Lawrence: The most perverse thing during Blanche/Maxwell interview was their laughter

Lawrence: The most perverse thing during Blanche/Maxwell interview was their laughter

YOUR CHEST FROM BEING AWAY. SO NOW WE CAN TUNE IN TO SEE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE TO SAY. >> THANKS, JEN. >> THANK YOU. THANKS, LAWRENCE. HAVE A GOOD SHOW. >> THE WORST THING ABOUT IT IS. >> THE LAUGHTER. THAT’S THE PART THAT THE NEWS REPORTS HAVEN’T TOLD YOU ABOUT. THERE WAS. >> A LOT. >> OF LAUGHTER. THEY ALL LAUGHED. >> AND NO ONE. LAUGHED MORE THAN GHISLAINE MAXWELL. IN NINE HOURS OF WHAT TURNED OUT TO BE CASUAL CONVERSATION SPREAD OVER A THURSDAY. >> AND A FRIDAY IN FLORIDA. THE SINGLE SICKEST. >> REACTION YOU COULD HAVE IN THAT DISCUSSION OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN AND GHISLAINE MAXWELL’S. >> SEX CRIMES. >> WAS LAUGHTER. >> AND THEY. >> ALL DID IT. >> GLENN MAXWELL LAUGHED. >> THE. >> MOST. >> JOINED BY HER THREE CRIMINAL DEFENSE. >> LAWYERS. >> AND THEIR LAUGHTER WAS JOINED BY. >> THE FOUR. >> PEOPLE FROM THE TRUMP. JUSTICE DEPARTMENT SITTING IN THAT ROOM WITH A CONVICTED. >> SEX TRAFFICKER, AN. INDICTED PERJURER. >> AND THEY LAUGHED. >> THE DAY. >> AWAY WITH HER TWO DAYS IN A ROW. >> BUT THAT’S NOT IN THE. TRANSCRIPT RELEASED. >> BY THE. >> TRUMP JUSTICE. DEPARTMENT ON A FRIDAY AFTERNOON, BECAUSE IT IS NOT A REAL TRANSCRIPT OF WHAT ACTUALLY. >> HAPPENED IN THAT ROOM. NO COURT. >> REPORTER. >> NO STENOGRAPHER WAS ALLOWED IN THAT ROOM. AND SO. >> THIS TRANSCRIPT. >> THAT WE. >> HAVE. >> IT’S NOT REAL. >> ON PAGE 215 OF THIS FIRST DAY’S TRANSCRIPT, A. >> WOMAN WHO IS BEING. CALLED THE OFFICIAL. >> TRANSCRIPTIONIST SAYS. >> IN WRITING THAT. SHE WAS QUOTE, PROVIDED AUDIO RECORDING. >> MEDIA. AND SO THIS. >> IS NOT A. >> TRANSCRIPT OF EVERYTHING THAT WAS SAID. >> IN THAT ROOM. >> THIS IS. >> A TRANSCRIPT. ONLY OF. >> WHAT WAS RECORDED IN THAT ROOM. AND THE RECORDING WAS GIVEN TO SOMEONE. >> TO TYPE IT UP. >> SO WE. >> HAVE NO. IDEA WHAT. >> WAS. SAID IN THAT. ROOM BEFORE. >> AN FBI. AGENT PRESSED RECORD. >> AND WE HAVE NO IDEA. >> WHAT WAS. >> SAID. >> IN. THAT ROOM AFTER. >> AN FBI. >> AGENT. PRESSED STOP. >> BUT THANKS TO THE. >> RECORDING THAT WE DO HAVE, WE CAN HEAR. >> THE LAUGHTER. >> MOST COURT REPORTERS WILL NOTE LAUGHTER WHEN IT OCCURS IN A COURT TRANSCRIPT OR A DEPOSITION TRANSCRIPT, BUT THE LAUGHTER. >> IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE TRANSCRIPT. >> THAT WAS RELEASED. AND NEWS. >> ORGANIZATIONS TRYING TO QUICKLY REPORT TO YOU THE NEWS. >> THAT’S IN. >> THAT TRANSCRIPT. >> DO NOT HAVE THE TIME. >> TO