The left would rather prioritise morals, principles, above actually winning power. The above is what happens when you actually say ‘you know what, fuck trying to put principles above winning, we’re going to win and we’ll do it together’.
Things like the minimum wage…..tax credits…..disability and discrimination act, all of these things were possible because a compromising, moderate, centrist Labour Party won three elections.
And yet you’ll still hear from people that Corbyn won the argument, that he saw an increase in votes since 1997…blah. Until they realise that he still lost in 2017 and 2019, unlike Blair. The latter of which being the worst defeat since the 1930s.
I genuinely don’t know what else those people want other than Labour to remain as a studenty protest movement.
The biggest mistake was going for Ed Milliband in 2010 and not David. Letting McCluskey get his red hands on the direction of travel was a disaster as fuck.
It’s even more shameful when you get the so called left say Starmer is worse than Johnson purely out of spite.
It’s impressive to have been alive and to have watched the traditional labour votership getting gradually more sick of a Labour government that increasingly didn’t represent them, and despite being a centrist party, managed to rack up absurd levels of debt.
For only a decade and a half later to see the revisionism of people desperate to blame the left of the party as to why traditional voters left. Corbyn was bad, we get it, but labour lost long before he was on board and the desperate infighting of the centre right of the party is the main thing making labour unelectable.
Grow up, support the party, have an informed debate, and stop shit throwing at boogeymen that largely don’t exist out of pure laziness.
The biggest testament to Tony Blair’s legacy is that it was undone in about two years by Cameron and Osborne. He had an overwhelming parliamentary majority and the political capital to do whatever he wanted and he gave us a watered down version of Thatcherism, an increasing role for the private sector and a disastrous foreign policy intervention in Iraq. Tony Blair did improve the lives of millions of ordinary people for a while, but he is the perfect distillation of what centrism is – easy palliatives for the status quo. He eschewed radicalism and substantial change for ‘moderation’ in a Britain that had been decimated by neoliberalism for twenty years. A freedom of information act which lags behind provision in the rest of Europe, piecemeal change to the House of Lords, minimum wage legislation whilst refusing to back the unions and a U turn on electoral reform is a nice summary of everything Blairites are and stand for.
Yeah they did. They brought in some good things then fucked it up. Brought millions out of poverty and bombed millions more into it. Let’s not even start on the PPI shit that they started.
Stalmer being pretty anti union is definitely off putting.
Presumably the fact the global economy was slammin’ helped.
But why should it get it better for millions when it can get even better for Tories and their cronies?
House prices increased at the fastest rate in history in the ten years from 97 making things worse for millions
Wonder if the citizens of Iraq and Libya would agree with that title
Ah yes, more privatisation, student loans, wars, fawning over putin, food banks, more taxations and restrictions (nanny state) for the working class, out of control house prices. Yeah things were fucking great.
What New Labour did was tweak things so it wasn’t quite as bad as before. Marvelous in comparison but it really wasn’t.
Major change was needed, what actually happend was merely a warm-up act for Cameron/Osborne and the LibDems and their zero-state scheme.
After just 5 years it was mostly all set-up. That’s how insignificant New Labour had been.
we are letting perfect be the enemy of better and it is beyond frustrating.
Blair threw it away. When I look back now, New Labour was the best government I remember. But, Iraq was a massive fuck up. And let’s not forget the grooming gangs that went under the radar for years on their watch. Those are two pretty big failures to have under your belt.
Greatest achievement: the Good Friday Agreement.
Greatest Failure: the wars.
The only downside I remember for the average Joe from New Labour was the ramping up of mass immigration especially from outside of Europe, it was called out to be an inevitable disaster & it was.
I’d vote for Labour if they adopted Marx’s views on immigration, instead we got shills like Corbyn & Starmer plus a dude who was willing to crucify his own brother for 5 mins in power.
Labour is finished, the real opposition to the Torries now comes from local nationalist parties & the sooner England gets a good one organised the better.
Tony Blair is a war criminal and really has no right to talk about bettering the lives of people.
Yeah not too excited about the current Labour party. I will still end up voting for them cause honestly the status quo is far worse.
