Trump issues SHOCK ESCALATION against Democrats

Trump issues SHOCK ESCALATION against Democrats

Donald Trump is prepared to send troops into Chicago and there is a much more insidious reason for it than he’s letting on. And I’ve got four interviews this week. I speak with Governor Wes Moore about redrawing his state’s maps, Tommy Vtor about Republicans disastrous town halls, attorney Norm Eisen about Trump’s latest loss in court, and Zack Walls about his run for Senate in Iowa. I’m Brian Tyler Cohen and you’re watching No Lie. The latest pronouncement from Donald Trump is that he’s preparing to send troops into Chicago. And there are two reasons for this. Both are nefarious, but one that’s truly caused for alarm. The first reason pretty clear on its face. Trump is an autocrat, and autocrats want centralized power and control. By putting boots on the ground in the cities, he can effectively co-opt power that would otherwise belong to the states. Anyone on the right who claims to be a strict constitutionalist while Donald Trump tramples on the 10th amendment to the constitution is showing their entire ass right now. But then again, I know it’s not breaking news that uh Republicans are hypocrites. he may very well do exactly what he did in LA, which was to send the troops in knowing that doing so would incite violence. And it did. And he used that as a pretext to be able to retroactively justify his decision. So, he’s not looking to quell any violence in the cities. He is expressly looking to exacerbate it. But the second reason is far more worrisome. And if you follow my content, you know that this is something that I’ve been relentless about calling out. This isn’t only about exercising power now. It is about laying the foundation to be able to do it during the election. Remember, Trump already tried once to seize voting machines in Georgia. He already tried once to block certification of the election in Congress. He already incited an insurrection at the US capital. But he didn’t have the tools in place to be able to succeed in those efforts. For as horrific as he was, Bill Barr, his attorney general, called Donald Trump’s stolen election claims That was his words. And of course, he had no one in the states that are willing to actually carry out his plans like seizing those voting machines. But we’re in a completely different world right now. Pam Bondi, the current attorney general, won’t stop Trump from acting on his worst impulses uh and and any bogus stolen election claims. Neither will Dan Bonino or Cash Patel or Steven Miller. And now, if he’s also got boots on the ground because he’s deployed these troops to the states under false pretenses and he asked them to seize the voting machines, what’s going to stop them this time? Of course, the answer to that question may come to us soon. Gavin Newsome is suing Trump in court in California over his troop deployment. He did try to get an injunction when the troops were first deployed and the courts didn’t go for that, but their refusal to offer an injunction doesn’t offer any insight into how they’ll ultimately rule on the merits of this case. So, it could truly go either way. But the point is that if Trump loses, then other states now have a legal framework to be able to challenge his troops deployment across the country. And by the way, if Trump appeals his loss and loses again at the appeals court, then that becomes legal precedent that other states could point to, which is even worse for him. Um, of course, on the flip side, Trump could win, which would establish a framework for him to be able to justify his troop deployment elsewhere. So, it’s all very much in the air right now. But the point here is that we have to defeat these efforts and we have to make noise about these efforts because they represent something fundamentally dangerous not just to the people who live in these cities whose lives are being upended by by these troops but to the very concept of our democracy to to the very concept of our autonomy. Like it used to be a Republican position uh that we would fight back against tyranny. Now these Republicans are exactly the ones perpetuating it. One note of hope here when we fight these battles we generally find that the law is on our side. When Trump brought 65 cases to court after the 2020 election, he lost all but one, which was nothing. Shortened a a ballot cure deadline from like 9 to 6 days in Pennsylvania. So, we’ll continue to fight, but the most important thing is that we’re cleareyed about his intentions here so that no one is caught off guard. Next up are my interviews with Wesmore, Tommy Vtor, Norm Eisen, and Zach Walls. 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I know that you said you’ve you’re open to it, that you’ve been speaking to the legislature, but what would it take for actual like for to go from hypothetical or theoretical to actually okay, let’s let’s get moving on this? Well, I think everybody in Maryland right now is looking at what’s happening around the country and and if as the country continues to move in this direction, I I think that means other states, to include Maryland, will have to look to evaluate to make sure that our maps are fair as well. Uh, you know, and and honestly, the thing about it, Brian, is like like I I actually can’t stand this. Um, and I think it’s actually one of the things that people don’t like about politics is the whole gymandering and you know midcycle uh, you know, without any new data, without any new census data, people saying, “Oh, let’s rearrange maps.” But, but this is what the president is forcing that that and again, the thing that gets me about it is it’s actually very similar to what he did in what he did in Georgia where he calls up election officials and says, “Hey, find me votes.” And now he’s basically doing the same thing except with redistricing. And again, this was the thing that he did in Georgia that actually got him indicted. And now he’s going around calling different states and saying, “Hey, can you get me x new congressional districts? Can you give me y new congressional districts?” So, I think it’s one of the things that there’s just continue to be this feeding into the thing that makes people absolutely exhausted about politics in the first place. And so I actually wish if in in an ideal world you get Congress to actually pass legislation that actually bans gerrymandering. Right? If Congress could do that, you could actually I think help to solve this thing where you say you cannot do midcycle gerrymandering of our congressional districts. However, if Congress is not going to do this and if Congress is not going to do the right thing, then 100% all options should be on the table and will be on the table in the state of Maryland as we continue to see how this thing continues to evolve. Do you view Maryland’s position as being there to neutralize if we see uh this kind of thing happen in Missouri, for example, or Indiana if they move forward? Does that very much in the same way that Nome viewed his effort to neutralize what happened in Texas? Would you view Maryland’s uh Maryland’s place here to be to neutralize what would happen hypothetically in Missouri or Indiana? I would look at Maryland’s uh uh position as we’re just looking to make sure that we have fair maps, too. That if these other states are looking to have fair maps, then Maryland’s going to have fair maps, too. Okay. So, there’s no like trigger mechanism or anything like that. Um more broadly, how do you view Maryland’s Supreme Court as possibly playing into this? would would I if if Maryland’s officials did move forward, if you did move forward with with maps to kind of counteract these power grabs that are happening on on the right in the national environment, um how would the the Supreme Court possibly serve as an impediment uh to the to these efforts? Yeah. Well, it is something that the that the the Maryland constitution does matter uh in all of this and and I think it’s something that the state legislature or the members of our general assembly are going to have to align