LISTEN TO THE AUDIO RECORDING. >> THAT’S NINE HOURS. THEY CAN SPEED READ. >> THE TRANSCRIPT. >> MUCH. >> FASTER, AND THEY CAN SEARCH. >> FOR KEY WORDS IN THE. >> TRANSCRIPT AND DELIVER TO YOU WHAT. >> THEY THINK IS THE NEWS CONTAINED IN THAT TRANSCRIPT. >> AS FAST AS THEY CAN. >> BUT THERE’S A PRICE TO THAT SPEED. >> BECAUSE YOU DON’T. >> YOU DON’T FIND OUT ABOUT. >> THE LAUGHTER. >> THE MOST PERVERSE THING THAT. >> YOU COULD. POSSIBLY HAVE. >> DONE IN THAT ROOM WAS TO. FILL THAT ROOM WITH LAUGHTER, WHICH GHISLAINE MAXWELL DID REPEATEDLY. GHISLAINE MAXWELL AND DONALD TRUMP’S FORMER CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYER, WHO. >> APPEARED TO BE ACTING AS. >> DONALD TRUMP’S CRIMINAL. DEFENSE LAWYER, IN THAT ROOM, LAUGHING ABOUT HER MEMORIES. >> AND FAILURE OF MEMORIES, ABOUT. >> HER DECADES. OF TIME. >> SPENT WITH JEFFREY. >> EPSTEIN. >> IN WHICH SHE. DESCRIBED HERSELF. >> AND HER CRIMINAL. COCONSPIRATOR JEFFREY EPSTEIN, AS FRIENDS WITH BENEFITS. >> SHE WAS. >> FRIENDS WITH A LOT OF. >> OTHER PEOPLE BESIDES JEFFREY EPSTEIN. >> ACCORDING TO HER. >> AND DONALD TRUMP’S FORMER CRIMINAL. >> DEFENSE LAWYER, TODD BLANCHE. >> NOW THE. >> DEPUTY ATTORNEY. GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES OF. >> AMERICA, DESPERATELY WANTED. >> TO GET AS. >> MANY OF THOSE NAMES IN THE. >> TRANSCRIPT AS. >> POSSIBLE SO THAT THE NAME DONALD. >> TRUMP COULD BE SWIMMING IN A SEA OF. >> OTHER WELL-KNOWN NAMES. INCLUDING AS MANY. >> KENNEDYS AS POSSIBLE. >> SENATOR TED KENNEDY, WHO NEVER MET JEFFREY EPSTEIN AND DIED IN 2009. >> WAS BROUGHT INTO THE DISCUSSION. >> BY TODD BLANCHE. >> AS WAS JOHN F. >> KENNEDY JR, WHO DIED. >> IN. >> 1999 AND NEVER MET. >> JEFFREY EPSTEIN. >> BUT TODD. >> BLANCHE MANAGED TO. >> DRAG JOHN. >> F KENNEDY JR. >> INTO THIS. >> DISCUSSION, WHICH. WAS NOT AN INTERVIEW. IT WAS. >> NOT A DEPOSITION. >> IT WAS JUST. >> WHAT IT. >> SOUNDS LIKE WHEN YOU LISTEN TO. >> IT, A PLEASANT DISCUSSION. >> AMONG FRIENDS. THAT’S WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE. >> TODD BLANCHE IS FRIENDS. >> WITH GHISLAINE MAXWELL’S. >> CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYER. >> WHO’S A VERY FRIENDLY CHAT. TODD BLANCHE REACHED OUT TO HELP ELAINE MAXWELL IN EVERY WAY HE POSSIBLY COULD. IN HIS VERY FRIENDLY CONVERSATION WITH HER, HE. HELPED FINISH HER ANSWERS WHEN HE. >> COULD. >> LEAVING GHISLAINE MAXWELL’S CRIMINAL. >> DEFENSE LAWYER. >> NO NEED. TO EVER LEAN IN TO. >> BE PROTECTIVE. >> OF HIS CLIENT IN ANY WAY. WHEN THE QUESTIONING. >> GOT TOO TOUGH. >> BECAUSE IT NEVER CAME CLOSE TO BEING CHALLENGING. >> IN ANY. >> WAY