“But he did a bad thing! He did a bad thing for our country! He farted while visiting the King he did!”
Wasn’t Rudakubana born to immigrants, though? Who moved to the country in the 1990s.
Whereas Disraeli’s grandfather moved to England in the mid-18th century, more than 100 years before Disraeli himself became prime minister.
To say that Disraeli’s family was more Anglicised that Rudakubana’s seems like a fair statement – even if it is *also* true that people have a general tendency to claim people who are celebrated for their own ethnic group and conveniently try to exclude or disown those who become notorious.
In short, it’s fair to note the hypocrisy in pointing out how very foreign anyone of an immigrant background is when they do something shitty while trying to claim celebrities/heroes for the Home team – but for the comparison, you might want to pick a famous or beloved Briton who is or was also directly the son or daughter of immigrants to Britain.
Axel is a monster
This sub is going to the shitter, how anyone could class this as a meme is beyond me.
This is the sort of shite I would post if I was a right winger pretending to be a leftist in order to discredit the left and make them seem like complete arseholes
FML, the Disraeli obsessed weirdo is back
Oh no the Disraeli posting is breaking containment!
I wasn’t born here, I’m British though, also my great grandfather on my maternal side was a Scotsman.
Edit: which begs the question if a person has British parents but said person was born in another country and grew up there are they not British?
As an Englishmen I accept all into this country on one condition, they integrate with the English. It’s not about being white or born on this land, it’s about being part of this land, being part of this land culture and being part of this lands society. You can keep your religion and traditions and culture and language but learn English, share your culture take on our culture and be part of us.
God what a terrible post to start the day with.
What a stupid quote. GB is built on so many great contributions, both native born and those from overseas that want to participate in the greater good.
Axel the cunt, that knifed 3 young girls to death and recently violently attacked a prison officer is not a participating member of society.
Most of us that live in the UK have grown up with immigration. I grew up in Birmingham in the 80s and 90s and my friends both inside and outside school were from all over, Kenya, Pakistan, Hong Kong, India, Bangladesh. Good families that made the effort to learn the language, work and wanted to integrate at the same time as keeping hold of their culture that made them special and us as well.
Non-participating immigration; no interest in learning the language, look down on us for following a different religion or no religion at all, backward views on women as 2nd class citizens can fuck right off.
Edit: To all of you that want to argue with me that the Catholic church also treats women like shit or there are plenty of British men that have backward violent views on women, yes you are right, whilst at the same time completely missing the point. This is not a comparison exercise where we judge who is the worst. I will stand by my comment, that it is a false equivalence arguing that the Catholic church is bad for not allowing female priests when you literally have several countries in the world that see it as acceptable to marry children off to adult men. More than two issues can be wrong and judged on that basis at the same time.
Edit 2: I appreciate the traction that this comment has got and I’m happy to debate my views with anybody else that is open-minded out there. Unfortunately, that is naive of me as that is not the way the world works, at least the Reddit world. I would like to see myself as fairly open-minded and understand that immigration is a complex issue that entices a lot of debate. It is not a black and white world, there is always nuance, so I’m struggling to understand why so many people need to see it as such. No I’m not Catholic, no I’m not defending what the Catholic church has done in the past, no I don’t hate Muslims or Islam but I’m happy to criticise their worst beliefs, no I’m not racist or right wing and resent the implication that I am. Honestly, this situation is exhausting.
I really do appreciate the effort, but trying to apply logic to racism is like trying to apply racism to your existing logic
Difference is that Benjamin Disraeli would tell you he’s an Englishman first 100 times out of a hundred meanwhile that Southport killer would be unlikely to do the same and so this is a false equivalence.
Where meme
I’m sick of people coming over here from other places.
Like the Huguenots. Coming over here from Medieval France, bloody French! Doubting transubstantiation. Questioning the Eucharistic symbolism. With their famed ability to weave little jerkins, out of lace. We don’t want your lace here!
And before then, 2000 B.C., four thousand years ago, it was the Beaker Folk wasn’t it?! Bloody Beaker folk! Coming over here! Rowing up the Tagus Estuary from the Iberian Peninsula in improvised rafts. Coming here with their beakers, their drinking vessels. What’s wrong with just cupping up the water in your hands and licking it up like a cat?!
