Chat Control: The list of countries opposing the law grows, but support remains strong

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1. > While Germany, another decisive vote to either block or back the bill, may be considering abstaining from taking a position. This is something that will weaken the Danish mandate, “even if the Presidency gets the required votes to pass,” explains TechRadar’s source.

   Germany might be planning to support the proposal indirectly by abstaining for some insane reason.

   If you live in Germany, you should be messaging your leaders and telling them that abstaining is unacceptable: https://fightchatcontrol.eu/

2. So we might get enough opposition to block it this time, but not enough to prevent another round of lobbying and voting until it passes.

3. This is a 1984 style bill?

4. Chat control is one of the good things EU is trying to do. Protecting the children shouldn’t be a political issue. Indeed, the legislation enjoys broad nonpartisan support.

5. Even if it passes in the European Commission, it still needs ti be voted by the European Parliament and then judged by the European Court. The article makes it seem like if approved by the EC it will immediately go into law.

6. The Dutch Constitution protects fundamental rights, such as freedom of expression (Art. 7), privacy (Art. 10), confidentiality of correspondence (Art. 13), and the secrecy of the vote, through an extremely rigorous procedure.

   A constitutional amendment in the Netherlands requires two rounds of voting in two parliamentary terms, with a two-thirds majority.

   This mechanism has existed since the creation of the current Constitution in 1815/1848 and was deliberately designed as such to prevent temporary political majorities from altering the foundations of the rule of law and civil rights.

   The purpose of this rigorous procedure is therefore to keep fundamental rights stable and robust and to safeguard them so that they cannot be eroded by short-lived political pressure or popular opinion.

   At the same time, this emphasizes the sharp contrast with recent European developments.  EU institutions can relatively quickly introduce legislation affecting national fundamental rights without the Dutch checks and balances mechanism being able to exercise a veto beforehand, thus creating a fundamental contradiction between age-old, slow-to-amend national protections and rapid, sometimes untested European intervention.

   In this way, EU legislation, such as the proposed CSAR (Chat Control), can directly undermine our Dutch fundamental rights by imposing mass surveillance or curtailing anonymity, without a comparable democratic safeguard such as the constitutionally enshrined two-step procedure requiring a two-thirds majority in two parliamentary terms, which is required in the Netherlands to amend or protect fundamental rights.

   Fuck that shit

7. The only way I’ll accept this rule the way it is formulated to indeed protect children, is by *not* having it exclude officers, lawmakers, politicians and diplomats like the way it is currently iterated. Wake up already, catholic priest memes exist for a reason and the united states are run by an alleged rapist that refuses to release the proof material. Equal laws for everyone no matter social status is the foundation of our success as a society.

8. So we left socialism 30 years ago….to go to another socialist union 30 years later…nice

9. Really Germany? Abstaining from this vote is literally the most bitch made bullshit I’ve ever heard.

10. >support remains strong

    From whom, if I might ask?

11. My god, the name of that bill just feels like the populists asked ChatGPT to formulate it like Trump would have done. How is there not more uproar? Decrypting secure messaging networks is a recipe for disaster. At some point it will be leaked and research shows that too much data for institutions uncovering illegal activities can be detrimental to efficiency. It is just a blatant attempt to normalise constant civil monotoring…

12. Europe used to pride themselves on privacy and consumer protections. What happened?

13. We need the people in the countries supporting it to apply pressure on their governments. This cannot be allowed to pass.

14. In Spain we have the following situation: The Goverment and part of the opposition is in favour because many people, journalists and specially politicians are being harassed since multiple years ago, specially by neonazis, Vox supporters AND Vox politicians (sic).

    Which worsens the situation, is that only Vox voted against so far. And guessing how the minds of the politicans work, I seriously doubt that Spain opposes the act.

    Maybe I’ll end up mistaken. Maybe some people are contacting and trying to convince other political parties. I don’t know. Here in Spain Reddit isn’t so known as other forums.

15. Just the fact that something like this is even suggested, means that democracy has now become a dictatorship.

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