Televised debate on UK immigration set to air involving government and political opponents

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1. Silly idea. Reform will come out looking good on the face of it because they don’t need workable policies. Just simple sounding ‘solutions’.

   This sort of thing is what Farage is good at.

2. ‘We need to talk about immigration.’

   DO WE EVER TALK ABOUT LITERALLY ANY FUCKING THING ELSE?!

3. Can’t wait to see labour get spit roasted by reform and conservatives. Always makes for good viewing watching labour squirm and I bet they even come out with the left hating them more because they try to keep up with reform. Absolute win win.

4. It’s obvious Farages Nazis will go with “fear of the other”. If you want to know what Farage will do next just look at the early Nazi party from the 30s

5. A bidding war, where whoever credibly promises the most deportations will take the election.

   How did we even get here? What went so wrong? How did Westminster think they could get away with doing this to us?

6. I’m not convinced this is a good idea, or that Trevor Philips can keep it running smoothly – this is the kind of debate that absolutely requires fact checking and proper challenges to prevent certain speakers just making ridiculous claims to stoke division and anger for cheap points with no real answers.

   Because it’s an extremely complex issue that can’t be meaningfully covered in 60 second attempts to land a sound-byte.

   Like asylum-hotels – the government doesn’t *want* to be using hotels as extra accommodation for an over-stretched system, but they also don’t want to be building extra capacity when the goal is to get those numbers down so they can just stop using the hotels entirely. It’s a stop-gap measure, because we have empty hotels, and building anything new would only waste more time and money (and take time to be available, and cause upheaval to no benefit).

   The failure is that the backlog has been allowed to grow so large in the first place, and it’s largely thanks to Brexit tearing up our agreements with the EU that made it easier to manage numbers (they were handled at the EU level, not just the UK) and to move people after their initial claim is rejected even if they’re awaiting an appeal. Not helped by cuts in government departments, further resources lost to Brexit etc.

   Because the simple truth is that the Tories and Reform are going to try to present themselves as the “solution” to problems that they themselves created – keep in mind that 99.9% of Reform politicians are former Tories, so they were elbow deep in delivering all of this shit in the first place, if they had solutions they should have been delivering them when they were in government.

   But how the heck are you supposed to get that level of detail in a TV debate format?

7. It’d be nice to see some actual rebuttals to the Reform line explaining *how* we’re in this situation, but I suspect all we’ll get is the usual airy platitudes.

8. I really hope they have fact checkers. Because too many of the politicians will take any opportunity to tell lies and half truths.

   And I hope the fact checkers shut the politicians down as soon as they tell lies. Better still, prerecord it and when they lie don’t broadcast that part. Just have an announcer saying “politician x lied” and then give the facts.

9. No thanks.

10. Can’t wait for everyone to just laugh at Labour as they try to say most of the people coming across the channel are women and children again…

11. Why???

12. Why? They talk about immigration day in day out on every TV channel that exists. Usually with representatives of those four exact parties (Liberal Democrats can be interchanged).

    If were gonna start having debates outside of election time it should be either on a topic that rarely gets brought up in parliament or politics live or newsnight etc, or involving people who would rarely share a platform with high up politicians. No point in doing this.

    I quite liked it, this was at least during election time, when Channel 4 had a debate specifically on climate change in 2019, when everything was dominated by Brexit deals and second referendums. I’m not suggesting that wasn’t important, but it was good to hear their stances on something else. There’s no point to an immigration debate though.

13. Liberal Democrats: “Hi guys, we exist BTW. Just in case you didn’t think we did or anything. Helllooooooo?”

14. Oh they don’t want to discuss the real fiasco, which is the pension system 

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