‘Sick and inhumane’: student who got maximum Leaving Cert points loses out on course over random selection
by Banania2020
‘Sick and inhumane’: student who got maximum Leaving Cert points loses out on course over random selection
by Banania2020
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no its not “inhumane” , inhumane means specific things , its not this ,
welcome to life , nothing is perfect
Everyone else got the same points as them for the course so it’s as fair as it can be
The fucking reek of _notions_ off this one
“Nobody’s future should be decided by a lottery”…..o boy, that student is in for quite a few surprises in life…..
come on guys, have a bit of empathy, he has to go to UCD instead of trinity, and will miss out on “being surrounded by “like-minded, high-achieving individuals””, isn’t that just horrible
the title had me thinking he missed out on all courses, but no he got his second choice instead of the first, the horror
Fucking hell they’re making it sound like a war crime, you get articles like this every year and they never mention that they pretty much always get the course as the rounds go on.
That being said I think they should use a different tie breaker, adding up the 6 best percentage points would be my suggestion
“sick and inhumane”. Ah here. give over
Everyone’s on about notions etc. the purpose of the state exam is to differentiate out the bell curve. If getting maximum points doesn’t guarantee you a place in a course then the exams aren’t hard enough. The points creep seems to have been crazy since Covid.
It’s very simple, make the exams harder, less people get max points.
“Amid lowering grade inflation, they expected the use of random selection to be less common this year, though there was no change in the number of courses using it.”
So they knew that random selection was a thing with this particular course when applying for it. Can’t really spit the dummy afterwards just because you weren’t one of the randomly selected.
Relevant
>The student had hoped to study management science and information systems studies at Trinity College Dublin, **a highly sought-after course** and one of just two nationwide that **required both maximum points and random selection.**
They must have known going in there was a chance they wouldn’t get it and that it was highly sought after. Not to mention everyone who did get it also had maximum leaving cert points.
There’s no mention in the article if they applied for the other course in another location so it really seems they’re salty about not getting into Trinity.
All of that insufferable melodrama over a wanky bullshit corporate consultancy incubator course like MSISS
This person is obviously very intelligent and hard working, but some of the arguments here are a bit disingenuous.
“The student subsequently discovered that some accepted to the course achieved six H1s in contrast to their eight.”
– unless things have changed to the points system is it not only your 6 best subjects anyway, so this isn’t relevant.
Also saying others didn’t deserve to be there because of grade inflation – what is to say they didn’t also benefit from this (albeit to a lesser degree this year).
It’s absolutely ridiculous someone could get a perfect score and not get the course of their choosing, but the anger should be directed at not providing enough places in high demand courses rather than the allocation of said places. It would be worse to go towards the US system of interviews and providing proof of extra curricular activites etc.
Logically I know teenagers don’t have the life experience to know that that’s life, or that in many cases it doesn’t matter what your undergrad degree is, as people chop & change, re-qualify in other areas, or you know, if you’re competent & resourceful, you can end up working in a wide range of sectors, but still, the ‘sick and inhumane’ line is ridiculous.
Some of these top mark, high-achieving types, would do well to fail an exam or just do OK from time to time & see that the sky doesn’t fall in if you aren’t perfect & don’t always get what you want.
I’d love a follow up on all those who got max points five or ten years later. It’s your whole world when you’re that age but I’m sure they’re not all dazzling achievers forever.
Purely anecdotal but I know some people I was in college with who got very high points were burned out by Christmas of first year and aren’t the high flyers you’d expect.
I had a 20 year college reunion last year and most of us are in areas related to the degree and in fairly average jobs. At 18 or 19 it’s hard to see beyond the degree title and institution though.
“It feels like the Irish education system has failed me instead of fostering me. It took me in and spat me right back out again after all the hard work.”
Jesus Christ. They are going to be a delight to work with in the future. Considerations to everyone at KPMG having to be managed by them.
The irony of a future management scientist immediately wanting to speak to the manager
Problem solved. Welcome in, Factna Eight A1s
He might have gotten max points in 8 subjects. But zero points in ROCK and Sticking to the MAN!!!
While I do feel for this young lad there is no alternative. The fact he got 8 H1s doesn’t matter as the CAO only takes your best 6 subjects. Unfortunately sometimes life isn’t fair
“Sick” is a bit dramatic. It’s rough, all the same.
So hang on, he knew part of the criteria was random selection. But he was so sure he was gonna get it anyway?
Fuck off.
> The student had hoped to study management science and information systems studies at Trinity College Dublin, a highly sought-after course and one of just two nationwide that **required both maximum points and random selection.**
So the headline here is “student applies for course that requires random selection, does not get randomly selected”.
Pretty bizarre that this course is the most desirable in the country. The academic discipline of management hardly needs our best students
Surely they were aware of this possibility beforehand. I doubt the CAO system was a mystery to someone getting 8 H1’s in the Leaving.
The CAO has always done this. It’s nothing new. The idea is that it’s fairer than doing some arbitrary ranking based on some other criteria.
The system as it stands is about as fair and objective as it gets. If you’ve got multiple people with exactly the same qualifications and points, I’m not really sure what else they can do that’s any fairer.
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I’m very curious how this story got published. Did someone email the IT editor saying my son didn’t get the course he wanted? Holy shit, stop the presses, this is news. We were going to do a deep dive on corporate sponsorship of the IDF but this is something people need to know about.