because uh you know it is something that the general assembly has to be involved with with the process. Uh the the general assembly has to make sure that there is uh that there is legal grounding and legal standing to be able to make sure that everything is uh you know everything is above board and can happen. But I also know that that’s something that uh that they are actively talking about already uh that you know that we are that we are in communication with them uh on it because we have to make sure that we don’t have something where where elected officials are choosing their voters. voters have to choose the elected officials and at the same time in the absence of Congress saying that there is going to be you know no gerrymandering in midcycle it means that our state uh has is is very clear that we are watching we are observing and all options for us to be able to respond are on the table. Okay. Um moving over to a different topic. Trump had actually focused in on you this weekend, attacking you for daring say something critical of dear leader. And one of the things that he threatened uh because you didn’t heap praise onto him uh as is expected by Donald Trump is uh this threat that he’s going to revoke funding um for a bridge in in your state. So, first and foremost, can you talk about where that funding did come from? because he made it sound as if uh he’s responsible for heaping this funding on to you and just as easily as he gave it to the state of Maryland, he can take it away. Yeah, I I was actually fascinated about the level of revisionist history that uh that we continue to see from uh from from uh from our president and uh yeah, he talks about how he gave me all of this money for the bridge. And as a reminder, uh, that we had on March 26th, a year and a half ago, where a ship the size of three football fields slammed into the iconic Key Bridge in Baltimore, and it shut down 13% of our state’s economy. Uh, it meant thousands of workers were laid off, and we had six uh, construction workers who were fixing potholes in the middle of the night who who lost their lives. And we said that very first morning that we would stop at nothing to make sure that we are both going to make sure that our workers were supported uh and our small businesses were supported, that we would make sure that we could bring closure and comfort to the families. And uh it took it took about five weeks, but we’re able to bring all the bodies and return all the bodies to the families and also that uh we would uh reopen the the the Francis Scott Key Bridge and clear the federal channel. And when people told us it would take 11 months, we got it cleared in 11 weeks. uh really put on a case study on how to work together to be able to respond in tragedy and it was a bipartisan group from Congress who actually passed the legislation and made it a stat put it in statute that there was going to be 100% cost share so a cost share between the state of Maryland and the federal government to ensure that we could speed up the process of rebuilding the Francis Scott key bridge and we have honored that promise where we have moved faster than expected not just to clear the federal channel but also can also complete the demo and start the rebuilding process. Um, and that bill was signed by by both Republicans and Democrats in Congress and then eventually signed by President Joe Biden. Donald Trump was not involved in that. His signature is not on the statute. So, a threat of being able to quote unquote take away funding for the key bridge is is is is a very empty threat because it’s not his signature that made it happen in the first place. And so I I tell the people of our state, you know, uh uh don’t be concerned about someone taking away something from you when they didn’t give it to you in the first place. And that’s exactly what this situation is. What does it say more broadly, notwithstanding the fact that he was not involved in the allocation of this funding, but what does it say that his beef with you personally, because again, you didn’t heap praise onto him, which is what he expects from from everybody in this country, that his response here is to hurt an American state and American citizens who live in that state. uh because he didn’t get, you know, like the the the amount of loyalty that he expected from one person and so he’s going to hurt everybody else as a result of that, despite the fact that his job as president is to keep keep this country as prosperous and as safe as it can be. Yeah. I was very clear, Brian, when when when he first won the election, I said to the people of my state, “Listen, I I will work with anyone, but I will bow down to no one. I’m not built that way, and the people of our state know that.” But I look at his decision and what he said recently about the key bridge and what I say is it tracks because this is the same person that has taken away that is now pulled back hundreds of millions of dollars in previously allocated capital to the state of Maryland. This is someone who has pulled away cap pulled away resources from the from NIH. This is someone who’s pulled away resources from Social Security. This is someone who’s now responsible for firing over 12,000 Marylanders who are federal workers. people who are doing things like making sure that our food is safe and making sure that our critical infrastructure is protected. This is a person who has denied federal support to our folks in western Maryland who suffered historic floods and then FEMA has despite the fact that we not just hit but exceeded the benchmark on what is required in order to apply for federal relief funds that FEMA then turned around and said that no support of Maryland is warranted. that this is a person who was decided in the middle of a press conference without speaking to anybody about it nor to actually a Congress or or a GSA that put it in place that the FBI building was not coming to the state of Maryland. So, so this is a person who these are not these are not glancing blows at Maryland. These are direct shots that have happened ever since he has become the new president of the United States. And what’s really wild about it is when you’re talking about doing things like declining FEMA funds to Alageney and Garrett County, when you’re talking about things like saying I’ll just pull back bridge financing which is going to most impact communities like Dundoc. Do you know what they all have in common? They all voted for the president and now these are the communities that he is deciding to go after and leave behind because uh you know because he has a personal beef. You know, this is the level of of of of of vitriol and childishness that becomes so tiring and exhausting for people when it comes to politics. And I remember when Maryland when when Western Maryland had its floods, we were some of the first boots on ground. And I remember never once even when people say those are deeply those are Republican areas. You know, I reminded them, you know what I never once asked a single one of my soldiers when I was leading soldiers in combat, what’s your political party? But it’s very obvious that this is something that the pain that that they want to inflict on Maryland, it is petty. It is partisan. And it is punishing. And it is deeply unfortunate because when we’re seeing how this continues to show itself, seeing how hundreds of thousands of Marylanders are now about to lose their health care because of these decisions, how Marylanders are watching the price of everything go up from their energy rates to the clothes they’re buying to the food they’re that they’re eating. This is petty. It is partisan and it is punishing. And frankly, unfortunately for this president and this administration, it’s par for the course. Well, another another testament to exactly that is within those, you know, threats against you, uh he he uh suggested sending the military into Baltimore as well, very much in the same way that he’s done in my city of Los Angeles and that he’s done in DC. And so can I have your reaction first and foremost to the