So much for that electoral non aggression pact eh?
Also, I sure the Lib Dems policy of working with other nations to achieve multilateral disarmament is an important issue in these local elections.
It’s like they can’t focus on the real problems. Self-defeating, stupid distractions, and ultimately a futile attempt at holding back the tides.
Thanks for bringing it to my attention labour, I’ll vote for a single issue like that.
I want to smoke cannabis legally.
They say jokes shouldn’t ‘punch down’ and surely the same applies here: Why are Labour ‘punching down’ at the Lib Dems when they should be punching up at the Tories? FFS.
Not a great move IMO. There’s long been a genuine need for a grown-up conversation about how to tackle drugs in society, because continually criminalising narcotics not only doesn’t stop them being used, but props up the criminal trade in them and helps propagate all the connected collateral damage. This is such a big issue that reducing it to ‘LibDems are being soft on drugs’ misses all of that just to score a few political points.
Hmmm… looks like Starmer’s latent right wing authoritarianism is raising it’s head again.
We all know that the Tories clutch at their pearls regarding drug policies but I think Labour should have kept quiet about the issues surrounding this whole debate. Really all are only showing their ignorance by jumping on prohibition band wagon in the face of mounting evidence against it.
I don’t like this advert. Not because of the content but because it goes against the electoral pact the parties have with each other.
The last thing anyone needs right now is for Labour and the Lib Dems to be fighting with each other. The priority needs to be getting the Tories out.
Why Labour decided to do this I’ve no idea, but I guess the advert wasn’t programmed for people like me to see.
Ahh, the new conservative if-you-can’t- beat-them-join-them party is making a noise again. One can disagree but no one can continue to claim that Labour is left or even a better choice.
Wealth redistribution, cost of living, stop corporate greed, end VIP fast lanes for economic elites throughout every walk of life, stop criminal exploitation of natural resources, increase social protections for the vulnerable, criminalise crooked government deals, ensure financial protection of the NHS… And we are just getting started. Perhaps legalising weed is not really a vital debate, and decriminalisation is anyway a pretty good idea.
I’d be curious to know of anyone had polled the Labour voting base for their attitude on drug reform
my hunch would be that as their support skews younger, they’d generally be for it, if you’d told me those leaflets were from the tories I’d have believed you!
just seems utterly tone deaf at a time when unity between labour and the lib dems is essential
for what it’s worth, I’m currently reasonably favorable of Starmer (Boris sets a low bar) but if this had come through my letterbox they’d have lost my vote, and I’d be voting for the lib dems instead (sadly no votes in my area for these elections though)
I just don’t get it.
None of these points (however you feel for/against) have anything remotely to do with the current local elections. It’s not like my parish council has a stash of nukes to deploy…
For example: I want a decent bin collection and green spaces kept nice by the local council. These would be much better points to push on.
Living in this country is so shit, we have to vote Labour to even have a chance at getting the tories out but Labour are also walking backwards instead of seeing the pros of legalisation, the tax from weed could really help people in this country as well as getting people out of prison, it’s a win win
Labour have to be this bad on purpose right. Controlled opposition
If the one on the left dropped through my door as an actual Lib Dem pamphlet, I would just think ‘fair. maybe you arent totally Tory-lite’.
Its a laughably pathetic attack ad.
Labour doing their best to never see power again I see.
What a woeful campaign.
How does this make them look any different to the Tories if they are making this the key points of their campaign. What a terrible look for the Labour party when there is so much else they could have focussed on.
Wonder if any Labour leadership staff are on here?
Are you guys purposefully out of touch? I’m more likely to vote Lib Dem now…
How about support decriminalisation, not get more archaic on drug use. What’s the logic? Genuine question.
Wow. I never thought I’d be tempted to vote Lib Dem but if that’s the kind of progressive platform they’re taking then I might have to reconsider who I vote for.
The fact that Labour are against this is just further evidence they’re red tories.
>The Lib Dems say they want want to take a public health approach to drug addiction, treating it as medical issue rather than criminal.
My voting priority has officially changed.
Greens and Lib Dems leading the way imo.
Decriminalisation is a vote winner ffs.
Labour shooting themselves in the ballot box again.
Why didn’t they go with “~~Bobby Newport~~ Boris Johnson never had a real job”?
The Lib Dems must be happy, this will increase their support.
I don’t know understand why some British people have a problem with decriminalisation of weed, when the UK is the biggest consumer of coke in the world.
I am guessing they had a 10 hour long meeting where they discussed “ok lads how do we lose young votes for no reason what-so-ever, without even gaining older votes” and decided to go with this
Damn it labour nows not the time to pick a fight with someone who isn’t the Conservatives
Next they’ll be labeling the lib dems as “liberals” or “socialists”
As a labour voter who’s vaping weed right now….I think I may have to rethink my loyalties.
Phew I’m so glad labour’s really going hard to try to steal 3 the last remaining lib dem voters in the country. Excellent strategy, kier is just great holding onto that LOTO seat.
Like if it goes to plan they can take all 13 LD seats bringing their total to still less than 2/3 of what the tories have.