Is rumours that Jeremy Corbyn may form his own party and that as much as I agree with the sentiment will be disastrous for Labour and the Corbyn party.
I think with the issue of Brexit out of the way the red wall may very well form again as long as our unity against the Conservative party remains but I’m no expert.
Personally, I’m fed up to fuck with this Tory bullshit. Give me anyone over that cunt. As bad as Thatcher.
Thatcher called Blair her greatest achievement. His government was far far better than the corrupt Russian funded populists we have endured since, but was still just another neo-liberal Oxbridge club.
Gordon Brown did a lot to tackle child poverty and for that he has my respect.
New Labour, aside from foreign policy, tax credits and immigration, was the best government in recent memory.
It was a reasonable compromise of encouraging free enterprise whilst making a true material difference to the lives of the lowest in society.
The bloke was a liar. He would say what people wanted to hear. Took us to war on a lie and put the nhs in terrible debt with pfi. In short hes a shyster. He wasn’t antisemitic mind
Yeah as soon as Blair came to power he started uni tuition fees and then claimed to need to invest more more in the military to invade a country that didn’t actually have WMD. Made my life so much better. /s
Better for millions of Brits? Possibly. Better for millions of Iraqis / Afghans? Not so much.
Isn’t Tony Blair Godfather to one of Murdochs kids?
Tells me all I need to know about how elections are won here.
Blair was the perfect “third way” fraud.
He supported the downtrodden and the boots stomping on them.
I remember how amazing those times were, bring back new labour
I thought Blair was good, but Brown had to be PM at any price, and what a lousy PM he was.
So many had their lives changed for the better – minimum wage, tax credits, sure start centres. These were all excellent.
But there was no legacy.
With such a majority we could have, and should have, had massive changes that would make for a better society today. Chief among these was electoral reform – the UK today would be radically different with a modern proportional system of some sort.
Labour papered over the cracks for a while. Rather than fixing the root problems.
I think Tony Blair was an excellent leader. But he really really fucked up with the Iraq war. It seems to me that we just don’t have the calibre of people in power now that we used to, both in uk and America. Fuck knows why, but I’m assuming it’s because of popularism.
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It’s a big shame tbh.
The left would rather prioritise morals, principles, above actually winning power. The above is what happens when you actually say ‘you know what, fuck trying to put principles above winning, we’re going to win and we’ll do it together’.
Things like the minimum wage…..tax credits…..disability and discrimination act, all of these things were possible because a compromising, moderate, centrist Labour Party won three elections.
And yet you’ll still hear from people that Corbyn won the argument, that he saw an increase in votes since 1997…blah. Until they realise that he still lost in 2017 and 2019, unlike Blair. The latter of which being the worst defeat since the 1930s.
I genuinely don’t know what else those people want other than Labour to remain as a studenty protest movement.
The biggest mistake was going for Ed Milliband in 2010 and not David. Letting McCluskey get his red hands on the direction of travel was a disaster as fuck.
It’s even more shameful when you get the so called left say Starmer is worse than Johnson purely out of spite.
It’s impressive to have been alive and to have watched the traditional labour votership getting gradually more sick of a Labour government that increasingly didn’t represent them, and despite being a centrist party, managed to rack up absurd levels of debt.
For only a decade and a half later to see the revisionism of people desperate to blame the left of the party as to why traditional voters left. Corbyn was bad, we get it, but labour lost long before he was on board and the desperate infighting of the centre right of the party is the main thing making labour unelectable.
Grow up, support the party, have an informed debate, and stop shit throwing at boogeymen that largely don’t exist out of pure laziness.
The biggest testament to Tony Blair’s legacy is that it was undone in about two years by Cameron and Osborne. He had an overwhelming parliamentary majority and the political capital to do whatever he wanted and he gave us a watered down version of Thatcherism, an increasing role for the private sector and a disastrous foreign policy intervention in Iraq. Tony Blair did improve the lives of millions of ordinary people for a while, but he is the perfect distillation of what centrism is – easy palliatives for the status quo. He eschewed radicalism and substantial change for ‘moderation’ in a Britain that had been decimated by neoliberalism for twenty years. A freedom of information act which lags behind provision in the rest of Europe, piecemeal change to the House of Lords, minimum wage legislation whilst refusing to back the unions and a U turn on electoral reform is a nice summary of everything Blairites are and stand for.