prospect of him using the US military uh to to not to be sent overseas but to go into the streets of of yet another American city. And I I told them and I was very clear that that I would not authorize uh the usage of of our National Guard being able to be deployed to any of our cities or or or others because you know I said not not only uh is this something that is not sustainable. I mean the American people need to know this is a deep waste of taxpayer dollars. There’s a there’s well over a million dollars a day that is now being spent on on having members of the National Guard go and patrol communities in a way that they are not trained for and in a way they not did not sign up for. Uh I’ve said that that we would not authorize it because it is not scalable. You’re not going to send the National Guard into all of America’s major cities, especially when, frankly, a lot of the people who are patrolled and deployed now to Washington DC are actually from states that have higher crime rates than than have some of the highest crime rates in the country. So, who’s going to deploy their cities when they’re actually walking around Washington DC? And I told him it is unconstitutional because this is a direct violation of the 10th of the of the 10th amendment and this is deeply disrespectful to the members of the National Guard and and and you know as someone who was actually worn the uniform and deployed overseas I actually take my responsibility to them seriously and I take my responsibility to their family seriously and to ask them to go and to activate for a mission that is theatrical and to a mission that they are not trained for is deeply problematic and frankly deeply offensive to me and to a lot of other people who have actually worn the uniform in this country. And so so I I have uh you know I I have said and I will continue to say that I will not authorize it and if there’s one thing that I know I know the Constitution and I know the oath that I took and I plan on standing by both. What do you make of the fact that he continuously threatens or actually follows through on these threats to deploy the military into blue cities and blue states, but refuses to do so when it comes to red states where there are cities that have, you know, objectively higher per capita crime rates than in those blue states? I think it just goes to show how how completely partisan this decision is. Uh these decisions are not databacked. These decisions are not are not consistent with fact. Uh, and I say it especially when you’re when you’re talking about coming into places that have actually, for example, if you look at what’s happened in Maryland, Maryland’s had amongst the fastest drops in violent crime anywhere in the United States over the past two and a half years. That when I first became the governor, that Maryland saw over an eight over a 10-year period before I became the governor, how the homicide rate had nearly doubled. The non-fatal shooting rate did double. Baltimore City went eight straight years of 300 plus homicides. In 2022, the year before I became the governor, Baltimore was averaging almost a homicide a day. Now, since our inauguration, we’ve had amongst the fastest drops in violent crime anywhere in the United States of America. That the last time the homicide rate was this low in Baltimore, I was not born yet. and that we’ve done it by working together with the mayor, with our state’s attorney, with local law enforcement, with community groups to be able to say, “We know we have more work to do, but no one is watching faster drops than what we are seeing in Baltimore and what we are seeing in the state of Maryland right now.” And so I I I’m you know so my invitation when I invited the president to come come do a come do a safety walk with us uh that I guess offended him. Um, but the reason is because he can learn something and instead of spouting ignorance from the Oval Office, come be educated about the things that are actually working about what it looks like when people on the ground are actually collaborating and working together on these issues and stop making theatrical uh political plays that frankly just serve as distractions of the fact that your economic policies are just making life harder for every single American. Well, you say that his decision is not data backed, but you know, it’s very possible he could just fire the person who was giving him actual data and replace them with somebody who gives him the data that he actually wants and then suddenly it’s data backed. Um, okay, last thing. I’m I’m going to play a clip of something that Donald Trump said uh today. Baltimore is a horrible horrible uh deathbed. It’s a deathbed. I know Governor Moore said, “Oh, he wants to take a walk with me.” He he meant it in a derogatory tone. I said, “No, no. I’m the president of the United States. clean up your crime and I’ll walk with you. But there’s it’s tremendous crime, but he was trying to be derogatory. He doesn’t have what it takes. But he’s trying to be derogatory. And I met him at the Army Navy game. They said, “Oh, there’s Governor Moore. He’d love to see you.” He came over to me. He hugged me, shook my hand. You were there. He said, “Sir, you’re the greatest president of my lifetime.” I said, “It’s really nice that you say that. I’d love you to say it publicly, but I don’t think you can do that, so it’s okay.” But no, sir, you’re doing a fantastic job. I want to just shake your hand. Thank you very much, Governor. That was that. And then every time I see him on television, he’s knocking the hell out of me. So, but that’s all right. That’s called politics. So, uh, so apparently you had a conversation where you privately told Donald Trump, “Sir, because it’s important that you include the sir.” Sir, you’re the greatest president of my lifetime. Gov, uh, care to explain? I I literally laughed out loud when I when I saw this. uh you know it’s you know and and I’ll I’ll tell you the story. So he comes up and uh and first he was the one who asked and requested uh to meet. So as he pulls up as we’re at the Army Navy game because I’m I’m there and you know and I I’m I’m not I don’t you know I don’t miss Army Navy games especially when they’re in my state you know he comes up and uh and I said welcome back to Maryland you know Mr. President and he says you’re a good-looking guy. That was the first thing that came out of his mouth. And then uh and then I told him about how we need to make sure that this bridge uh gets financed and we’re on track to get it done. And he said, “We’re going to help you out.” And I said, “Thank you.” And uh that was the conversation. And what he took out of that was you telling him that he’s the greatest president of your lifetime. I I mean it is just um you know the it’s you know people ask you know what do you think? And it’s like it’s just it’s just difficult um to have any any any answer um besides as I’ve always said, you know, don’t let don’t let things that don’t matter too much matter too much. Uh you know, I I’m a person who believes in my integrity. Uh and I can tell you right now that imaginary conversation that he revealed from the White House uh not only did not happen but unfortunately it’s just a consistent thread and a consistent theme that we are seeing from the president of the United States which is just a deeply sad state of affairs. Yeah. Just a recurring pattern where he is trafficking in nothing but delusion. Um okay. Well, with that said, I appreciate uh the time today. I appreciate the work you’re doing in Maryland and uh you know as this I’m sure this this map uh fight is going to continue ramping up this map cold war that we’re engaged in right now at the hands of Donald Trump and uh and these very obsequious Republican governors. Uh I’m sure that this isn’t the last that we’ll speak about that. So uh Governor Moore appreciate your time today. I appreciate yours and go Raven. I’m joined now by the co-host of Pot Save America and Pots saveave the world, Tommy Vtor. Tommy, thanks for joining me. Good to see you. So, we have uh some very surprising