Serious quesrion, but the narrative on cannabis has moved away from mental issues to, from my understanding , two points:
1. Money goes into gangs etc
2. The strength in unregulated
Both of these things are solved by selling via shops and taxing.
I really am at a loss in the UK as to why we arent taking hold of this tax generator. I understand Kier used to be involved with courts but surely its a win for younger voters and tax at this point.
Ridiculously backwards view, the “war on drugs” has been an utter failure
Article also mentions it comes as labour wants to ramp up authoritarian measures on things like climate protests.
Fuck labour, you are worthless to me now. Absolutely not voting for them this time. Onward to the Green party.
absolute scenes. outflanked from the left by the fucking lib dems of all people. jesus fucking christ.
i mean don’t get me wrong the libdems are also shitty neolibs, but i expect more from an allegedly left wing party.
Starmer seems like he would rather police resources, money and time be spent catching people for smoking a drug less harmful than alcohol, then those resources be used for dealing with sexual assult and theft.
Such a position could make him look sociopathic, like the tories, but I think he simply doesn’t understand, because he’s a clueless fool.
Or maybe I’m wrong and he is sociopathic.
This is what annoys me *so much* about Labour. They have absolutely no threat from Lib Dem, and could even stand shoulder to shoulder with them to take on the tories, yet here we are again – Labour makes a little progress, then just fucking eats itself by choosing to die on some pointless hill or dividing their own voters on issues most regular people don’t really prioritise. Frustrating to say the least.
Siri, show me a visual representation of “out of touch with voters”.
Oh boo hoo. Drugheads are frankly the most obnoxious people you’ll ever meet.
Last GE, Tory had 23% and Labour had 21% (31% didn’t vote).
Labour has made it’s political (and fiscal) bed with this attack, when cannabis has so much to offer, as other Nations have already recognised and embraced.
If Labour make 15% this GE, I’ll be surprised, whilst LibDem will surge from 11% to 20%+.
I’m assuming, of course, that between this and the Tory rot, that 31% will come down by at least 5%.
Labour isn’t running against the Tories, they’re running against the working class
1. Maintain a nuclear deterrent.
2. Multilateral negotiations towards reducing nuclear stockpiles globally, aiming for a future free from nuclear weapons.
3. Moving away from CASD (Continuous At Sea Deterrence) towards a cheaper alternative (still using submarines though).
Of these, I disagree with #3, but Labour is flat-out lying by claiming the LDs want to “get rid of the nukes”.
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So much for that electoral non aggression pact eh?
Also, I sure the Lib Dems policy of working with other nations to achieve multilateral disarmament is an important issue in these local elections.
It’s like they can’t focus on the real problems. Self-defeating, stupid distractions, and ultimately a futile attempt at holding back the tides.
Thanks for bringing it to my attention labour, I’ll vote for a single issue like that.
I want to smoke cannabis legally.
They say jokes shouldn’t ‘punch down’ and surely the same applies here: Why are Labour ‘punching down’ at the Lib Dems when they should be punching up at the Tories? FFS.
Not a great move IMO. There’s long been a genuine need for a grown-up conversation about how to tackle drugs in society, because continually criminalising narcotics not only doesn’t stop them being used, but props up the criminal trade in them and helps propagate all the connected collateral damage. This is such a big issue that reducing it to ‘LibDems are being soft on drugs’ misses all of that just to score a few political points.
Hmmm… looks like Starmer’s latent right wing authoritarianism is raising it’s head again.
We all know that the Tories clutch at their pearls regarding drug policies but I think Labour should have kept quiet about the issues surrounding this whole debate. Really all are only showing their ignorance by jumping on prohibition band wagon in the face of mounting evidence against it.
I don’t like this advert. Not because of the content but because it goes against the electoral pact the parties have with each other.
The last thing anyone needs right now is for Labour and the Lib Dems to be fighting with each other. The priority needs to be getting the Tories out.
Why Labour decided to do this I’ve no idea, but I guess the advert wasn’t programmed for people like me to see.
Ahh, the new conservative if-you-can’t- beat-them-join-them party is making a noise again. One can disagree but no one can continue to claim that Labour is left or even a better choice.
Wealth redistribution, cost of living, stop corporate greed, end VIP fast lanes for economic elites throughout every walk of life, stop criminal exploitation of natural resources, increase social protections for the vulnerable, criminalise crooked government deals, ensure financial protection of the NHS… And we are just getting started. Perhaps legalising weed is not really a vital debate, and decriminalisation is anyway a pretty good idea.
I’d be curious to know of anyone had polled the Labour voting base for their attitude on drug reform
my hunch would be that as their support skews younger, they’d generally be for it, if you’d told me those leaflets were from the tories I’d have believed you!
just seems utterly tone deaf at a time when unity between labour and the lib dems is essential
for what it’s worth, I’m currently reasonably favorable of Starmer (Boris sets a low bar) but if this had come through my letterbox they’d have lost my vote, and I’d be voting for the lib dems instead (sadly no votes in my area for these elections though)
I just don’t get it.
None of these points (however you feel for/against) have anything remotely to do with the current local elections. It’s not like my parish council has a stash of nukes to deploy…
For example: I want a decent bin collection and green spaces kept nice by the local council. These would be much better points to push on.