Disraeli’s grandfather arrived through normal channels and eventually became a “denizen” through letters patent, which is effectively the equivalent of permanent residence. His descendents were born, educated, worked and paid taxes in the UK, fully participating and integrating into British society.
Today, the vast majority of immigrants to the UK arrive here from around the world legally, paying the various visa and healthcare fees, learning English, working and making every effort to integrate. The problems (smuggling, theft, violent crime, rape, terrorism) tend to be with the ones who don’t.
# How to start an argument on r/GreatBritishMemes…
Wasn’t that cunt Rudakubana Welsh?
Im pretty sure nobody living today cares about Benjamin Disraeli.
For me, English/ Britishness is pretty simple. Does the person in question want to be part of our society, do they contribute to it?
One of these people was an incredibly well regarded man of his time, ex-prime minister and author. The other is a despicable weasel who owns Al Qaeda training manuals, ricin and knifes little girls.
Dizraeli integrated into our society and became British. Rudakubana did not, alienated himself, never displayed a single hair of compassion or remorse and is the furthest thing from British.
Died 1881. Fuck offf 🤣
This isn’t a meme
Isn’t Axel Welsh?
I mean let’s be realistic. Half of the GBNews sub can’t spell multi syllable words. They have no idea who these people were.
Anyone who is born British, and abides by the culture of the land is welcome. Oswald Mosley is a classic example of someone born British that did not exemplify British culture, I would say, anyone born British, that wishes to vilify denigrate and destroy the very land they are born into, or, change its culture and values into that of another’s, isn’t very British…..
I think you should start a hobby instead.
You’re assuming the folks painting roundabouts and hanging flags now enough about our countries history. Boris Johnson is the Great Grandson of Ali Kemal a Turkish minister and journalist. Freddie Mercury literally from a family of asylum seekers. Michael Marks, the guy who founded M&S a russian immigrant.
They just dont like brown people, its not about refugees.
Yes anyone can be “British”. You’re a British citizen with British rights and documents.
What you can’t be is English, Welsh, Irish or Scottish. That’s more complex due to ethnicity.
It’d be ridiculous if me and my English wife going to Japan, having our child and declaring that he be just as Japanese as anyone else and to say otherwise is racism.
None of them are British/English there problem solved
Disraeli wasn’t English, but he was British.
The English are an ethnic group, and Jews aren’t English.
Many Jews are, however, British.
Ok while using that same logic.
To say someone can be born in israel and still be considered an invader with no rights even after generations of living there is also hypocritical.
Hate to be that guy but er Disraeli’s dad was British though. Born and raised. As was his mother. Weren’t that guy’s parents from Rwanda?
Not that it matters, I see Axel as British. He was born here, ergo, he was one of ours.
A guy holding a gun with funky shades would probably scratch his chin and ask “Uh huh, and what kind of British?” though
Different though isn’t it. He came from an established European culture that was culturally and religiously similar to our own.
Fun fact about Disraeli: when he was first elected to Parliament Jews were not allowed to be MPs, and so he had to pretend (or maybe not, depending on if you believe his conversion was genuine or just political) to be Christian.
Another fun fact: Robert Jenkinson (PM from 1812-1827) was a descendant of settlers in India and likely also had native Indian ancestry, making Rishi Sunak actually only the second Prime Minister with Indian heritage. That also means that we have had more Indian PMs than we have Welsh PMs.
lol I can choose not to accept Rudukabana as English. First of all – the nutter lived in Wales.
What if we don’t accept and Italian Jew as English?
Being born in Britain does not alone make you British.
One of them integrated, and the other did not. Regardless of whether or not they were born in UK, following foreign beliefs and thinking like someone from the country they came from means they are not culturally British
If they were born here, British. I was not born here, so I am not British, or English. I am, American, but I am an English citizen.
He wasn’t English.
OP finds out in the comments that not every citizen agrees with the government’s decision on what qualifies citizenship.
Additionally, the Prime minister is not elected by voters, but by MPs of the biggest party. So there’s no hypocrisy in your average citizen not considering him British, since they didn’t vote him in in the first place.
(And even if they did, democratic elections almost always come down to picking the least worst option; afaik voters would elect a Russian if there was no better alternative available).
FYI, I’ve no doubt in my mind GB news is xenophobic as hell; I’m just disappointed despite all the valid reasons to criticize xenophobia, you picked this bad an argument.