footage here from one of the top uh Republican incumbents who’s running for re-election this upcoming cycle. You haven’t seen this footage yet. I don’t know what we’re talking about. Let’s throw to the clip. Hey, [Applause] so I love how I love how he steps in and instead just quells the booing and incites chance of shame. She’s like, “Go back to the booing. Go back to the I love a good shame, shame, shame.” Yeah. It’s like Game of Thrones. We have the classic shame, shame. Oh, yeah. The bell maybe. I’m curious what you think of here because look, you know, we can see this stuff and it’s obviously promising because this is one of our few offensive opportunities. The other being, you know, Iowa, which just had a great result in a special election yesterday. Um, and of course, you know, there are a few other states that we could look to. North Carolina um and you know maybe even in in some depending on how the environment looks Texas but Susan Collins has been able to weather quite a few storms and even in other election cycles where where you know Democrats were heavily favored. I believe it was 2018 where Sarah Gideon ran against uh Susan Collins. Is that correct? Yeah. Yeah. A lot of money. All the polling showed that Sarah Gideon was going to beat her by like 10 points and of course she she came out of it. And so, how are you thinking about a moment like this where we’re starting to see a real big uprising against Susan Collins, but also keeping in mind kind of the the historical trends of Maine? Yeah. Look, Susan Collins um she has uh surprised us over and over again with both how naive she can sound in the face of Donald Trump’s authoritarian tendencies, but also the fact that she just keeps winning. Um and so it’s good to see a bunch of super energized, pissed-off Democrats showing up at her events. I think this will probably influence her thinking. It’ll make her nervous about going out in public and doing events and doing town halls. Not that I want her like scared, but I want her to worry politically about having a terrible news cycle like that. So, that gives me some hope. That makes me a little more excited. I don’t know. How you feeling? We got a good candidate. We have a good candidate. Um, there are actually a couple of candidates. I just did interview Graham Platner, who is like I mean, this guy is the real deal. He is he’s an oyster. like this is not somebody who who was created in the in the usual Democratic lab of like, you know, consultants and operatives put together this person that just looks like they were born to to run, you know, on the Democratic ticket and just spout out a bunch of platitudes. But this guy is the real deal economic populist. He is like works with Trump supporters. He’s doing military veteran military veteran. Uh he he told me he’s like the highest office I ever thought I would have was harbor master in my hometown. Good office. So, and he’s and he’s a great speaker and he’s and great a real great voice. I mean, like I couldn’t even come close. Yeah, it was cool. I was like, “Oh, voice for radio. Look at this guy in that announcement video.” Yeah. So, so there, you know, that that part I actually feel really good about. Um, now we’ll just see like what, you know, what the composition of the electorate looks like in Maine. Again, we’ve been here before. Uh right now the national environment looks very much very much like it did in 2017 where we’re seeing overperformances by Democrats at about 10 11 12 points from where they were you know in the norm. So if if we see something similar to to what we saw in 2018 in 2026 that could mean we take the house by 40 seats. I mean we took 40 41 seats in 2018. Um, but these seats are going to be especially important. Being able to flip these Senate seats and actually have the opportunity to win back the Senate in what is, by the way, a pretty dismal uh Senate map will be really important. Really, really, really important. Yeah. I mean, there’s a few factors at play that I think about. One, Trump’s approval is in a very bad place right now. He is extremely unpopular. Hopefully, he will continue getting more unpopular. That is good for Democrats. But if you look at polling about the Democratic party brand, we’re not doing great. Uh, so that’s why it’s exciting to see someone like Graham Platner come in and run who doesn’t look like a traditional Democrat, doesn’t sound like one, doesn’t have, as you said, the traditional resume. He’s not like a lawyer or like a rich guy. No, he’s like a oyster farmer or fisherman, you know, and I think that’s important because a lot of people are having these meta conversations about how to fix the Democratic party’s brand, but the party is its people. Exactly. And so the way to fix it is not to just do thing is not to like make these inauthentic moves. moves and like I said this the other day, but now I’m going to start talking like this and and and I’ll wear like a backwards hat, right? We’re not going to tweak a couple dials over the DNC like, you know, room that controls the party. No, it is is exactly what you said. It is the people who are running, the candidates who represent us. And so and so if we have people like Graham, like a lot of the candidates that we’re seeing across the country run and win, that fixes the brand problem because the brand is a reflection of the people in the party. Exactly. Um to that point, I do want to talk about uh some some news that came out of Axios. I believe it was Alex Thompson who reported that Democrats are considering doing a midcycle um uh DNC. And so I’m curious what your thoughts are on that. So I read that story too. Um I read it almost immediately after I read another Axio story about a big intrademocratic party fight over Gaza at the DNC the current DNC meeting. And it made me worry uh about our the prospect of having another uh mass mass gathering where Democrats decide not to acknowledge it at all. Right. Hey, look, you know where I am on all these questions of whether Democrats should be cutting off military assistance to Israel. Very much so. I support that. But my concern is more like if you get a bunch of Democrats together in a room, can we all agree upon a set of policies or at least uh messages to deliver? And so like that’s kind of table stakes for doing something like a mini convention in an off year like this. Now, you know, Donald Trump uh blotss out the sun every day. he wakes up and he truth social something or he has an event or a 4-hour cabinet meeting and he dominates the news cycle like no one I’ve ever seen in my life, no one I’ve ever seen in politics. And so Democrats, we need to be creative and think of new ways to grab attention back, get our message out, showcase uh people and candidates within the party and talk about what we are and what we stand for. Maybe this gives us that opportunity. So I don’t want to like poo poo uh new ideas or creative ideas, but you know, I’m sort of two minds about it. Yeah, I know you and I have spoken about this. on on a video that we did for Potsafe of America’s YouTube channel. So, if anybody who’s watching this right now is not yet subscribed to Potsafe America’s YouTube channel, go ahead and subscribe. I’m going to put the link on the screen and also in the post description of this video. Great way to support independent media more broadly. But you and I were talking about this and you know, on one hand, it is good to have opportunities where if we have a mini DNC, then then that means that at least for a few days, Democrats get to dictate the narrative. they get to drive the news cycle just because that’s where all of the you know like when when you’re handed a stage it’s hard not to to garner attention as the result of it. But then there is some concern as well on on the flip side of that is it it does feel very topheavy and it feels and and the the energy in the party right now is not at the top. It’s at the bottom. It’s at the grassroots level. And I think having an event where it feels like I mean it’s literally the DNC. So having an event event where things are dictated