FOR GHISLAINE MAXWELL, MAXWELL’S CRIMINAL. DEFENSE LAWYER, DAVID MARCUS. >> WAS SO RELAXED WITH HIS. >> PERSONAL FRIEND TODD BLANCHE. >> DOING THE QUESTIONING THAT. >> WHEN. >> GHISLAINE MAXWELL. MENTIONED AN INVESTMENT. SHE CLAIMS. >> SHE MADE IN MICROSOFT, HER. >> CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYER THOUGHT THAT’S THE PERFECT. TIME FOR HIM. >> TO. THROW IN. >> A JOKE, WHICH WAS. >> QUOTE, DON’T CHARGE. >> HER WITH. INSIDER TRADING. AND THAT GOT A. >> BIG LAUGH IN. >> THE ROOM BECAUSE THAT’S THE KIND. >> OF ROOM IT WAS. >> IT WAS A JOKE. >> LEGALLY. THE WHOLE THING WAS A JOKE FROM START TO FINISH, AND LEGALLY IT WAS A TRAVESTY FROM. >> START TO FINISH. GLENN MAXWELL LAUGHED. EASILY AND CONFIDENTLY WHEN SHE SPOKE WITH OR. >> ABOUT MEETING. >> JOHN F. >> KENNEDY JR AND HER, OR WAS BASED ENTIRELY ON HOW HANDSOME HE WAS AND HOW MUCH SHE PUT. >> IT. >> TO TODD. >> BLANCHE. >> SHE, QUOTE. FANCIED JFK JUNIOR. >> THAT WAS ONE OF THE. >> MANY COMPLETELY. USELESS AND INANE AND TIME WASTING AND DISGRACEFUL. >> DIGRESSIONS IN THAT. >> FRIENDLY DISCUSSION. >> THAT LASTED NINE HOURS AND HAD LESS THAN ONE HOUR OF RELEVANT DISCUSSION TO THE CRIMES OF JEFFREY. >> EPSTEIN AND GHISLAINE MAXWELL. GHISLAINE MAXWELL. >> NOW SAYS THEY’RE ALL LYING. >> SHE RECEIVED. >> NO CHALLENGE. >> AT ALL FROM. >> DONALD. >> TRUMP’S CRIMINAL DEFENSE. >> LAWYER. >> NOW THE DEPUTY. ATTORNEY GENERAL, WHEN. >> SHE SAID. >> THAT ELAINE MAXWELL. >> SAID THAT EVERY. >> VICTIM WHO TESTIFIED. >> IN HER CRIMINAL TRIAL WHERE. >> SHE WAS. CONVICTED WAS. LYING AND. >> COMMITTING PERJURY. >> AND TODD BLANCHE SAID AT THE END OF A DAY OF SUCH. >> LIES BY GHISLAINE. >> MAXWELL, EVERYTHING. >> WAS. >> GREAT TODAY. >> QUOTE. EVERYTHING WAS GREAT TODAY. I THINK THAT WE IT WAS VERY. HELPFUL AND I. APPRECIATE YOU TRYING. TO BE. AS COMPLETE. >> AS YOU CAN. I APPRECIATE. YOU TRYING TO BE AS COMPLETE AS YOU CAN COMPLETE. WHY DIDN’T HE SAY HONEST? WHY DIDN’T HE SAY TRUTHFUL? BECAUSE EVEN TODD BLANCHE. >> KNEW HE COULDN’T. POSSIBLY GET AWAY. >> WITH THE. >> SUGGESTION THAT WHAT GHISLAINE MAXWELL WAS. >> SAYING WAS. >> HONEST, AND YOU COULDN’T POSSIBLY EVEN CLAIM THAT IT WAS COMPLETE. BUT COMPLETE. >> WAS A SAFER. >> WORD. >> FOR HIM TO USE. >> HERE’S AN. >> ANSWER AND YOU CAN GUESS THE QUESTION. 2015. >> 2016, 2017. >> THAT WAS AN. ACTUAL ANSWER. >> BY GHISLAINE MAXWELL. THE QUESTION WAS WHEN IS THE LAST TIME YOU. >> SPOKE TO JEFFREY EPSTEIN? >> AND THE ANSWER WAS. >> 2015. >> 2016, 2017. >> SHE HAD. NO IDEA. >> ACCORDING TO HER UNDER OATH. CONVERSATION QUESTION, WHEN’S THE LAST TIME YOU SPOKE WITH HIM? >> GHISLAINE MAXWELL MAYBE 2016? >> 2017? MAYBE 2016? 