Living in this country is so shit, we have to vote Labour to even have a chance at getting the tories out but Labour are also walking backwards instead of seeing the pros of legalisation, the tax from weed could really help people in this country as well as getting people out of prison, it’s a win win
Labour have to be this bad on purpose right. Controlled opposition
If the one on the left dropped through my door as an actual Lib Dem pamphlet, I would just think ‘fair. maybe you arent totally Tory-lite’.
Its a laughably pathetic attack ad.
Labour doing their best to never see power again I see.
What a woeful campaign.
How does this make them look any different to the Tories if they are making this the key points of their campaign. What a terrible look for the Labour party when there is so much else they could have focussed on.
Wonder if any Labour leadership staff are on here?
Are you guys purposefully out of touch? I’m more likely to vote Lib Dem now…
How about support decriminalisation, not get more archaic on drug use. What’s the logic? Genuine question.
Wow. I never thought I’d be tempted to vote Lib Dem but if that’s the kind of progressive platform they’re taking then I might have to reconsider who I vote for.
The fact that Labour are against this is just further evidence they’re red tories.
>The Lib Dems say they want want to take a public health approach to drug addiction, treating it as medical issue rather than criminal.
My voting priority has officially changed.
Greens and Lib Dems leading the way imo.
Decriminalisation is a vote winner ffs.
Labour shooting themselves in the ballot box again.
Why didn’t they go with “~~Bobby Newport~~ Boris Johnson never had a real job”?
The Lib Dems must be happy, this will increase their support.
I don’t know understand why some British people have a problem with decriminalisation of weed, when the UK is the biggest consumer of coke in the world.
I am guessing they had a 10 hour long meeting where they discussed “ok lads how do we lose young votes for no reason what-so-ever, without even gaining older votes” and decided to go with this
Damn it labour nows not the time to pick a fight with someone who isn’t the Conservatives
Next they’ll be labeling the lib dems as “liberals” or “socialists”
As a labour voter who’s vaping weed right now….I think I may have to rethink my loyalties.
Phew I’m so glad labour’s really going hard to try to steal 3 the last remaining lib dem voters in the country. Excellent strategy, kier is just great holding onto that LOTO seat.
Like if it goes to plan they can take all 13 LD seats bringing their total to still less than 2/3 of what the tories have.
Serious quesrion, but the narrative on cannabis has moved away from mental issues to, from my understanding , two points:
1. Money goes into gangs etc
2. The strength in unregulated
Both of these things are solved by selling via shops and taxing.
I really am at a loss in the UK as to why we arent taking hold of this tax generator. I understand Kier used to be involved with courts but surely its a win for younger voters and tax at this point.
Ridiculously backwards view, the “war on drugs” has been an utter failure
Article also mentions it comes as labour wants to ramp up authoritarian measures on things like climate protests.
Fuck labour, you are worthless to me now. Absolutely not voting for them this time. Onward to the Green party.
absolute scenes. outflanked from the left by the fucking lib dems of all people. jesus fucking christ.
i mean don’t get me wrong the libdems are also shitty neolibs, but i expect more from an allegedly left wing party.
Starmer seems like he would rather police resources, money and time be spent catching people for smoking a drug less harmful than alcohol, then those resources be used for dealing with sexual assult and theft.
Such a position could make him look sociopathic, like the tories, but I think he simply doesn’t understand, because he’s a clueless fool.
Or maybe I’m wrong and he is sociopathic.
This is what annoys me *so much* about Labour. They have absolutely no threat from Lib Dem, and could even stand shoulder to shoulder with them to take on the tories, yet here we are again – Labour makes a little progress, then just fucking eats itself by choosing to die on some pointless hill or dividing their own voters on issues most regular people don’t really prioritise. Frustrating to say the least.
Siri, show me a visual representation of “out of touch with voters”.
Oh boo hoo. Drugheads are frankly the most obnoxious people you’ll ever meet.
Last GE, Tory had 23% and Labour had 21% (31% didn’t vote).
Labour has made it’s political (and fiscal) bed with this attack, when cannabis has so much to offer, as other Nations have already recognised and embraced.
If Labour make 15% this GE, I’ll be surprised, whilst LibDem will surge from 11% to 20%+.
I’m assuming, of course, that between this and the Tory rot, that 31% will come down by at least 5%.
Labour isn’t running against the Tories, they’re running against the working class
For ref on the nuclear weapons claims in the ad, [Lib Dem policy is here](https://www.libdems.org.uk/conference-spring-17-f11-nuclear-weapons?fbclid=IwAR2ZBvWg7gGlscl3cDGJBMO5Sz0iBLy8iwe0PYQRmVonN1gcn4CahbpHG-I). Highlights:
1. Maintain a nuclear deterrent.
2. Multilateral negotiations towards reducing nuclear stockpiles globally, aiming for a future free from nuclear weapons.
3. Moving away from CASD (Continuous At Sea Deterrence) towards a cheaper alternative (still using submarines though).
Of these, I disagree with #3, but Labour is flat-out lying by claiming the LDs want to “get rid of the nukes”.