by you know the folks at the top and the leadership at a time where there’s a lot of distrust and disgust um uh you know aimed at those people and a lot of hope aimed at the people who are in the grassroots and who are running for these offices right now. And I do hope that we see something of a of a Democratic Tea Party as we head toward 2026. Doing this right now feels feels a little bit like we’re heaping attention onto the wrong folks. Yes, it is quite topheavy. it will turn be like kind of dictated by the top right like who speaks what the messages are what the themes are and it’s also literally staged you like this is an event on a stage with production and you know and it kind of like I don’t know a bit of it hearkens back to a bygone era when you know conventions were all about giving something to the three networks and you know getting all these people to watch let me ask you because we see a lot of these like Turning Point USA conferences and uh and CPAC and those still have legs and so h how do you differentiate those. Well, yeah. Look, I think that Turning Point USA and CPAC have been unbelievably effective because they are gathering places and organizational tools for organizations that are not the party. Like they are they are doing their own specific missions. Like CPAC was uh this inexurable pull of the Republican party as far right as humanly possible until it’s the craziest people, you know, in the party who are now in charge in the White House. Success. Yeah. uh TPUSA, they were all about uh going to college campuses, making, you know, trying to convert people to being a Republican or to make young conservatives feel like they were not alone or they could talk about, you know, being a Republican and not be embarrassed at a time when Republicans weren’t seen as cool. So, I do think like both of those organizations have been quite successful at their missions. Now, part a part of it is these like big events, these gatherings. It sounds like the TPUSA ones uh are just debaucherous. There are some so so we’ve heard there are some stories. Yeah, Will Summer over at the Bullwwork has some some stories uh about what happens uh after hours at those events. But um you know the organizing is the real key to them. So uh let’s finish off with one more story and I think we have uh we have some video footage that that I want to throw to here. All right. [Music] The slowest foot chase in in my in living memory. It makes me laugh every time I see it. Well, the update here is that even even in um in courtrooms where they say that, you know, prosecutors could even a grand jury would indict a ham sandwich, they weren’t able to indict this guy at the hands of Gene. So, I’m curious what your uh what your reaction to this story um more broadly is given the fact that Trump really has a vested interest in trying to pick people out and make examples out of them. And of course, there’s no better example if if you’re, you know, an aspiring autocrat than if somebody throws a sandwich at one of your goons uh to try and make an example out of him. Trump sent 20 police officers into this guy’s apartment to arrest him. So, um curious your reaction to the fact that they weren’t able to secure an indictment. Yeah, I it’s like hard to overstate how rare it is for a grand jury not to return an indictment like this. I think the stat is like between some period of like 2009 to 2010 uh there were about 190,000 cases and only 11 of them the grand jury did not return in a diapen. So pretty rare. Uh and the reason is because the process is totally rigged towards the prosecutors. They get to introduce all the information. The defendants don’t have lawyers in there. So it’s just it’s really tough. Um what it tells me is that the DC residents who are part of this grand jury are pissed. They are rip pissed at Donald Trump at this military occupation of their city and they said, “Fuck you. No, I’m not. We’re not gonna do your bidding. We’re not gonna indict this person.” You You put Janine Perau in charge. She’s the US attorney for Washington DC. Do you know how insulting that is? This drunk wine mom from Fox News. No, we’re absolutely not returning an indictment for her. So, I love it. It’s a little quiet act of resistance. That’s it. One might even say he’s a hero. Get it? It’s a sandwich pun. With that said, I wish I could do your cricket noise. I’ll do it for myself. So good. With that said, of course, again, for anybody who is not yet subscribed to POS America’s YouTube channel, I’m going to put the link right here on the screen and also in the post description of this video. Help support independent media, help grow the Crooked Teams voices and their reach that when people come on uh to YouTube, for example, they’re not automatically sorted into right-wing content. So again, that link is on the screen and also in the post description. Tommy, appreciate your time. Thanks for having me. I’m joined now by the founder of Democracy Defenders Fund, Norm Eisen. Norm, thank you so much for coming on. We have major news right here that really shook up the entire economic world because it puts at risk the independence of the Fed, of our entire monetary policy, and that is Donald Trump’s decision to try and fire Lisa Cook, who is one of the Fed governors. So, can you explain the push back that’s happening at the hands of Lisa Cook right now? Yes. Uh Brian, as you note, um the bedrock of uh our prosperity as a nation and really the the kitchen table strength of American families is that we have a strong do. We have a reliable dollar. Uh we have uh uh a Federal Reserve that is in charge of managing issues like inflation. If you attack the independence of the Federal Reserve, their ability to do their job, you weaken the prosperity of every American. And that’s just when what happened when Donald Trump baselessly announced last night sent a letter saying that Federal Governor Lisa Cook, the first Federal Reserve uh governor who’s an AfricanAmerican woman in the history of that institution was being terminated. He claims that it meets the legal ca standard of for cause, but that’s a joke. There’s no basis that’s been established in law for this termination. Immediately uh the dollar weakened, the dollar got worse uh on exchange rates. That hit all of our pocketbooks. That’s the meaning of Fed independence. It keeps us prosperous as a nation. Once again, like with his tariffs, like with the big brutal betrayal, the tax cuts for billionaires, taking away health care from uh average folks, he’s hit us in the wallet again, almost as if he intends to harm the American consumer. So, I got to ask first and foremost, the only way that Trump has legal basis to go ahead and fire Lisa Cook is, as you know, for cause? Now, he’s trying to jin up some scandal about mortgage fraud, which is a claim that this administration has leveraged not just on Lisa Cook, but also on other people who they view as political opponents, including Adam Schiff. But can you talk about the legitimacy of this claim as it relates to Lisa Cook? It’s utterly ridiculous as to Lisa Cook. Uh the same is true with very similar claims that are being made about Donald Trump’s adversaries uh Adam Schiff uh and ag Tish James. In the case of Lisa Cook, uh what you have is the head uh of the uh uh federal agency uh that uh regulates mortgages, a sharp Trump partisan and campaign donor, Bill Py, who has um uh uh uh uh launched these smears against these three adversaries of Trump. Uh, of course, Donald Trump has a historical grudge against Adam Schiff for leading the first impeachment where I was a counsel. Uh, Tish James for prosecuting his own mortgage wrongdoing. And here with Lisa Cook, it appears what he wants to do is get one of his cronies on the Fed, undermining the independence so it can do what it wants. But as a legal matter, Brian, pause means doing something wrong on the job. inefficiency, neglective duty, malfeasance in office. It’s all jobreated stuff. Here you have um a tweet from Bill Py, the Trump partisan, uh alleging that Lisa Cook did wrong. That is not a legal