2015. >> 2016, 2017? >> IN THAT AREA. >> I. BELIEVE THAT. >> IS WHAT. >> DONALD TRUMP’S. >> CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYER, TODD BLANCHE, CALLS COMPLETE. HE LET HER. GET AWAY WITH ANYTHING. >> SHE WANTED TO GET. >> AWAY WITH, INCLUDING. >> REFUSING TO ANSWER THE. SIMPLE QUESTION WHEN. >> IS THE. >> LAST TIME. >> YOU SPOKE TO JEFFREY EPSTEIN? >> ON THE. >> FIRST DAY OF THE QUESTIONING. THAT FRIENDLY. >> DISCUSSION. >> GLENN MAXWELL SAID. >> I’VE NEVER RECRUITED A MASSEUSE FROM MAR-A-LAGO. FOR THAT, AS FAR AS I REMEMBER. >> AND ON THE SECOND DAY, SHE CHANGED. THAT TO SAY SHE HAD. >> NO MEMORY OF DOING THAT, BUT CONSIDERED IT WITHIN THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY. >> AND THAT’S. >> BECAUSE VIRGINIA GIUFFRE. >> TESTIFIED UNDER OATH THAT GHISLAINE MAXWELL RECRUITED HER FOR JEFFREY EPSTEIN. >> WHEN SHE WAS. >> IN HIGH SCHOOL, WORKING. >> AS AN ASSISTANT. >> ON DONALD TRUMP’S PAYROLL. AT THE. SPA AT MAR A LAGO, VIRGINIA. >> GIUFFRE TESTIFIED. >> THAT GHISLAINE. MAXWELL WAS IN THE ROOM WITH HER IN THE ROOM WITH HER THE FIRST. >> TIME SHE HAD SEX WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN. QUOTE. >> THEY ASKED ME. >> TO LICK HIS. >> NIPPLES AND GIVE HIM ORAL SEX, AND GHISLAINE MAXWELL WAS. >> DOING THE SAME THINGS THAT SHE ASKED ME TO DO. FOR HIM. WHILE TOUCHING ME IN, AS. >> IN. >> MY PRIVATE AREAS. AS WELL. >> AND THEN. AT THE VERY END. THEY INSTRUCTED ME TO GET ON. >> TOP OF EPSTEIN. AND THAT’S HOW THE NIGHT ENDED. SHE WAS ASKED. WHY SHE. >> WENT BACK. >> AND SHE SAID. >> THAT ANSWER IS SO COMPLICATED. I COULD HAVE RUN. I SHOULD. >> HAVE RUN. >> I WISH I RAN. >> BUT FEAR. >> WAS ONE. >> FEAR OF WHAT HAPPENS IF I THESE BAD PEOPLE OFF. I MEAN, I KNOW. THEY’RE POWERFUL. YOU COULD LISTEN TO. >> ALL NINE HOURS OF THIS VERY FRIENDLY DISCUSSION AND WONDER WHAT IT WAS ALL ABOUT. WONDER WHY IT WAS HAPPENING. TODD BLANCHE SHOWED. >> NO PROSECUTORIAL INTEREST OF ANY. KIND IN ANY OTHER. >> POSSIBLE CRIMES. THE ONLY. THING HE SEEMED TO COME TO FLORIDA. >> TO. >> HEAR FROM GLENN MAXWELL IS THAT DONALD TRUMP NEVER GOT. A MASSAGE FROM ONE. >> OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S. >> VICTIMS, RECRUITED BY GHISLAINE MAXWELL AND. >> TODD. BLANCHE WANTED TO FILL UP THE TRANSCRIPT. >> WITH NAMES OF OTHER. >> FAMOUS PEOPLE. THAT’S IT. >> GHISLAINE MAXWELL UNDERSTOOD. >> THE MISSION FROM THE START TO DELIVER FAMOUS. >> NAMES TO HELP FLOOD THE EPSTEIN ZONE. >> WITH FAMOUS NAMES IN. >> ORDER TO INSULATE ONE NAME IN THE EPSTEIN FILES, DONALD TRUMP AND