Yeah they did. They brought in some good things then fucked it up. Brought millions out of poverty and bombed millions more into it. Let’s not even start on the PPI shit that they started.
Stalmer being pretty anti union is definitely off putting.
Presumably the fact the global economy was slammin’ helped.
But why should it get it better for millions when it can get even better for Tories and their cronies?
House prices increased at the fastest rate in history in the ten years from 97 making things worse for millions
Wonder if the citizens of Iraq and Libya would agree with that title
Ah yes, more privatisation, student loans, wars, fawning over putin, food banks, more taxations and restrictions (nanny state) for the working class, out of control house prices. Yeah things were fucking great.
What New Labour did was tweak things so it wasn’t quite as bad as before. Marvelous in comparison but it really wasn’t.
Major change was needed, what actually happend was merely a warm-up act for Cameron/Osborne and the LibDems and their zero-state scheme.
After just 5 years it was mostly all set-up. That’s how insignificant New Labour had been.
we are letting perfect be the enemy of better and it is beyond frustrating.
Blair threw it away. When I look back now, New Labour was the best government I remember. But, Iraq was a massive fuck up. And let’s not forget the grooming gangs that went under the radar for years on their watch. Those are two pretty big failures to have under your belt.
Greatest achievement: the Good Friday Agreement.
Greatest Failure: the wars.
The only downside I remember for the average Joe from New Labour was the ramping up of mass immigration especially from outside of Europe, it was called out to be an inevitable disaster & it was.
I’d vote for Labour if they adopted Marx’s views on immigration, instead we got shills like Corbyn & Starmer plus a dude who was willing to crucify his own brother for 5 mins in power.
Labour is finished, the real opposition to the Torries now comes from local nationalist parties & the sooner England gets a good one organised the better.
Tony Blair is a war criminal and really has no right to talk about bettering the lives of people.
Yeah not too excited about the current Labour party. I will still end up voting for them cause honestly the status quo is far worse.
Is rumours that Jeremy Corbyn may form his own party and that as much as I agree with the sentiment will be disastrous for Labour and the Corbyn party.
I think with the issue of Brexit out of the way the red wall may very well form again as long as our unity against the Conservative party remains but I’m no expert.
Personally, I’m fed up to fuck with this Tory bullshit. Give me anyone over that cunt. As bad as Thatcher.
Thatcher called Blair her greatest achievement. His government was far far better than the corrupt Russian funded populists we have endured since, but was still just another neo-liberal Oxbridge club.
Gordon Brown did a lot to tackle child poverty and for that he has my respect.
New Labour, aside from foreign policy, tax credits and immigration, was the best government in recent memory.
It was a reasonable compromise of encouraging free enterprise whilst making a true material difference to the lives of the lowest in society.
The bloke was a liar. He would say what people wanted to hear. Took us to war on a lie and put the nhs in terrible debt with pfi. In short hes a shyster. He wasn’t antisemitic mind
Yeah as soon as Blair came to power he started uni tuition fees and then claimed to need to invest more more in the military to invade a country that didn’t actually have WMD. Made my life so much better. /s
Better for millions of Brits? Possibly. Better for millions of Iraqis / Afghans? Not so much.
Isn’t Tony Blair Godfather to one of Murdochs kids?
Tells me all I need to know about how elections are won here.
Blair was the perfect “third way” fraud.
He supported the downtrodden and the boots stomping on them.
I remember how amazing those times were, bring back new labour
I thought Blair was good, but Brown had to be PM at any price, and what a lousy PM he was.
So many had their lives changed for the better – minimum wage, tax credits, sure start centres. These were all excellent.
But there was no legacy.
With such a majority we could have, and should have, had massive changes that would make for a better society today. Chief among these was electoral reform – the UK today would be radically different with a modern proportional system of some sort.
Labour papered over the cracks for a while. Rather than fixing the root problems.
I think Tony Blair was an excellent leader. But he really really fucked up with the Iraq war. It seems to me that we just don’t have the calibre of people in power now that we used to, both in uk and America. Fuck knows why, but I’m assuming it’s because of popularism.