basis for cause. No wonder uh she and her lawyers are saying they’re going to litigate it. They should because as has happened so many hundreds of times, uh, if this matter goes to court, the courts are going to say, “What? Again? Le first Adam Schiff, then Dish James, now Lisa Cook? Give me a break.” The courts are going to be very skeptical. As of right now, practically speaking, is Lisa Cook fired? Is she showing up to work? What are we dealing with in terms of the logistics of actually going to her job? Donald Trump’s pronouncement that um she’s fired has no legal basis. In my view, it’s null and void. She says she’s going to show up for work. She should show up for work. Um and of course, she should litigate this matter because what Donald Trump is doing once again, he’s abusing the rule of law. uh he’s turning us into a police state, not the United States. Uh we we don’t uh have presidents who uh criminalize their grudges against their political adversaries. That’s not what America is about. It’s like something out of the nightmares of the 20th century. So that’s why the courts have rejected him so often. He’s lost another uh big case today where he sued the entire federal judiciary of the district of Maryland and a a conservative judge, it was not a liberal Democrat, said this is laughable, threw the case out. I think that Donald Trump is doing the same thing with Lisa Cook. There is no pause based on a tweet from Bill Py. And so what are next steps now from a legal standpoint? Is her legal team seeking some type of injunction or temporary restraining order so that we can have some clarity here in terms of what happens tomorrow when she tries to show up to work? Um, they’ve said that they’re going to go to court uh to contest this. And unlike some of the other cases we’ve seen, the Supreme Court just said that the Federal Reserve is different, is entitled to more protections because it’s a uniquely structured quai private entity that follows in the distinct historical tradition of the first and second banks of the United States. What that means is Congress has more power based on the Constitution in our history to protect the Fed. They’ve done that with Fed governors by saying uh terminations must be for cause. Uh this is not for cause. So unlike some of the other cases, I think that uh Lisa Cook and her lawyers led by the brilliant Abby Low, I work with him often. uh his colleagues at Lolan Associates, they quit big law. Uh they set up on their own to fight for democracy and they’ve got themselves uh an important case here and I think this is one where there’s strong recent Supreme Court president from the Roberts court that helps them. Norm does it surprise you that as it relates to Bill Py, this guy is in his position solely to offer Donald Trump these baseless predicates to be able to launch attacks against his political opponents. That’s what this guy’s entire job boils down to. Well, uh, the Trump administration is full of people who instead of their qualifications for the job or providing their independent judgment, giving their best effort. Qualification is loyalty to Donald Trump. But PY is taking that to a whole other level by weaponizing uh mortgage applications against the uh perceived enemies of Donald Trump. And I don’t think the courts are going to stand for it. It stinks to high heaven. Um the judges of every party, Brian, as you know, over 200 times, uh judges appointed by Bush and Trump, judges appointed by Biden and Clinton and Obama, um have rejected illegalities of this administration. They’re trampling the rule of law. But these attacks criminalizing uh the uh political opposition to Donald Trump are some of the worst abuses. I think the courts are going to see through that. Nobody knows for sure, but it’s a noble fight and it’s one that must be waged. And those day in dayout fights, you and I often talk about them. We’ve covered so many different cases here. Um they are how we are going to hang on to this democracy of ours. Norm, can you talk about why Trump is so hellbent on being able to replace legitimate members of the Federal Reserve with his own appointed lackey? Um, he has the idea that if he puts his people on the Fed that they will lower interest rates, never mind the inflation risk, which is substantial, and that it will goose the economy. He’s panicky about uh the uh 2026 uh midterms and the backlash. So, he’s he’s thrashing about. He tried to find five extra seats in Texas. California’s checking him on that. God bless news, Governor Nuome, and the Californians for pushing back on that. So now he’s looking for something else to get him out of this bind that he’s created with his rule of law violations and his giveaways to his billionaire cronies. Uh, by the way, he likes to take these outrageous actions because it changes the subject from his biggest fear, the Trump Epstein files. We just filed a lawsuit to get a hold of those Trump Epstein files. He does. He wants to change the subject, but he also thinks he’s going to help the economy. But Brian, he’s hurting the economy, not helping it. Because by undermining the functioning of the Fed and the independence of the Fed, he’s weakening the dollar, that means we’re all going to pay more for things. And it weakens the economic position of the United States. It puts us all in jeopardy. The strength of our country is being undermined economically by Donald Trump’s behavior, plus the tariffs, plus the uh the tax cuts that took away the health care and other benefits from average folks. He’s destroying the economy instead of, as he thinks, gooseing it. And you know what? The American people see through him, 37% approval rating. They know what he’s doing. They’re actually smarter than the elites at times. You know, I think that’s such a great point about his efforts to kind of turbocharge the economy that ultimately are having the complete opposite effect. I mean, this effort to boost the economy by filling the Fed with his own self-appointed lackey is going to send inflation higher. That’s the whole reason the Fed isn’t doing it right now, which by the way used to be important when Republicans spent the last few years railing against high inflation. It was the whole reason that Joe Biden’s approval rating was as low as it is uh was as low as it was. And now Donald Trump’s approval rating to that exact point is as low as Joe Biden’s was with inflation rising every single month since March. And so he’s only going to exacerbate the very problem that he himself campaigned on fixing. And that’s to say nothing about the fact that he’s also promised to lower costs and instead has sent them surging with his misguided trade war and has said that he would uh protect earned benefits um and entitlements only to cut Medicaid for 17 million Americans and food assistance to the tune of $300 billion. So, it really does go to show how Donald Trump just pulled a bait and switch on his own supporters by promising them one thing when, you know, he wanted to manipulate people for their votes, but then once he got into power, he’s just more interested in the optics that he’s doing well as opposed to actually helping the economy. And of course, if we see any numbers that aren’t to his liking and that don’t lend themselves to his grand vision that Donald Trump has for himself, he’ll just fire the statisticians or or anybody who gives them kill the messenger. Kill the messengers. That’s exactly right. Um, you know, Norm, I I do want to take this opportunity um for folks who are watching right now. If you’re looking to support the invaluable work that Norm and his team are doing on the front lines, which is in the courts, please, I’m going to put the uh link to Democracy Defenders Fund right here on the screen. If you’d like to donate, these are the folks who are fighting again on the front lines. So, if you uh want to be able to donate and uh help these folks out, you can click the link right here on the screen and also in the post description of this video. Norm, I appreciate your time. Uh Brian, um so many people are rightly concerned