SO ON. DAY TWO. >> OF HER. FRIENDLY CONVERSATION WITH TODD BLANCHE. >> SHE BEGAN BY VOLUNTEERING. QUOTE, SOME MORE NAMES DID. >> COME TO ME IN THE NIGHT. >> OF COURSE. >> THEY DID. >> TODD BLANCHE BROUGHT UP THE NAME ELON MUSK, AND SURE ENOUGH, ELAINE MAXWELL SAID SHE MET ELON MUSK IN A SITUATION HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN. >> BUT TODD. >> BLANCHE MANAGED TO GET ELON MUSK’S NAME IN THE EPSTEIN FILES AS SOME SORT OF TRUMPIAN REVENGE FOR ELON MUSK, SAYING THAT DONALD TRUMP WAS IN THE EPSTEIN FILES BACK WHEN ELON. >> MUSK WAS HAVING ONE OF HIS. >> FITS ABOUT DONALD TRUMP. AFTER LEAVING ELON MUSK’S DISGRACEFUL AND DESTRUCTIVE WORK IN THE TRUMP GOVERNMENT. >> TODD BLANCHE. >> GOT THE CUOMO BROTHERS IN THERE, ANDREW AND. >> CHRISTOPHER. >> SIMPLY BECAUSE AT SOME POINT GHISLAINE MAXWELL MET THEM. GHISLAINE MAXWELL MADE ONE FAUX PAS WHEN SHE BROUGHT UP WITHOUT BEING QUESTIONED ABOUT HIM. ROBERT KENNEDY JR DONALD TRUMP’S MOST DEADLY CABINET MEMBER. >> SHE TESTIFIED. >> THAT BOBBY KENNEDY. >> AS SHE. >> CALLS HIM. >> WAS VERY. >> FRIENDLY WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN. UNLIKE THE CUOMO BROTHERS AND SO MANY OTHERS WHO WERE NEEDLESSLY MENTIONED IN THAT DISCUSSION, THE FEDERAL PROSECUTORS WHO CONVICTED GHISLAINE MAXWELL OF. SEX TRAFFICKING SHOWED THE JURY $30 MILLION IN BANK TRANSFERS FROM JEFFREY EPSTEIN TO GLENN MAXWELL. >> TODD BLANCHE. >> SPENT A FEW MINUTES ON THE SECOND DAY DISCUSSING THE $30 MILLION THAT THE PROSECUTOR SAID WAS GLENN MAXWELL’S REWARD FOR HER PARTICIPATION IN JEFFREY. >> EPSTEIN’S SEX CRIMES AND FOR. >> RECRUITING THE YOUNG GIRLS WHO JEFFREY EPSTEIN RAPED. GHISLAINE MAXWELL’S RESPONSES. >> TO EVERY. >> QUESTION ABOUT THE $30 MILLION WERE NONSENSICAL. >> WHEN TODD BLANCHE. >> ASKED HER. >> ABOUT HIS SPECIFIC. PAYMENT OF $7.4. >> MILLION IN 2007, GHISLAINE MAXWELL. >> SAID I DON’T PERSONALLY HAVE. >> ANY MEMORY OF. RECEIVING A CHECK FROM HIM FOR $7 MILLION, AND THAT WAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR TODD BLANCHE. THAT WAS THE END OF THAT. ELAINE MAXWELL TRIED TO SUGGEST THAT THERE WAS SOME KIND OF SHELL GAME GOING ON WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S MONEY, AND THAT THE $30 MILLION TRANSFERRED INTO HER ACCOUNTS UNDER HER CONTROL WASN’T REALLY HER MONEY, SHE SAID. I DON’T BELIEVE ANY OF THAT WAS MY MONEY. >> AND SHE. >> SAID THAT AFTER HAVING BEEN FORMALLY WARNED AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS FRIENDLY DISCUSSION THAT. >> THE. >> ONE THING SHE’S NOT ALLOWED TO DO IN THE DISCUSSION IS LIE, TODD BLANCHE WARNED HER THAT IT’S A CRIME