Putin says Russia ‘never oppossed’ EU membership for Ukraine but Nato bid ‘unacceptable’ | Rada deputy welcomes statement, and accuses West of using Ukraine as ‘no more than a convenient tool’: “The West realised there was a way to use some Russians against other Russians — and they did just that”

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1. >Putin says russia never opposed EU membership for Ukraine but NATO bid unacceptable

   Someone remind senile grandpa that his regime has no vote in EU and NATO.

2. Artem Dmitruk, Ukraine’s parliament (Rada) deputy welcomed Putin’s statement, and added:

   “Sometimes people tell me, Ukrainians are closer to the West, the West accepts us as its own. To this I reply: this is fundamentally not true. The West will never perceive us as equals. As slaves — yes. As a tool — yes. But not as partners. For the West, Ukrainians are the same as Russians. There is no, and never has been a difference. It’s just that one day they found a convenient tool: to use some Russians against other Russians”.

   “The issue is, there’s always been our ‘authorities’ who, for three kopecks, would take jobs in the colonial project of ‘anti-Russia Ukraine’. That is the problem: our main enemy is not the West, or the Russian Federation, but us”.

   “With the West, we should build completely different relations — equal, based on partnership, without slavery and humiliation”.

3. Even if Putin is fine with Ukraine in the EU he will do everything to install a Fico or Orban in Kyiv. He doesn’t want Ukraine to be neutral, he wants them to be fully aligned with and dependent on Russia.

4. The EU would be a fool to let Ukraine in the EU while they have to play nice with Russia. Might as well let Russia in at that point.

5. Oh, is that why he offered Yanukovitsch a 10 times better deal than the EU in 2014 to join his trade union?

6. Really? I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 when it was having protests over Ukraine’s association agreement with the EU being abrogated by Yanukovich in favor of a Russian deal?

   This was never about NATO, prior to its invasion of Ukraine- Russia could always count on its corrupt friends in Germany, Hungary, etc to veto any serious Ukrainian attempt to join NATO. 

   At any rate, what is Russia so scared of about NATO? Estonia is a NATO member for years, and yet there have been no false flag attacks to justify a seizure of St Petersburg. 

   This has always been about Russia needing to keep Ukraine poorer and worse off than Russia, otherwise Russian people might start to openly wonder how their own lives might also be improved by integrating with Europe and dismantling the Oligarchy.

7. Invaders always want peace of course.

   Russia invaded Ukraine even before NATO existed. Even before the US existed. It’s just what they do. They’ll keep doing it as long as they have the capacity to do it.

8. Its very simple.

   Russia = Geopolitical rival both in military and energy vs. the US.
   Ukraine = Perfect tool to cripple Russia as much as possible.

   I really don’t understand why people are trying to split atoms when its a simple matter of geopolitics.

9. Does he remember that he first invaded Ukraine in 2014 because they were going to associate with- not even join- the EU? NATO wasn’t even involved, Ukraine was constitutionally barred from joining up.

   Perhaps he’s going senile. More likely he is lying

10. The EU defence treaty is stronger than Natos.

    One can also argue that the EU defence treaty is the only one that actually deters Russia with the USA being a puppet today.

11. >Russia ‘never oppossed’ EU membership for Ukraine

    Lol, they couldn’t even accept the EU trade pact. How many times have they threatened to completely f*ck Ukraine with import tariffs since 2013? They would have never accepted Ukraine in the EU.

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