about the direction of our country. Uh it’s so terrific to come on with you and your viewers and listeners to say, “Hey, um there is accountability. The American people are figuring it out.” And uh the courts um are an important part, not the only part, but are a very important part of doing that. So have me back anytime. uh Donald Trump is going to fail. And uh I’ll tell your listeners for the uh uh for the eenth time that uh they and your viewers uh are the ones who um represent the hope for this country. So uh keep on going folks. I’m joined now by candidate for the US Senate in Iowa, Zach Walls. Thanks so much for joining me. Thanks Brian. So, we have some major news out of Iowa that really did capture the entire attention of the country. And that was that there was a state legislative seat that was flipped. A 20 some odd point flip from red to blue from the 2024 election when Trump won that district by about 11 points to when Caitlyn Dre won that district uh uh just this week by about 10 points. So, a major a major flip. And so, how does that make you think about Iowa as you’re running right now in terms of you know, I know a lot of people will write the state off. How are you thinking about the state uh given what we’ve seen in the last 24 hours? Well, Brian, it’s really exciting for a couple different reasons. Uh first and foremost, even though this is probably what got a lot of the audience’s attention uh given the fact that this got national headlines, this is actually the fourth consecutive special election with a 20 point Democratic overperformance uh in just the last 6 months. Uh this is the second state senate seat that we have now flipped in Iowa uh that was won by Donald Trump in 2024. Uh so needless to say there is a lot of excitement and enthusiasm and uh in including the fact that Caitlyn actually broke the Republican supermajority by winning this seat. Uh our campaign had the opportunity to campaign with her this past weekend during Get Out the Vote. Uh, our supporters raised over $7,000 directly to Caitlin’s campaign to help make sure that she could uh stay competitive in the media wars and it was a real honor to have the chance to get to know her during the course of the campaign and to knock doors with her this past weekend. Uh, talking with a lot of Iowa voters who are really upset with the fact that the Trump administration has not brought down costs like he promised they would and the fact that Republicans have been a rubber stamp for his agenda, including Senator Joanie Ernst. Uh, that has actually made cost of living higher for most Ians rather than lower. Now, as it relates to Joanie Ern specifically, I’m going to throw uh a clip right here on the screen of a comment that got her a lot of national attention. You are arguing about illegals that are receiving Medicaid benefits, 1.4 million 1.4. They’re not they are not eligible. So, they will be coming off. So, we people are not Well, we all are going to die. So, [Music] [Applause] sense, folks. Okay. No. So, can I have your reaction to that comment? I know that it’s a couple of months old by now, but I think uh the sentiment probably still remains if you’re Joanie Ernst. Oh, absolutely. I mean, that comment has really put her on the back foot and I think really put this race on the map, not just here in Iowa, but all over the country. uh there’s been a real ground swell of support uh for our campaign against her because I think saw it and so many of us all over the country saw just how out of touch she is. I don’t think that’s a comment that she necessarily makes 12 years ago when she’s first running for the US Senate. I think it’s a clear example of how she’s really gone Washington and I don’t think I are happy about that. Uh I think it just demonstrates just how out of how out of touch she is and uh the fact that you know she’s no longer the the person that she once was. As it relates to to your race uh specifically, there was some polling out that tested a bunch of Democratic candidates against Joanie Ernst. You scored the highest and in this hypothetical matchup uh you scored 45 to 44 against Joanie Ernst. Um so how are you thinking about that polling in terms of when you you’re speaking to folks in that state? And and and the reason I ask is because you know a lot of times when we have these states that have consistently voted red and I think the last time Iowa voted for a Democrat, if I’m not mistaken, was 2008 for Barack Obama. Is that correct? In the presidential 2012, President Obama carried a university election. So it’s it’s been a minute and and I think that that we think of a lot of these states as like as like not worth expending energy and resources in places that are just trending in the opposite direction. And so what did that poll result tell you, you know, despite uh kind of the common knowledge that people might have about your state? Well, I think one thing that’s really interesting in that poll is that Joanie Ernst favorability lags 17 points behind where Donald Trump is. So there is an enormous number of the number of people in the electorate who still approve of Donald Trump but have an unsatisfactory view of of Joanie Ernst, which tells me that there is an enormous number of Ians who are willing to give anybody a second look who’s not Joanie Ernst. Uh but our message is clearly resonating with people, which is why we’re the strongest candidate to defeat Senator Erns next November. Uh we were the only candidate who when voters learned more about the folks who are running actually moved ahead of Senator Ernst in a direct head-to-head matchup. Uh we know that she’s vulnerable and we know that the uh agenda that she has voted for is uniquely bad for Iowa. Uh tariffs have been devastating for our farmers and for our light manufacturers. Uh the cuts to Medicaid are going to have a devastating impact for rural healthcare providers. Mass deportations are not going to be good for our state and cuts to SNAP are not only going to hurt struggling families, they’re going to have a devastating impact on farm incomes, grocery stores as well. And so we know that Jonie Ernst has been a rubber stamp for this agenda that is actually raising costs uh by doing things like ending investments in clean energy that are going to increase utility bills by hundreds of dollars a year in our state. Uh so from my perspective, I think it shows conclusively uh that Senator Ernst is very vulnerable in 2026. And the only thing I would add, Brian, is that Iowa, despite being perceived as as being more Republican over the last few years, uh, as late as 2020, we had three of our four members of the US House, were Democrats. Uh, back when we had Abby Finanau, Cindy Axne, and Dave Loack. Our state auditor, Rob Sand, continues to hold statewide office. He’s a Democrat who has consistently won statewide elections. And Iowa is in fact the third most likely state in the country where voters split their tickets between Democrats and Republicans. And so there’s no doubt that Donald Trump has been popular in our state. He’s won uh this state in 2016, in 2020, and in 2024. At the same time, Joanie Ernst has never had to run in a cycle where the environment is better for Democrats. She’s consistently uh been underperformed Donald Trump in 2020 and the Republican candidate for governor in 2014. So, this will be the first time where she’s ever had to face voters uh in a climate that’s actually positive for Democrats. And we believe that we are building a coalition that cannot just bring new people into the Democratic party, but can actually win over independents and Republicans. Uh that same poll saw me winning independents uh by almost 20 points. Uh in fact, even winning 7% of voters who voted for Donald Trump in 2024, more than any other Democrat in the race. So, we’ve spoken a lot about kind of the the the negative attributes of Donald Trump and Joanie Ernst and the case against those people, but I think, you know, it’s important to recognize that there has to be an affirmative case for you as well. And so, in terms of what your affirmative case