TO. >> LIE TO. >> A FEDERAL PROSECUTOR OR TO AN FBI AGENT SITTING AT THAT TABLE AND HAVING HEARD THAT WARNING. GHISLAINE MAXWELL HAD THE AUDACITY. >> TO SAY, I DON’T BELIEVE ANY OF THAT WAS MY MONEY, $30 MILLION. >> IN HER ACCOUNTS. >> I DON’T BELIEVE ANY OF THAT. WAS MY MONEY. AND YOU’LL NEVER GUESS WHAT THE DEPUTY. >> ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES. >> SAID. >> IN RESPONSE TO THAT, HE SAID, YES, I UNDERSTAND THAT. >> THAT IS THE OFFICIAL. >> TRUMP JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. >> VIEW OF. >> THE $30. >> MILLION. >> THAT WENT FROM JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S ACCOUNTS TO ELAINE MAXWELL’S ACCOUNTS, THE TRUMP JUSTICE DEPARTMENT THINKS WHATEV. >> SAYS. >> ABOUT IT MAKES SENSE WHEN NOT ONE WORD OF IT MADE ANY. >> SENSE OR SOUNDED. >> IN ANY WAY, ANYWHERE CLOSE TO TRUTH. WE DISCOVERED IN THIS VERY FRIENDLY DISCUSSION THAT TODD BLANCHE HAS NEVER BEEN TO DAVOS. ELAINE MAXWELL. >> ASKED HIM. >> HAVE YOU BEEN TO DAVOS? TO WHICH HE SAID, NO, I HAVE. NOT ANOTHER IN THOSE CRAZY, TIME WASTING, IRRELEVANT. DISCUSSION DIVERSIONS. AND AT ONE POINT TODD BLANCHE ASKED ELAINE MAXWELL, WHY DO YOU THINK THAT? AND HER ANSWER ACTUALLY WAS, QUOTE, MY FEMALE INTUITION. >> AND THAT. >> WAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR TODD. >> BLANCHE. >> THAT WAS TODD BLANCHE ACCEPTING THAT FROM A CONVICTED SEX TRAFFICKER. >> GLENN MAXWELL’S WORST LIES. >> HER UGLIEST LIES. >> THE PERJURY SHE. >> COMMITTED IN THAT ROOM WITHOUT ANY FEAR OF BEING CHARGED. >> WITH PERJURY. >> AGAIN BY THE TRUMP JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. THE WORST OF IT WERE THE. >> LIES SHE. TOLD ABOUT OUR FIRST GUESTS TONIGHT. SHE BLAMED. >> ALL OF HER. >> PROBLEMS ON BRAD. >> EDWARDS, AN ATTORNEY FOR THE EPSTEIN VICTIMS. BRAD EDWARDS WILL JOIN US TONIGHT FOR THE SECOND TIME. WHEN HE JOINED US ON THIS PROGRAM EARLIER IN THE SUMMER, CONGRESS. >> WAS WATCHING. >> WHEN HE ADVISED MEMBERS OF CONGRESS TO SUBPOENA THE. >> EPSTEIN BIRTHDAY. >> BOOK THAT THE WALL STREET JOURNAL FIRST REPORTED ON. THAT CONTAINS. >> A. >> BIRTHDAY NOTE WITH DONALD TRUMP’S NAME ON IT. CONGRESSMAN RO KHANNA WAS WATCHING AND HE WENT TO WORK. AND SO CONGRESS HAS SUBPOENAED. >> THAT BOOK, AND. >> CONGRESS IS GOING TO HEAR TOMORROW. >> FROM SOME OF THE EPSTEIN VICTIMS. >> GLENN MAXWELL. >> SAID UNDER OATH THAT BRAD EDWARDS CONSPIRED TO CREATE. >> THIS FALSE. >> CRIMINAL PROSECUTION AGAINST HER. BRAD EDWARDS WILL RESPOND TO THAT IN JUST A MOMENT. SHE TOLD TODD BLANCHE. >> THAT SHE. >> LEARNED ABOUT HER