British baby dies from whooping cough as vaccination rates fall | Whooping cough | The Guardian

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1. This is the consequence of anti-vax discourse.

   Personally I’d rather take a vaccine and have an autistic kid ( if this wasn’t a brain dead lie) than a dead kid.

2. Well done, anti-vax nutters!

   How many dead babies do your conspiracies and lies need?

3. It’s interesting how anti vax has moved right across the political spectrum.

   When I was kid my friends hippyish mum didn’t let him have any vaccines in school (to be fair she let him decide but what kids going to opt for a needle) and I remember my dad (typical right winger) saying she was disgusting for not protecting her kids.

   Now my dad is totally anti vaccine, only since Covid of course, and my friend mum couldn’t be more pro vaccine and masks when we had them.

4. I genuinely thought anti-vax was just an American thing. (I’m American.)

5. It’s only 13 years since 14 babies too young to be vaccinated died of whooping cough in UK, and the pregnancy booster was rolled out as a response.

   People’s memories are tragically short

6. Stupid is as stupid does.

7. Here comes the propaganda

8. The worst thing for trust in vaccines was the COVID-19 vaccines.

   Hear me out.

   Vaccine development normally takes 10-15 years. This is years of development, testing, and monitoring to understand the efficacy, as well as short-term and long-term consequences. Not just that, but coronaviruses mutate very quickly, which is why it’s very difficult to create a vaccine for them.

   There were a mumber of red flags when it came to the vaccines for COVID-19.

   1. They were developed and distributed in under a year.
   2. They were developed using novel technology.
   3. There were a lot of nasty side effects due to taking the vaccine.
   4. Despite being vaccinated, you could still get infected with, and transmit, COVID-19.

   Now, these are genuine concerns. Especially the last one which suggests that the vaccine isn’t actually a vaccine. But the answer people got when asking questions was “shut up and stop being an anti-vaxer.” Such an answer does not inspire confidence, quite the opposite.

   Now, I’ve had more than the usual vaccines one gets in the UK (I get a tetanus jab every 10 years, and I’ve had a number of vaccines cause I went and visited family in Zambia long before COVID). And I have had 3 COVID-19 shots in, purely to visit family in Switzerland, as well as my mother whom is immunocompromised. And I wish I hadn’t.

9. They have a built in rhetorical defence for this kind of news story though:

   “The media are liars, they will lie about dead babies to get us to take poison vaccines”

   The propaganda has done a number on quite a few people now and they don’t trust anything that comes from an authority or the mainstream. There is no stopping this.

10. This is parental negligence. 

11. Good. People like that need to feel the consequences of their own stupidity

12. It makes me angry how can parents not want to protect their kids.Vaccines save lives you just have to look in graveyards of kids and babies who died from diphtheria,measles and Polio.We had all but eliminated measles now there are outbreaks it is very rare to have allergies to vaccines and kids who can’t have them rely on others for their immunity.When my children was small there was the Andrew Wakefield scandal but I had a friend go blind because of measles and that made me protect mine.

13. Sadly the fact that everyone was vaccinated and diseases were eradicated made most people forget how bad it was before vaccines and how many children/adults died of preventable diseases. Add in the internet where everyone is an MD and sprinkle in Facebook Qanon groups and you have a gigantic mess.

    Looks like we have to go back to the days where children died long horrible deaths and were crippled by polio and tuberculosis before these idiots will understand. And FYI, autism’s always been around. When I was a child we called it intellectual disabilities or ADHD.

14. At what point do we say Im sorry but you dont get a say, your child deserves to be protected from awful diseases and just because their parents are morons doesn’t mean they should have to go without?

15. Vivv

16. I’ve got a friend who turned anti vax since Covid. Comes out with the usual rubbish. We got into quite a heated argument when I reminded him the time he got Botox injected into his armpits so he’d stop sweating so bad. Or when he wanted to go travelling and had all the injections he needed. Or the amount I’ve times weve been on a night out and I watched him snort or take something from a guy he’s never met before.

17. Notice how the same people fretting about ‘muh birth rates’ are the same ones denying life saving vaccines to babies.

18. Any child that presents at the GP presumably has their record checked as part of the consultation. Given doctors are, one hopes, clued up on this stuff, they should be interrogoting the parents as to why their child has not been vaccinated. Should the patent imply anything other than a solid reason I can’t think of, a referral to social services should be made for parental neglect, and should the patent relent the child can be vaccinated there and then.

    Why we allow negligent parents to dick about is beyond me.

19. The parents: “It didn’t die because of the whooping cough, it just had whooping cough in it’s body 🤗!”

20. >Almost one in five children starting primary school this week in England are not fully protected from diseases including whooping cough, polio, tetanus and diphtheria. 

    This really shocked me. It’s just so sad, that anti vax sentiment spread so much. And those children has no choice but take a gamble with their health, as well as endangering others who may be vulnerable.

21. Hear me out I don’t think it’s just the anti-vax movement.
    Last week I got a text saying my kid needed her school vaccines. No problem — I booked the appointment. She starts school next week, so we went along, only to be told off by the nurse who asked, “Any reason why you’re so late for these?”

    I replied, “I haven’t received any notification beforehand no text, no letter, nothing. This is my first and only child, so I don’t know when she needs these injections until I’m notified.”

    She then apologised, but it got me thinking with the state of the NHS right now, I bet a ton of parents haven’t been notified about vaccines.

22. Poor little mite. What a horrible way to die.

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