot more leeway to tell Trump to go fuck himself.

7. So it seems that the current plan is: Zelensky/putin meeting -> Zelensky/Trump/putin meeting -> peace deal

   I think the likelihood of that working out is very low. Very high chance that putin will chicken out of meeting with Zelensky and just drag it out trying to organise all kinds of lower level meetings.

   Even if if meetings happen, russia will not accept the security guarantees and neither will agree to give up land.

8. He waited until those new Missiles with the 3000km range was unveiled then he signaled he’s ready to talk. Nice move Ukraine 🇺🇦

9. Fuck Putin.

   He looks strong with Trump sucking his terrorist balls, but the truth remains.

   Russia is broke. Russia cannot win this war alone. Russia cannot advance much more than they have without help. Trump is trying to give a win to Russia in a stalemate. Trump wants to reward war crimes.

   Least American fucking thing ever. I loathe what this con man traitor has done to America and the world at large. The most obvious self-own in history and the end of American exceptionalism. Shameful doesn’t come close.

10. Putin: “Give me everything!”

    Zelensky: “No”

    and

    Zelensky: “Please leave?”

    Putin: “No”

    And that’s a standstill, just like the war. And that’s a good thing.

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