Starmer: Leaving ECHR puts UK ‘on par with Russia and Belarus’

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1. Not quite, unlike Russia we haven’t rolled our tanks into a foreign country…like Ireland

2. The Online Safety Act is something that puts us on par with Russia and Belarus in terms of censorship.

3. Its rich that starmer is saying this while allowing bigot groups create their own legal loopholes to discriminate against a group of people.

4. That’s just a lie. I don’t want to leave the ECHR but the ECHR was not implemented into UK law until 1998. Did we have no human rights before that?

   Why does our media lie so much.

5. The argument is how can we criticise other countries for human rights abuses if we don’t hold ourselves to the very highest standards.

   But the reality is that nobody gives a damn whether we criticise them or not. The global south just sees us as the old colonial power that not very long ago invaded Iraq on false pretences.

6. Oh yeah before the ECHR we were basically living in the purge.

7. This is the one time I think I actually agree with him. Leaving the ECHR is just such a remarkably stupid move.

   I understand WHY people want to do it, mostly around allowing us to remove unwanted immigrants.

   But to do so is allowing the government to strip you away of all human rights and trusting them to give you the good ones back.

   So the only question you should be asking yourself here is, do you trust the government?

8. He’s right.

   For anyone who believes otherwise, read this: [European Convention on Human Rights](https://www.echr.coe.int/documents/d/echr/convention_ENG) and tell us exactly which right (s) you’d want to remove for yourself.

   Racists will be angry, as per usual.

   Edit: And stop comparing a potentially Reform-led UK outside the ECHR to Australia, New Zealand, Canada or South Korea. None of these countries have gotten rid of their domestic human rights laws, while our boy Nigel Farage is trying to get rid of ours along with the ECHR.

   New Zealand also incorporates Maori culture and traditional social/environmental values into its human rights laws. We have nothing like that to fall back on here.

   Nigel wants to scrap human rights so that we can be turned into peasants in a neo-feudal hellscape.

9. Keeping ECHR puts us on par with Afghanistan once all of them have come here

10. So then Mr Stamer, what were we enduring before the EHRC?

11. He’s 100% right on this as much as I disagree with lots of what he says/does.

12. Fuck around and find out. ECHR has been abused by our courts, gone against the will of the people and parliament has not had the balls to fix it. It’s as good as gone 2029 and you can all blame labour and conservatives.

13. And the United States, Canada, Brazil, and Australia.

14. You can leave it, and create an equivalent British Bill of Rights with only the parts you care about, you muppet. Do a copy&paste of the whole thing, and remove parts about asylum seekers, etc. Kill the immigration topic dead. Don’t give Reform a chance to be elected. They are a single issue party.

15. Whilst we’re at it, what about that Online Safety Act?

16. UK is a country where believe rule of law. And rule of law is not just about any legal convention or clauses. It is about the whole system.

17. Human rights aren’t the problem. But since we will try and thing except for fixing the problem, and since Starmer is at the head of the “do nothing and then wonder why nothing is done” brigade, he can fix this one himself

18. don’t we have this enshrined in uk law already? just amend ours to let us jettison the migrants we don’t want and leave the eu one

19. Staying in it puts us on par with Afghanistan and Pakistan.

20. UK Online safety act puts us on par with russia, belarus, china and north korea terms…

21. But mass facial recognition and id verification online doesn’t put us on par with China?

22. The thing is people who are pro leaving the ECHR frame it as laws and their argument is “wE aLrEAdY hAvE tHiS lAw”…… what they’re missing is that yes we have the Human Rights Act, The Equality Act, The Children’s Act etc, but what we don’t have is a protective agreement that allows collective countries to intervene in abuses which we as U.K. society may be subjected to by both U.K. Government, and Courts…… that is something we should never give up, because when it’s lost, we’ll never get it back…… and these silly online safety bills, facial recognition bills, I think will eventually end up in the ECHR. 

    The notion that one of the most powerful political figures in the U.K. supports remaining in that, speaks much bigger volumes about his character over the dog whistlers who want to leave.

23. Imagine actually defending Farage in wanting to strip us of our rights.

    An absolutely traitors act, wanting to strip the rights of your whole country (because a tiny % of asylum seekers look for protection under this act), this should be end of Farage, but as can see from these comments people are actually defending Farage’s stance.

24. Only 46 countries are in the ECHR. Are we saying that Australia, Japan, US, Mexico, Canada I could go on are all on par with Russia and Belarus? Why not leave it and create a bill that is inshrined in law that is adjusted to this changing world that WE can then amend as we see fit. Why is it everyone wants change to better the country but when it comes to it no one actually wants to do any change?

25. by addressing it he puts it into the public consciousness. this can’t be good.

26. I understand starters point so okay make a positive improvement to people’s lives and start going in the right direction because Labour are losing yhe next election as it stands and this Labour government are not that much better than the tories so far.

27. The ECHR never stopped the Russian government regularly murdering journalists, politicians and rigging every election either.

28. Finally – he speaks! Labour seriously need to step up their comms and go on the attack more.

    There are sensible reasons for the policies they’re pursuing and supposedly looking into pursuing.

    Time to nut up already if we still want a functioning democracy and not some fascist police state in the next decade or so.

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