[OC] Where Have Americans Chosen to Move In Recent Years? (And Why Democrats Must Build Housing)

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  2. I am from Idaho. The Californians moving here are not Democrats. We had a Dem governor when I was a kid and now we are the hardest leaning maga state in the nation.

  3. Folks love to bash red states but yet that is where everyone seems to be moving to

  4. As a Californian, I’ll give my insight of how crazy the demand and bidding is for housing here:

    My house (located in socal) gets on average +30 offers a month to buy my house in cash and way above market value.

    A family friend bought a house here for $2.7 million and in just 5 years that house is now worth $7.6 million. The equity that it built essentially paid off their mortgage in just 5 years

    California needs to build more housing to meet the demand and decrease the bidding wars that’s driving up the housing prices

  6. Oh good, this is much better than that other post that aggregated all of the data going back to the early 90s. Going back that far and aggregating it into one number per state to comment on modern housing needs is basically useless.

    Though the note about Democrats building housing feels really disconnected from the chart. Why not include something about that in the data viz?

  7. Not sure Housing is a problem that can be solved by democrats. Could be other things.

    But yes ffs make it easier to build housing

  8. Real ones saw the old version that wasn’t per capita

  9. Why are people moving to South Dakota and not North Dakota?

  10. Everyone in the other post was trying to discredit it because it wasn’t per capita, and here it is per capita…not much difference.

  12. Pandemic trends are different from post pandemic trends. It’ll be interesting to see in a few years what, for example 2022-2026 data looks like.

  13. Hon, most of the Californians moving to places like CO, IDaho, and SC aren’t democrats. :V

  14. Can you make a version of this that is normalized for the population of each state? In it’s current form, I believe that if a state has a low population, its coloration would be more strongly affected by a migration of 1000 people than a state with a large population would.

  15. Its basically impossible to build anything on Long Island. No one wants denser building. Its extremely hard to build anything in NYC since its basically all built to current zoning. There is very little support for new buildings. Go upstate and you can build here and there is think if you wanted to build 1,000 houses in a decent sized development people would go nuts and stop it. Plus the economics of NY are totally screwed up with the city and the wealthy suburbs. The taxes and regulations that the city and suburbs can pay make it very difficult for any true development anywhere else.

  17. I would be interested to see the last two years in comparison. Now that the huge migration to COVID has ended it would be interesting to see if the trend has changed at all.

  18. Is OP trying to imply that people are leaving blue states dunno lack of housing? As a TN resident who has welcomed tons of Californians, I can tell you they are leaving to escape the policies of those states. These folks I’ve met are as maga as you get. Many come here to start businesses. 

    Democrats need to stop playing culture wars and focus on solutions for families if they want to have success nationally.

  19. Looking at 2020-2024 period skews this data for moved due to political views and Covid-related job or location changes. I’m sure there are people from NY and CA moving to cheaper states but we may never find out what their share is. I’d be interested in seeing how this map looks for the last decade 2014-2024.

  20. Average American only cares about cheap housing and jobs.

    Caring about politics, nice weather and lots of unique things to do is for the privileged.

  21. Wait……people are moving TOO West Virginia ? Did I read that right?

  22. MA makes sense being so high for those leaving.

    We’re about to be parents and outside of the average house now at 700k in the state, daycare costs are #1 in the nation.

    In Boston our 3 quotes were 32-33k a year for 1 child. If we had twins, we’d be gone this spring.

    We will be leaving within the next 2 years. We aren’t rich and can’t afford it anymore. Need to not bleed for the rest of our lives

    All the states outside of LA are the highest COL. What the hell is going on in Louisiana?

  23. I bet remote work has a significant effect on this. Getting paid high COL pay and moving to low COL areas is something a lot of people took advantage of until 4% of employers (being the largest ones) started mandating RTO.