is for voters, that that’s not just how bad Trump and Ernst are. Um, what what has been most resonant in terms of the message that you’re bringing to voters? Absolutely. Well, some of your uh you know audience may recall a speech that I gave back when I was a college sophomore about marriage equality and defending the freedom to marry for my two moms and for all Ians. Uh and I brought that same level of courage to my entire work in politics and over the last seven years of serving in the state senate. I think Ians are looking for people who have the political backbone uh to take on leaders in both parties when they’re not working for Ians. Whether that means uh standing up to your own party when it’s necessary, pushing for our party to do better and actually be more effective in representing our constituents or be willing to stand up to Donald Trump when that’s what it takes and he’s pursuing policies that are bad for Iowa like the tariffs where Joanie Ernst on the other hand has been a total rubber stamp. And so from my perspective uh we are laser focused on Joanie Ernst. We are focused on the fact that she’s been a rubber stamp for an agenda that is increasing costs, that is not growing paychecks, and she has become a part of the problem that she said she’d solve. Back in 2014, she ran for office, said that she would only serve two terms in the US Senate, and now she’s gearing up to launch her campaign for her third term. It’s exactly the kind of typical Washington DC behavior that people in Iowa are sick of, and that’s why they’re ready to make a change. when you have gone around the state, have you had the opportunity to meet with or or um or talk to Republicans or independents, Trump voters, whoever it may be, who are kind of disillusioned by what they’re seeing from the Republican party, which is this, you know, very clear bait and switch. Trump came into office promising lower costs, lower groceries, lower housing, lower rent. Uh all he’s done is is launch a trade war that’s exacerbated all of those costs. He promised to release the Epstein files that now they’re engaged in the biggest cover up in American history on that. They promised to, you know, end the Ukraine Russia war on day one. That hasn’t happened. Promised to make IVF free. That hasn’t happened. And yet, they always managed to find enough political capital to give millionaires and billionaires tax cuts. And so, there is this very massive bait and switch happening at the hands of of people like Donald Trump and Joanie Ernst. Have you heard from the actual voters though kind of uh echoing that sentiment? Yeah, absolutely. So, we’re talking about exactly the issues that you just outlined, Brian. Uh, and I’ll tell you that is resonating with people. We aren’t just reaching out to Democrats for the events that we’re hosting, whether they’re in big cities or small towns. We’re reaching out to those independents and we’re reaching out to Republicans because in order to defeat Joanie Ernst in this state, that is what it is going to take. And there are enough people who are frustrated by all the chaos uh and the fact that Washington DC is more focused uh on things that are not lowering costs for Ians that they are coming out to our events. They are endorsing our campaign. Uh we’re the only campaign so far to have received support from across the political spectrum and we were the first campaign to receive grassroots donations from all of Iowa’s 99 counties and not all of those donations came from registered Democrats. Uh we are building a new coalition that is going to bring to people together, defeat Joanie Ernst and bring some real generational change to Washington DC. Uh if I’m elected, I will be the youngest member of the US Senate. although I will be a little older than Senator Oaf was when he was first elected uh back when he came uh into to Washington. Uh and so we feel like there’s a lot of enthusiasm for the campaign and it’s not just coming from Democrats. There are a lot of independents and even some Republicans who are ready to make a change. Zack, what would it mean more broadly um if Democrats are able to win in this offensive opportunity in what is otherwise a pretty dismal Senate map that we’re contending with? Yeah, absolutely. getting to 51 seats in the US Senate this cycle. And we can’t just get to 50 because JD Vance can break the tie. We need 51 seats in the US Senate. And getting to 51 without Iowa in this cycle is going to be exceptionally difficult. It’s part of why we’re trying to build a strong 99ount grassroots campaign that learns the best lessons from the Obama campaigns in 2008 and 2012 that puts a real emphasis on meeting voters where they are. And in some respects, just kind of getting back uh to the basics, right, of actually talking with our neighbors, our family, our friends, the people we see at church or at coffee or at the grocery store about why this campaign matters and then trying to actually make Iowa a better state along the way. Uh one of my favorite uh things that we’re doing at our campaign is that is when we distribute our yard signs in the communities that we are visiting. Uh we ask folks, we reach out to the community service agencies in those areas, we ask what supplies do you need? And then we ask our supporters to bring those supplies in exchange for a yard sign. Uh we’ve gathered nearly a,000 pounds of supplies to community service agencies across Iowa that are unfortunately in desperate need of these supplies because of where things are with the economy right now and the cuts that are happening in Washington. So we’re not just waiting for election day to build a better state. We’re getting to work right now. And finally, you know, there there are going to be a lot of people asking folks for for uh for funds and and donations. And so why is it important um that they donate to a state that they would otherwise have in their mind is redder and more difficult to win than some of the easier pickup opportunities? Again, to get to 51 seats in the US Senate, we have to be competitive in Iowa and we have to defeat Joanie Ernst. And we’re not waiting until the primary is over next June to get to work on building out the statewide operation. We’re starting today because if we wait until next June, then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy and it’s too late. But because this message is resonating with people and because we have some of the early resources that we need uh to begin that work, we’re asking people for their support. Uh they can go to our website, zackwalls.com, uh to learn more about the campaign, to make a contribution, and to get involved. We’ve got lots of grassroots volunteer opportunities all over Iowa. And uh we’re looking for support because that’s what it’s going to take to build a grassroots operation that’s strong enough to go toe-to-toe with Senator Ernst and her billionaire and corporate backers. Uh, we made the decision on day one, we’re not taking a dime of corporate pack money. We are 100% peoplepowered. Something that I wear with the badge of honor. And I think when we talk about cleaning up the political corruption and being willing to stand up to the establishment and both parties, this is a great example of putting our values into action. But we can’t do it alone. We’re counting on grassroots supporters all over Iowa and across the country to make this work possible. And so if this resonates with you, we would love to have your support. Uh, and I hope that I can count on folks for uh, who are interested in learning more to go to the website and to chip in. Awesome. I’ll put that uh, website right here on the screen and also in the post description. If you’re listening on the podcast, it’ll be in the show notes. Zack, appreciate your time. Best luck in the campaign trail. Thanks, Brian. To listen to the audio version of this episode, click the thumbnail right here on the screen to subscribe to my podcast. And, of course, to see more of my content, the subscribe button’s on the screen as well.

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