I honestly don’t think most people would get a reply to that email never mind a published article in the “paper of record”.
So what that leaves you with is a friends (of the editor or journalist) child missed out on their 1st CAO choice & daddy kicked up a stink or <whisper it> the sourceless article is made up.
> The student had hoped to study management science and information systems studies at Trinity College Dublin, a highly sought-after course and one of just two nationwide that required both maximum points and random selection.
It’s a shit situation but like they knew before hand it was a random selected course.
Which of the other students who got the exact same points as him, does he think he deserves it more than?
What can you even say to that kid
“Congrats you learned a valuable life lesson before all your peers”
I feel bad for them but some of they quotes are woof
>“Knowing that all these years of intense, hard work were shattered by an outdated, cruel and completely unfair place-allocation system was simply heartbreaking. Nobody’s future should be decided by a lottery.”
>The student subsequently discovered that some accepted to the course achieved six H1s in contrast to their eight.
>“The lottery system is sick, inhumane and disadvantageous for so many high-achieving students,” they said
>”It feels like the Irish education system has failed me instead of fostering me. It took me in and spat me right back out again after all the hard work.”
>“Although they were offered their second preference, they said one of the advantages of their first choice was being surrounded by “like-minded, high-achieving individuals”.
>“I could have received all H2s and still made the requirements for my second choice. What was all the hard work to achieve high results for?”
I really hope they check themselves after they get over the disappointment because that attitude is going to bring a world of pain their way.
There was a young woman and her father featured in the paper last year complaining about the lottery system, where did she end up, or people from previous years, newspaper so rarely follow up their stories.
My biggest shock reading this is why on earth is MSISS 625 points.
As for the kid – it’s hard to be too tough on him given his age / if is a difficult situation. However reading the article, it does feel like maybe this will act as an important life lesson for them, because my god aren’t they dramatic
I initially felt bad for them because to be fair they probably worked extremely hard and did everything that was asked of them and still came up short. We’ve probably all been in that situation at some stage in our life.
But I lost all empathy when I read the article. If you react this badly to something like this which you think is unfair I’ve got horrible news for you if you’re thinking of pursuing any kind of career in a field with a lot of high achievers
The entitlement reeks, hopefully they have learnt a lesson
*”Sick and inhumane.”*
Take a breath, poindexter.
It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life. -JLP
A shit thing to happen. To call it “inhumane” is a bit much, though
Entitled brat 😂😂😂 a course they knew was highly sought after and random selection for entry, then they’re shocked when they don’t get randomly selected??? They know how the system works, so getting 8 H1s is irrelevant when they only count 6 subjects anyway, so they’re on an equal playing field to the person who got in with 6 H1s, and they’re just being arrogant because they’ve probably never been told “no” in their lives. That’s life, granted it’s shit after working hard, but it’s a tad dramatic to call it “sick and inhumane”. They clearly don’t realise that the fact that they were afforded the luxury of (presumably) attending a very nice school and getting very expensive grinds and having a head start in life compared to most, is also a lottery.
I wouldn’t agree with that at all.
7H1s isn’t better than 6H1s, they’re both equally impressive. I don’t see the point in adding more pressure onto kids.
What are they supposed to have done instead though? If you have more qualified applicants than places and all applicants are equally qualified, how can you determine who gets a place except randomly? Otherwise it’s stuff like paying for a place, or blackmailing someone to give you a place
Working hard for 6 years straight. I assumed it was a given that I’d be selected, because random selection surely does not apply to me. I won’t insult the kid but I will call their parents utter knobheads for engraining this sense of entitlement in their children.
Nothing wrong happened here.
“Nobody’s future should be decided by a lottery”
Says young man who was randomly born in in one of the richest countries in the world, to a family who could afford to send him to a private school and had the time and financial resources that he needed to help him achieve maximum points in the Leaving Cert.
Life is a lottery, buddy, and you applied *knowing* that entry to this course was one too.
“Bad things shouldn’t happen to *me*!!!”
I feel for the student, clearly had their eyes set on that course, but competition is fierce in Ireland and luckily there are plenty of other top courses that they can get.
I’d question the point of articles like these, other than easy clicks, but our system largely works very well imo, each LC student has a pretty good chance of getting into third-level and we have courses with high-levels of specialization as well as those who aren’t entirely sure what they want to do later in life.
There’s also ample opportunity to come back to the LC later in life, too.
A non-story.
At first I read this as “Sick and inhumane student” and was wondering what they did wrong and why we should be upset they lost out on a course.
I’m trying to stay fair here to the student but really they’ve just gotten an early look at how tough life is. Hard work doesn’t stop or start at LC. Get over it. Particularly because you knew there was going to be a lottery. Going on about “2025s inflates grades” really makes you look like a bell end and loses all sympathy I had left.
The really interesting thing about students like this is that college is often a wake-up call. They go from always being top of their class, a golden child, to being in a course full of equals, and some of them don’t handle it all that well. Especially if being perceived as super-smart is core to their identity.
Maybe it’s a good thing that Mr Entitled is getting his first lesson in being a small fish in a big pond before he ever steps foot in a university class. Trouble is, he doesn’t seem to be absorbing the lesson.
If this kid thinks the CAO selection process is “sick and inhumane”, then working life, rent, and taxes in this country are going to hit them like a goddamn freight train.
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