Surprise considering Marin destroyed the economy and no tech work available
I’m a data scientist and my salary has pretty much been stagnant for about 3 years at the salary I’ve started with, no matter how much I demonstrate my skills. I’ve been trying to job hop but looks like it’s impossible, and I don’t understand if the job market is shit for everyone, or just with people with foreign names (I’m European by the way). If I could leave, I’d do it immediately.
The struggle is real, and why I left after 6 years working in Finland. 🙁
Miss many things about living in Finland, but it’s very difficult to move up in your career as a foreigner in Finland. I wouldn’t label this as anything, cause I don’t want to victimize myself – just that I think the language difficulty(and other cultural barriers) make it very difficult to integrate and open up opportunities in your career. 🙁
Understandable. Finland has a big jealousy problem, where success is punished. By taxes or by other fees. It is really true what they say. A Finnish person would pay 50€ so that their neighbour gets 100€ less. A big chunk of the country (and political parties) seems to concentrate on making sure everybody is equally miserable, instead of trying to lift up everybody. So people who move abroad to better their lives and have ambition are not going to stay in such a negative climate. They will go where they get better chances to succeed.
The word “tech” is lost in translation here.
The Finnish organization TEK represents both traditional “nuts and bolts” engineers and “silicon valley” types of experts in software and digital electronics. Using the word “tech” implies the latter only.
I’m pretty sure you can cross over the word “international”, and this still holds true.
Few years ago I thought that if I was younger I’d look for work outside Finland. Now I am a couple years older and I am much more open to the idea of moving to any other Nordic country or maybe even Netherlands.
Not good environment for growing, salary is lagging behind while taxation is becoming a burden, quality of life isn’t as good as it’s used to be, and most of all boring country (sorry but it’s true) compare to other big country. A lot of my friends moved away down central and south europe. I’m planning the same
Many of the locals don’t plan to stay either, when there are better opportunities elsewhere.
If you are living in Finland and you have the opportunity and your circumstances permit it, you should take the opportunity and work somewhere else. If for no other reason but the experience. There will be no “reward” for staying for some perceived sense of loyalty to a country. If you are aiming for permanent residence permit than that’s another thing, but it is doubtful that the Finnish economy gets out of the current mess anytime soon.
And generally if you reside in Europe or are a citizen of Finland, you can always visit whenever you like anyway.
The language barrier is a big issue, yes I could and want to learn Finnish. But at the same time, why would I learn a language for fluency in 3-5 years, to then have the recruiter ask why I wasted five years?
(I am a Swedish 15+ years experienced developer)
EDIT: Clarification, what I mean is that I would need to study the language full time (at university) for these years.
EDIT 2: It might seem that I am not willing to learn the language, I am doing that at the moment. But the only way to reach fluency in a shorter time frame would be to do nothing but learning. In my case that would mean I would use tax money to do that, instead of just working and learning the language side by side.
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Surprise considering Marin destroyed the economy and no tech work available
I’m a data scientist and my salary has pretty much been stagnant for about 3 years at the salary I’ve started with, no matter how much I demonstrate my skills. I’ve been trying to job hop but looks like it’s impossible, and I don’t understand if the job market is shit for everyone, or just with people with foreign names (I’m European by the way). If I could leave, I’d do it immediately.
The struggle is real, and why I left after 6 years working in Finland. 🙁
Miss many things about living in Finland, but it’s very difficult to move up in your career as a foreigner in Finland. I wouldn’t label this as anything, cause I don’t want to victimize myself – just that I think the language difficulty(and other cultural barriers) make it very difficult to integrate and open up opportunities in your career. 🙁
Understandable. Finland has a big jealousy problem, where success is punished. By taxes or by other fees. It is really true what they say. A Finnish person would pay 50€ so that their neighbour gets 100€ less. A big chunk of the country (and political parties) seems to concentrate on making sure everybody is equally miserable, instead of trying to lift up everybody. So people who move abroad to better their lives and have ambition are not going to stay in such a negative climate. They will go where they get better chances to succeed.
The word “tech” is lost in translation here.
The Finnish organization TEK represents both traditional “nuts and bolts” engineers and “silicon valley” types of experts in software and digital electronics. Using the word “tech” implies the latter only.
I’m pretty sure you can cross over the word “international”, and this still holds true.
Few years ago I thought that if I was younger I’d look for work outside Finland. Now I am a couple years older and I am much more open to the idea of moving to any other Nordic country or maybe even Netherlands.
Curious how austerity increases brain drain.
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Not good environment for growing, salary is lagging behind while taxation is becoming a burden, quality of life isn’t as good as it’s used to be, and most of all boring country (sorry but it’s true) compare to other big country. A lot of my friends moved away down central and south europe. I’m planning the same
Many of the locals don’t plan to stay either, when there are better opportunities elsewhere.
If you are living in Finland and you have the opportunity and your circumstances permit it, you should take the opportunity and work somewhere else. If for no other reason but the experience. There will be no “reward” for staying for some perceived sense of loyalty to a country. If you are aiming for permanent residence permit than that’s another thing, but it is doubtful that the Finnish economy gets out of the current mess anytime soon.
And generally if you reside in Europe or are a citizen of Finland, you can always visit whenever you like anyway.
The language barrier is a big issue, yes I could and want to learn Finnish. But at the same time, why would I learn a language for fluency in 3-5 years, to then have the recruiter ask why I wasted five years?
(I am a Swedish 15+ years experienced developer)
EDIT: Clarification, what I mean is that I would need to study the language full time (at university) for these years.
EDIT 2: It might seem that I am not willing to learn the language, I am doing that at the moment. But the only way to reach fluency in a shorter time frame would be to do nothing but learning. In my case that would mean I would use tax money to do that, instead of just working and learning the language side by side.
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