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Beep Boop, predicting Refard voter response:
“But he did a bad thing! He did a bad thing for our country! He farted while visiting the King he did!”
Wasn’t Rudakubana born to immigrants, though? Who moved to the country in the 1990s.
Whereas Disraeli’s grandfather moved to England in the mid-18th century, more than 100 years before Disraeli himself became prime minister.
To say that Disraeli’s family was more Anglicised that Rudakubana’s seems like a fair statement – even if it is *also* true that people have a general tendency to claim people who are celebrated for their own ethnic group and conveniently try to exclude or disown those who become notorious.
In short, it’s fair to note the hypocrisy in pointing out how very foreign anyone of an immigrant background is when they do something shitty while trying to claim celebrities/heroes for the Home team – but for the comparison, you might want to pick a famous or beloved Briton who is or was also directly the son or daughter of immigrants to Britain.
Axel is a monster
This sub is going to the shitter, how anyone could class this as a meme is beyond me.
This is the sort of shite I would post if I was a right winger pretending to be a leftist in order to discredit the left and make them seem like complete arseholes
FML, the Disraeli obsessed weirdo is back
Oh no the Disraeli posting is breaking containment!
I wasn’t born here, I’m British though, also my great grandfather on my maternal side was a Scotsman.
Edit: which begs the question if a person has British parents but said person was born in another country and grew up there are they not British?
As an Englishmen I accept all into this country on one condition, they integrate with the English. It’s not about being white or born on this land, it’s about being part of this land, being part of this land culture and being part of this lands society. You can keep your religion and traditions and culture and language but learn English, share your culture take on our culture and be part of us.
God what a terrible post to start the day with.
What a stupid quote. GB is built on so many great contributions, both native born and those from overseas that want to participate in the greater good.
Axel the cunt, that knifed 3 young girls to death and recently violently attacked a prison officer is not a participating member of society.
Most of us that live in the UK have grown up with immigration. I grew up in Birmingham in the 80s and 90s and my friends both inside and outside school were from all over, Kenya, Pakistan, Hong Kong, India, Bangladesh. Good families that made the effort to learn the language, work and wanted to integrate at the same time as keeping hold of their culture that made them special and us as well.
Non-participating immigration; no interest in learning the language, look down on us for following a different religion or no religion at all, backward views on women as 2nd class citizens can fuck right off.
Edit: To all of you that want to argue with me that the Catholic church also treats women like shit or there are plenty of British men that have backward violent views on women, yes you are right, whilst at the same time completely missing the point. This is not a comparison exercise where we judge who is the worst. I will stand by my comment, that it is a false equivalence arguing that the Catholic church is bad for not allowing female priests when you literally have several countries in the world that see it as acceptable to marry children off to adult men. More than two issues can be wrong and judged on that basis at the same time.
Edit 2: I appreciate the traction that this comment has got and I’m happy to debate my views with anybody else that is open-minded out there. Unfortunately, that is naive of me as that is not the way the world works, at least the Reddit world. I would like to see myself as fairly open-minded and understand that immigration is a complex issue that entices a lot of debate. It is not a black and white world, there is always nuance, so I’m struggling to understand why so many people need to see it as such. No I’m not Catholic, no I’m not defending what the Catholic church has done in the past, no I don’t hate Muslims or Islam but I’m happy to criticise their worst beliefs, no I’m not racist or right wing and resent the implication that I am. Honestly, this situation is exhausting.
I really do appreciate the effort, but trying to apply logic to racism is like trying to apply racism to your existing logic
Difference is that Benjamin Disraeli would tell you he’s an Englishman first 100 times out of a hundred meanwhile that Southport killer would be unlikely to do the same and so this is a false equivalence.
Where meme
I’m sick of people coming over here from other places.
Like the Huguenots. Coming over here from Medieval France, bloody French! Doubting transubstantiation. Questioning the Eucharistic symbolism. With their famed ability to weave little jerkins, out of lace. We don’t want your lace here!
And before then, 2000 B.C., four thousand years ago, it was the Beaker Folk wasn’t it?! Bloody Beaker folk! Coming over here! Rowing up the Tagus Estuary from the Iberian Peninsula in improvised rafts. Coming here with their beakers, their drinking vessels. What’s wrong with just cupping up the water in your hands and licking it up like a cat?!