FRIENDS. >> WITH. >> BENEFITS, JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S INVOLVEMENT WITH UNDERAGE GIRLS ONLY WHEN HE GOT ARRESTED. >> NEVER HAD ANY IDEA. >> BEFORE THAT. >> SHE ACTUALLY TOLD THIS LIE, THIS BLATANT LIE TO A. >> FEDERAL PROSECUTOR TO TODD. >> BLANCHE TOLD IT TO HIS FACE. AND HE ACCEPTED THIS. SHE SAID, I HAVE. >> NO NO MEMORY, NO ACTIVE ANYTHING. >> OF HAVING SEEN. >> ANYBODY THAT RESEMBLES A YOUNG A CHILD, LET’S CALL IT WHAT IT IS AT THAT HOUSE GIVING HIM A MASSAGE AT ALL. >> HOW ABOUT A 98.17 POUND. >> YEAR OLD GIRL? AT GHISLAINE MAXWELL’S CRIMINAL TRIAL? >> A WITNESS TESTIFIED. >> UNDER OATH UNDER THE PSEUDONYM OF KATE. THAT WITNESS WILL JOIN US HERE. >> IN A MOMENT. >> AT THE. >> TRIAL, SHE TESTIFIED. >> THAT SHE WAS 17 YEARS OLD WHEN SHE MET GHISLAINE MAXWELL, AND GHISLAINE MAXWELL SOON INTRODUCED HER TO HER FRIEND JEFFREY EPSTEIN. >> AND IN HER FIRST. >> ENCOUNTER WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN. >> GHISLAINE MAXWELL. >> ASKED HER TO MASSAGE. >> JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S. >> FEET AND. >> THEN HIS SHOULDER. AND THEN JEFFREY EPSTEIN GOT AN IMPORTANT PHONE CALL AND DISAPPEARED. A FEW WEEKS LATER, GHISLAINE. MAXWELL CALLED KATE AND. >> ASKED. >> HER TO COME TO EPSTEIN’S HOUSE. >> BECAUSE A MASSAGE. >> THERAPIST WHO WAS SUPPOSED TO SHOW UP HAD TO CANCEL, AND JEFFREY DESPERATELY NEEDED A MASSAGE AND THOUGHT THAT HER 17. YEAR OLD HANDS WERE STRONG ENOUGH. AS YOU LISTEN TO THIS. >> PASSAGE OF. >> THIS VICTIM’S TESTIMONY, THIS WITNESS’S. TESTIMONY UNDER OATH, TESTIMONY FROM THE TRIAL, REMEMBER THAT GHISLAINE MAXWELL TOLD TODD BLANCHE, I HAVE NO. >> MEMORY. >> NO ACT OF ANYTHING, OF HAVING SEEN ANYBODY THAT RESEMBLES A YOUNG A CHILD. >> LET’S CALL. >> IT WHAT. IT IS AT THAT HOUSE GIVING HIM A MASSAGE. >> AT ALL. QUESTION IF. >> ANY PHOTOGRAPHS. >> WHAT, IF. >> ANY PHOTOGRAPHS DID. >> YOU SEE. >> IN EPSTEIN’S HOUSE IN PALM BEACH? >> ANSWER. >> THERE WERE LOTS OF PHOTOGRAPHS OF YOUNG GIRLS. QUESTION. WHAT DO YOU REMEMBER ABOUT THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS? ANSWER I REMEMBER THEY WERE SHOCKING. QUESTION WERE THE YOUNG GIRLS CLOTHED OR UNCLOTHED IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS? ANSWER UNCLOTHED QUESTION WHERE DID YOU SEE THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS? IN EPSTEIN’S HOUSE IN PALM BEACH? ANSWER THEY WERE IN ALMOST EVERY ROOM. QUESTION. DID THERE COME A TIME THAT YOU WERE GIVEN CLOTHING TO WEAR WHEN YOU WERE STAYING AT EPSTEIN’S PALM BEACH HOUSE? ANSWER YES. QUESTION. WHAT WERE YOU GIVEN TO WEAR? ANSWER I WAS GIVEN A SCHOOLGIRL OUTFIT QUESTION. CAN YOU