  24. I live in South Carolina and the population of New Yorkers here has exploded since Covid. There was a few years of people moving down here, buying properties sight unseen for 15% over asking because their salaries had so much purchasing power here. Traffic is a complete gridlock because we’ve not really been able to scale up the city’s infrastructure to handle the increase.

    I cannot afford to buy my parents starting home that they bought in 1988 for $89k, it’s now $820k. I’m in a well paying job for my area, but it’s not enough to buy a home.

    It’s sucks because we get priced out of our own neighborhoods, and while some areas are nice and very gentrified we can’t really benefit from it because we’re all having to commute an hour away and our salaries haven’t really gone up to match.

    Oh well, it’s life.

  25. People… move to Canada. Ya it’s cold and all that but a conservative here (for the most part) is relatively middle of the road. And we talk to each other. And debate fairly. And have cooler passports. And say sorry.

    Mostly… 🤣.

  26. I’d love to see the median age of people who are moving. Clearly affordable housing is a huge issue, but I also wonder if this is boomer retirees moving to warmer and more affordable areas. 

  27. When dealing with the sheer volume of people involved in this data, it is irresponsible to attribute only one cause, as individuals will have different reasons for moving. Arguments could be made as to what those reasons are, but they’re there.

  30. NIMBYs and Airbnb are screwing up housing in California. Politicians are deathly afraid to oppose them.

  32. Insane amounts of ignorance in these comments.

    Yes, there are technically more empty houses than homeless Americans.

    No, that is not relevant at all. The houses are mostly in the middle of nowhere.

    We need houses where the jobs are.

  33. That’s what happens when you don’t built housing, and let big corporations buy up housing and profit from them as if they were iPhones. Florida and Texas are a bubble that will eventually break as most of its growth is still suburban sprawl, and the suburban experiment has been shown to be short lived. Damn they are not even in the cheapest states to live now, shit is expensive in Texas and Florida too.

  34. COVID and remote works were the main forces of people GTFO the coastal states and looking for something more affordable

    I wonder if the trend will continue or people will move back for more opportunities.

  36. Maine checking in. The amount of people who moved from Massachusetts to Maine after Covid, and blew up our housing market, is actually insane.

  37. All of Kentuckys migration is around CVG international airport. A lot of warehouse and manufacturers and a lot more being built. Airport also has an Amazon Bezos checkpoint roadblock.

  38. The one that really throwing me off is south Carolina and Idio but really south Carolina. I am like why.

  39. Too expensive, too congested, too polluted, too much crime.

  40. It’s not just housing. It’s about the tax rate and what people get in return those taxes.

  42. This seems to me a little bit of “How To Lie with Statistics”. For example, in the tan state I own a home in, prices have gone up like 500% in 15 years. No wonder we have a negative growth number. And, although it’s completely partisan-but that is what the State of the Union is (Rucho v. Common Cause)–why should Democrats, assuming they ever gain power again, subsidize housing for people who will vote fascist in the next election cycle?

    We need to subsidize housing in established urban areas, take them back for luxury condo developers, rather than despoil more American open land–but that would hurt the GOP.

  43. I’m in Charleston. My home value has doubled since 2020. I’m moving because no one I like can afford to live here.

  44. It’s not just housing.

    Typically the combination of property, income and sales taxes are considerably higher in the “Exodus” states.

    Additionally alot of the immigration is retiring people moving. The retired people no longer have need if the infrastructure, good schools, good roads and public services. So they move to states with low or no income taxes and low property taxes.

  45. I’ll be that guy and say that it’s not the lack of housing that’s why people are fleeing blue states. California and New York are bleeding people because they’re overrun with bad policy that makes doing anything near impossible. That’s before we start talking about the tax rate. I lived in NY for a spell and the amount of money the government was taking from our paychecks was nuts. Both have been run by Democrat super majority for years, and what has that done for them? They’re both absolute shit holes and the only thing that could save NY is that it seems to go more and more Red every election.

    Democrats don’t need to build more houses, they need to stop implementing shitty policy.

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