Disraeli’s grandfather arrived through normal channels and eventually became a “denizen” through letters patent, which is effectively the equivalent of permanent residence. His descendents were born, educated, worked and paid taxes in the UK, fully participating and integrating into British society.
Today, the vast majority of immigrants to the UK arrive here from around the world legally, paying the various visa and healthcare fees, learning English, working and making every effort to integrate. The problems (smuggling, theft, violent crime, rape, terrorism) tend to be with the ones who don’t.
# How to start an argument on r/GreatBritishMemes…
Wasn’t that cunt Rudakubana Welsh?
Im pretty sure nobody living today cares about Benjamin Disraeli.
For me, English/ Britishness is pretty simple. Does the person in question want to be part of our society, do they contribute to it?
One of these people was an incredibly well regarded man of his time, ex-prime minister and author. The other is a despicable weasel who owns Al Qaeda training manuals, ricin and knifes little girls.
Dizraeli integrated into our society and became British. Rudakubana did not, alienated himself, never displayed a single hair of compassion or remorse and is the furthest thing from British.
Died 1881. Fuck offf 🤣
This isn’t a meme
Isn’t Axel Welsh?
I mean let’s be realistic. Half of the GBNews sub can’t spell multi syllable words. They have no idea who these people were.
Anyone who is born British, and abides by the culture of the land is welcome. Oswald Mosley is a classic example of someone born British that did not exemplify British culture, I would say, anyone born British, that wishes to vilify denigrate and destroy the very land they are born into, or, change its culture and values into that of another’s, isn’t very British…..
I think you should start a hobby instead.
You’re assuming the folks painting roundabouts and hanging flags now enough about our countries history. Boris Johnson is the Great Grandson of Ali Kemal a Turkish minister and journalist. Freddie Mercury literally from a family of asylum seekers. Michael Marks, the guy who founded M&S a russian immigrant.
They just dont like brown people, its not about refugees.
Yes anyone can be “British”. You’re a British citizen with British rights and documents.
What you can’t be is English, Welsh, Irish or Scottish. That’s more complex due to ethnicity.
It’d be ridiculous if me and my English wife going to Japan, having our child and declaring that he be just as Japanese as anyone else and to say otherwise is racism.
None of them are British/English there problem solved
Disraeli wasn’t English, but he was British.
The English are an ethnic group, and Jews aren’t English.
Many Jews are, however, British.
Ok while using that same logic.
To say someone can be born in israel and still be considered an invader with no rights even after generations of living there is also hypocritical.
Hate to be that guy but er Disraeli’s dad was British though. Born and raised. As was his mother. Weren’t that guy’s parents from Rwanda?
Not that it matters, I see Axel as British. He was born here, ergo, he was one of ours.
A guy holding a gun with funky shades would probably scratch his chin and ask “Uh huh, and what kind of British?” though
Different though isn’t it. He came from an established European culture that was culturally and religiously similar to our own.
Fun fact about Disraeli: when he was first elected to Parliament Jews were not allowed to be MPs, and so he had to pretend (or maybe not, depending on if you believe his conversion was genuine or just political) to be Christian.
Another fun fact: Robert Jenkinson (PM from 1812-1827) was a descendant of settlers in India and likely also had native Indian ancestry, making Rishi Sunak actually only the second Prime Minister with Indian heritage. That also means that we have had more Indian PMs than we have Welsh PMs.
lol I can choose not to accept Rudukabana as English. First of all – the nutter lived in Wales.
What if we don’t accept and Italian Jew as English?
Being born in Britain does not alone make you British.
One of them integrated, and the other did not. Regardless of whether or not they were born in UK, following foreign beliefs and thinking like someone from the country they came from means they are not culturally British
If they were born here, British. I was not born here, so I am not British, or English. I am, American, but I am an English citizen.
He wasn’t English.
OP finds out in the comments that not every citizen agrees with the government’s decision on what qualifies citizenship.
Additionally, the Prime minister is not elected by voters, but by MPs of the biggest party. So there’s no hypocrisy in your average citizen not considering him British, since they didn’t vote him in in the first place.
(And even if they did, democratic elections almost always come down to picking the least worst option; afaik voters would elect a Russian if there was no better alternative available).
FYI, I’ve no doubt in my mind GB news is xenophobic as hell; I’m just disappointed despite all the valid reasons to criticize xenophobia, you picked this bad an argument.
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