PLEASE DESCRIBE THE SCHOOLGIRL OUTFIT FOR THE JURY? ANSWER IT WAS A SHORT, A. SHORT PLEATED SKIRT, WHITE SOCKS, WHITE PANTIES AND A SHIRT. >> QUESTION. >> WHERE DID YOU FIND THE SCHOOLGIRL OUTFIT? ANSWER ON MY BED. QUESTION. WHAT, IF ANYTHING, DID GHISLAINE SAY? ANSWER. I ASKED HER WHAT. WAS HAPPENING WITH THE. THERE WERE CLOTHES IN MY ROOM. >> AND SHE SAID. >> I THOUGHT. IT WOULD. >> BE FUN. >> FOR. YOU TO TAKE JEFFREY. HIS TEA IN THIS OUTFIT. QUESTION DID YOU PUT ON THE SCHOOLGIRL OUTFIT? ANSWER YES. QUESTION. WHY DID YOU PUT ON THE SCHOOLGIRL OUTFIT? ANSWER I DIDN’T KNOW. I DIDN’T KNOW HOW TO SAY NO TO THAT. I WAS I DIDN’T KNOW ANYBODY IN FLORIDA. I’D NEVER BEEN TO PALM BEACH OR FLORIDA BEFORE. I HAD NO IDEA EVEN WHERE THE HOUSE WAS OR HOW, AND I WASN’T SURE IF I SAID NO, IF IF I WOULD HAVE TO LEAVE, OR WHAT KIND OF CONSEQUENCE. >> THERE MIGHT. >> BE FOR NOT DOING IT. SHE WAS YOUNG, LOOKING FOR 17. >> SHE WEIGHED ALL OF. >> 95 POUNDS. QUESTION. >> KATE. >> DO YOU REMEMBER THE FIRST TIME YOU SAW JEFFREY EPSTEIN NAKED? ANSWER YES. QUESTION. DO YOU REMEMBER WHO WAS STANDING NEXT TO YOU? ANSWER YES. QUESTION. WHO WAS STANDING NEXT TO YOU? ANSWER. GHISLAINE MAXWELL. QUESTION. HOW OLD WERE YOU? ANSWER 17. QUESTION CAN. >> YOU EXPLAIN TO THE. >> JURY WHY YOU REMEMBER THAT SO CLEARLY? ANSWER I REMEMBER IT SO CLEARLY BECAUSE I WAS. TERRIFIED AND FROZEN. GLENN MAXWELL LIED ABOUT ALL OF THAT. GHISLAINE MAXWELL LIED CONSTANTLY AND RELENTLESSLY FOR NINE HOURS TO TWO FEDERAL PROSECUTORS AND AN FBI AGENT, AND SHE WAS REWARDED FOR HER LIES. SHE WAS IMMEDIATELY. TRANSFERRED TO A PRISON CAMP CLOSER TO HER FAMILY IN. TEXAS THAT HAS BEEN CALLED A COUNTRY CLUB BY A FORMER FEDERAL PRISON OFFICIAL. >> TODD BLANCHE. >> ADMITTED IN HIS. RAMBLING AND USUALLY LOST. >> QUESTIONING THAT. >> THERE WAS NO PROSECUTORIAL MISSION FOR THOSE TWO DAYS IN FLORIDA. THAT FRIENDLY CONVERSATION THAT HE CALLED GREAT, HE ACTUALLY SAID, I DON’T HAVE A PLAN. I DIDN’T KNOW THAT I WAS COMING HERE UNTIL THIS WEEK. >> IT WAS TRUE THAT. >> TODD BLANCHE HAD NO. PROSECUTORIAL PLAN IN THAT ROOM. IT WAS TRUE THAT TODD. >> BLANCHE HAD NO. LEGITIMATE JUSTICE. >> DEPARTMENT PLAN OR REASON FOR BEING IN THAT ROOM. BUT THE TRUMP PLAN TO GET GHISLAINE MAXWELL TO SAY NICE THINGS ABOUT DONALD TRUMP AND TO PRAISE DONALD TRUMP WAS WHAT THOSE TWO DAYS IN FLORIDA WERE ALL ABOUT. THOSE TWO DAYS OF FRIENDLY CONVERSATION IN WHICH, AT THE END OF DAY ONE, AFTER GHISLAINE MAXWELL HAD ALREADY DELIVERED HER PRAISE OF DONALD TRUMP. >> TODD BLANCHE. >> COULD SAY EVERYTHING. >> WAS

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